Snow-mobiler kills attacking MOOSE with his GLOCK!

Having had two close encounters with moose in the past 9 months alone, the stay still and quiet and wait for them to leave method doesn't work much.
Elk hunting this year I was charged by a big bull. Saw him at about 40 yards coming straight for me, I had a round chambered and gun pointed at him instinctively when he stopped about 15 yards. I was pulling the trigger as he stopped, there wouldn't have been a nice convenient warning shot 90 degrees from him. As he stood there I put a few scrub pines between us, which wouldn't have done a thing. He stayed for several minutes pacing back and forth shaking his head and deciding if he should charge. I finally made myself look big and made noise and he trotted off. If you haven't been up close with a moose you have no idea how quickly they can cover ground.

This past week I had another encounter while turkey hunting. I was actually getting my call out to try for some coyotes when my buddy grabbed me by the shoulder as a bull trotted into the clearing in front of us. He stood for about 5 minutes false charging. We backed behind a large boulder, but he didn't leave until I again waved my shotgun in the air and made noises. We were both convinced that if we had been in the open he would have charged and we would have only had #4 shot to fend him off.

I've had similar experiences in the past with moose and bears. The point I'm getting at is that some animals really don't fear humans, so thinking that by you standing there everything is going to run off and leave you alone is a bad idea. Sometimes in the woods you have to appear to be too much of a hassle to mess with.

Putting the video up wouldn't be my choice based on the crazies out there that will threaten to kill a fellow human for hurting an animal. But saying he shouldn't have defended himself, or shouldn't have been carrying a gun, is ridiculous. This is exactly why you carry, as you never know what might happen. And driving off a trail around here in the deep snow is going to end badly.

If a coyote had charged him and he dropped it with his Glock everyone would be cheering his marksmanship. I'm not glad he had to shoot the moose, especially if it was Wyoming, because it means less tags for me to have a hope at drawing. But I don't fault him for shooting once it charged.
 
I saw nothing controversial in that video. Except leaving all that meat behind. Bullwinkle asked for it and got it. That's what my 10mm Glock is all about.
 
Originally Posted By: HPWHaving had two close encounters with moose in the past 9 months alone, the stay still and quiet and wait for them to leave method doesn't work much.
Elk hunting this year I was charged by a big bull. Saw him at about 40 yards coming straight for me, I had a round chambered and gun pointed at him instinctively when he stopped about 15 yards. I was pulling the trigger as he stopped, there wouldn't have been a nice convenient warning shot 90 degrees from him. As he stood there I put a few scrub pines between us, which wouldn't have done a thing. He stayed for several minutes pacing back and forth shaking his head and deciding if he should charge. I finally made myself look big and made noise and he trotted off. If you haven't been up close with a moose you have no idea how quickly they can cover ground.

This past week I had another encounter while turkey hunting. I was actually getting my call out to try for some coyotes when my buddy grabbed me by the shoulder as a bull trotted into the clearing in front of us. He stood for about 5 minutes false charging. We backed behind a large boulder, but he didn't leave until I again waved my shotgun in the air and made noises. We were both convinced that if we had been in the open he would have charged and we would have only had #4 shot to fend him off.

I've had similar experiences in the past with moose and bears. The point I'm getting at is that some animals really don't fear humans, so thinking that by you standing there everything is going to run off and leave you alone is a bad idea. Sometimes in the woods you have to appear to be too much of a hassle to mess with.

Putting the video up wouldn't be my choice based on the crazies out there that will threaten to kill a fellow human for hurting an animal. But saying he shouldn't have defended himself, or shouldn't have been carrying a gun, is ridiculous. This is exactly why you carry, as you never know what might happen. And driving off a trail around here in the deep snow is going to end badly.

If a coyote had charged him and he dropped it with his Glock everyone would be cheering his marksmanship. I'm not glad he had to shoot the moose, especially if it was Wyoming, because it means less tags for me to have a hope at drawing. But I don't fault him for shooting once it charged.

And you were out in the WILD right??

Think for a minute who's yard you were in!

WILD animals are WILD, never heard of anybody being charged by a WILD animal when they are 100's of yards away!

This guy was in the wrong place at the wrong time, unfortunately a Moose was left to rot because of a careless snowmobiler, snowmobiling in WILD country!
 
The bottom line here is you can not trust a moose... It is estimated that moose have killed more humans than all of World War One and Two combined. These creatures are opportunistic carnivores that commonly encroach urban areas preying on our young and elderly... It is a fact that some even hunt humans for sport and commonly take body parts as trophies...

Or maybe it is the other way around...
 
I am more concerned with guys on snowmobiles. Those dudes don't mess around, if I run across one on the trail I'm not taking any chances.
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For those of u that have never stumbled onto an aggressive moose you really don't understand the situation.
In late winter moose sometimes get aggressive! Its not uncommon for a cow moose to win a battle with a grizzly. And if you REALLY want a problem get a snow machine stuck in deep snow near an aggressive moose. . Not all snow machines have reverse. And moose will often defend a trail for a fair distance. Try bumping into one with 14 sled dogs in front.of you. . Unfortunately moose can be dumb enough, big enough, fast enough and mean enough that something is gonna die. You or it. I would bet lots that the party did something with it after they got out of the danger zone.
Ya, its sad. But I would have done the same thing and almost have a number of times.

Things are very different when you go from being the hunter to being hunted.
 
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Oh well, public forums. Can't keep those who are ignorant of what's what from runnin off at the key board
That moose should have been down in a willow patch anyway. Not up high where there's no feed. And from the look of the pasture they drove out into they weren't in anykind of great wilderness.
 
Originally Posted By: steve154There was nowhere for him to go around it. Driving down in to those woods, off trail, would be stupid and a guaranteed wreck on a fallen log, hidden hole, or just plain stuck in the deep snow. He is on a sled, not a tank. Looks to me like after the first charge he thought it was going to run and was giving it some encouragement to do so. If he had done the same thing out in the open I would agree that he could have avoided it. Not in the woods though. He was pretty close to being in the open and I bet he was thinking the moose was going to break out of there and they could then get around it. He miscalculated, but did nothing wrong.

I find it kind of goofy that the general community attitude around here is that it is cool to blast a poodle because it is in range and shouldn't be in the woods, but are outraged when a guy ventilates a moose that decides to stomp his guts out.



Excellent post.
Its fairly easy to tell those posters that have no experience in a similar situation. IMO their opinions flat don't count.
And I've seen moose attract a guy on a motorcycle ON the Richardson Highway. He was turning to go into the AF base and there were other vehicles in all lanes .
Those with no experience ought to shudup!! Especially an office worker from a huge city. If they ain't been there seen that.
 
Originally Posted By: gumboot458
That moose should have been down in a willow patch anyway. Not up high where there's no feed. And from the look of the pasture they drove out into they weren't in anykind of great wilderness.

i didn't see an elevation sign in the video. did you?

you can tell a great wilderness pasture from a great non wilderness pasture by watching that video?

Oh well, public forums. Can't keep those who are ignorant of what's what from runnin off at the key board
 
Gumtoots,
You are just being a mean poo poo head. So sad you can say such mean things to people you don't even know.
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If I had been there I'd slap him myself. (After he put down the Glock)

This moron could have easily driven around or he had no business on a sled
 
A stand of conifers like that don't have any moose food in it. Obviously the snow go trail was on an established trail probly a tractor road between fields. . If u know what your looking at its pretty easy to see what's there.
 
Colorado moose attack injures 2 women

By Ed Payne, CNN

updated 7:31 AM EDT, Tue May 20, 2014(CNN)

-- A couple of Colorado women were recuperating after a moose attack northwest of Denver over the weekend.

They were walking their dogs in the city of Black Hawk when the encounter took place, the Gilpin County Sheriff's Office said.

"All of a sudden, I looked up and he was looking right at me and grunted and then charged," Jackqueline Boron told CNN affiliate KDVR. "I tried to get up, and he kept coming back and stomping on me."

"When I fell back he got me here," Boron said, pointing to her arm. "Then, when I curled up forward, that's when he got me on the head."

The attack left Boron with staples in the back of her head, 15 stitches on her leg and four broken ribs, KDVR reported.

Ellen Marie Divis was also stomped on by the moose, but was able to get away to find help.

"I heard 'help me, help me, help me,'" neighbor Chris Hockley told KDVR. "This lady comes running up to her house and she's covered in blood."

The sheriff's office issued a warning after the attack.

"If you encounter a moose: walk away from it -- DO NOT walk towards it; moose are agitated by dogs; make sure your dog is on a leash, control the dog(s) and walk away," the warning said.

Lesson learned, Boron said -- don't mess with a moose.
 
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Originally Posted By: Infidel 762Colorado moose attack injures 2 women

By Ed Payne, CNN

updated 7:31 AM EDT, Tue May 20, 2014(CNN)

-- A couple of Colorado women were recuperating after a moose attack northwest of Denver over the weekend.

The sheriff's office issued a warning after the attack.

"If you encounter a moose: walk away from it -- DO NOT walk towards it; moose are agitated by dogs; make sure your dog is on a leash, control the dog(s) and walk away," the warning said.

Lesson learned, Boron said -- don't mess with a moose - unless you have Glock Perfection back up.


Fixed it for the crowd...
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Stupid imbeciles. They should have known better than to do something as reckless as walking their dogs in the city. Hopefully PETA will sue them for harassing the poor moose.
 
The truly disgusting thing about this video has been watching people who are supposed to be responsible sportsmen and women tear each other down. I makes me sick the Anti's have won. We cannot even support each other over something so simple. This has been a good way of life enjoy it while we can.

I hope that guy and his party made it home safe after a very eventful day. I hope the meat was salvaged and made it to a local charity.
 
Based on the video itself and nothing more, it sure looks like a bad shoot, BUT, I'll recognize that it's not the entire story.

A lot of context that we don't have. While I don't have much experience with Moose, I have plenty of other experiences with animals that "normally wouldn't, but can occasionally try to kill you".

If the guy is on those trails a lot and runs into a lot of moose, he was likely complacent. You'll note he didn't have his gun drawn until AFTER the initial burst by the Moose. He likely assumed that if he pressured it a bit, it'd flee faster. Who knows, maybe the guy was "bumping" this thing for a mile, trying to get it off the trail and it just kept walking DOWN the trail instead of off? Or maybe the guy just assumed incorrectly that if he pressured it a bit, it would leave the trail, possibly like 100 times he has encountered moose before.

I'm also one that carries pretty much everywhere, especially when outdoors or a long way from resources. One thing I generally assume - when there are Moose present, there are probably things that EAT MOOSE too.

Frankly, I'd have given it more space compared to the video, but considering that the guy might have been trying to push it off of the trail for a few miles before it finally stalled here, I can't say I wouldn't get frustrated and applied more pressure myself. I watched a couple times, I'm not 100% sure that there was much room to really go around. The worst case scenario, in my book, would be that I got bogged and sunk in snow trying to go around, and now I'm stranded and immobilized right next to the d@mn thing.

I didn't count shots, but when it went stiff legged and collapsed, it's dead. Maybe the rear snowmobiler is his son, and he lead him safely away and returned to finish it off, which we DIDN'T see? Maybe he only carries a partially loaded magazine (I often only have 5 in a 7rnd or 10 in a 15rnd mag) and he was out?

I'll also admit READILY that were I in his shoes, it would have gotten shot before the first attack. Whether it's a bluff charge or not, if I'm doing my part to give you space and you charge, I'm going to fire. If that would NOT have been a bluff charge, it would have been a video of a moose killing a snowmobiler, with a loaded Glock in his pocket. No such thing as second chances in my book - if you make the threat, you gotta own the consequences. That single bluff charge with the hoof strike could have killed him. I know I would have retreated from that a he11 of a lot more than he did.

I'm also prone to believe that if the video showed him shooting it when it first charged, rather than it retreating and turning back around. It looks like the Moose is retreating, when he draws his Glock and shoots it. Maybe it's turning around and coming back before the first shot, maybe not. All I know is that guys state of mind, after having a large animal just paw at him, likely wasn't too concerned about whether it was "looking back while retreating" or "turning around for another go at him".

All that piled together means I'm not going to pass judgment. If the guy had rode around maybe it would have left him alone. If the guy got stuck trying to ride around, maybe the moose smooshed him into a pile of guts. If the guy hadn't rode up so close maybe it would have wandered away. If the moose would have left the path instead of bluff charging, maybe the guy wouldn't have drawn his gun. If the guys mom didn't let his dad get in her pants he wouldn't have ever been there...If If's and But's were candy and nuts, it'd be Christmas every day. He was there. Whether he accidentally created the situation or not, his life was in danger. Don't have to feel good about it, but I'm not sure I'd feel too bad about it.
 
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