Stereo-Mono Issues

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Could it be to better align their tongue to manipulate the air chamber and vocal chords that would allow better control of the pitch of the howl?



I suspect your guess is as good as mine. LOL I'm just a layman, not a sound engineer or electronic engineer. I just thought that howling at the moon might make sense from a sound standpoint. You know, kind of like dropping the pebble in the middle of the pond rather than at the edge? Will that howl cover more ground than one that was directed to his front? Might make more sense than howling one direction and then turning 180 deg and howling the other way, which is what I do when howling in an attempt to make it appear that there is more than one coyote in the area. Same direction just different distances.
 
Dentra,

The last few posts are kind of off topic so I will discuss this to the best of my ability one more time. If you would like to continue discussing this interesting topic you should move it to another thread because I do not want us to be accused of hi-jacking this thread. I’m sure others have their own thoughts and insight to this and may be better qualified then I to discuss this. I know that I’m not qualified to be considered an expert in the physical science of animal’s vocalizations. Or if you want you can PM me and I will gladly give you my thoughts for what they are worth.

When howling at the moon what direction is the coyote howling? How is sound propagation different in the vertical plane as opposed to the horizontal plane?

I would imagine that the Coyote vocalization coming from a Coyotes mouth would not travel further when howled into vertical dimension (at the moon). Does sound travel further when you face a speaker into the vertical plane? The sound may propagate more evenly do to the fact that the sound would have the higher frequencies negated to some degree in horizontal plane because they are howling in the vertical plane. This can be demonstrated by walking slightly off axis of a tweeter, higher frequency sounds do not like to propagate in a nice polar fashion as do the lower frequency sounds. The sound would be off-axis in all directions except for into the air. With this fact you have off-axis attenuation to contend with in the entire horizontal radial plane, although you may have some backscatter from atmospheric conditions or tree cover to help in this situation. Looking at a coyotes mouth the opening is not perfectly round maybe sound is propagating from the sides of the mouth or is it possibly it is taking the path of least resistance which would be straight out.

I would love to see an entire polar response of Coyotes vocalizations coming out of their mouth not recorded and played back through a speaker. This would possibly give as some insight on this subject.

You may be right as to why they howl at the moon, but with the above statements I still tend to think it is to better align their tongue to manipulate the air chamber and vocal chords that would allow better control of the pitch of the howl. My deductive reasoning could be based on the wrong premise again I’m certainly not an expert on the physical science of animal’s vocalizations or their innate thought process. I don't really know if I am able to add any more useful information to this subject.

Regards,
Steve
 
A coyote howling with a more upward approach would allow that sound to travel in more directions than say when one is threat barking or yapping in a particular direction,most of the time in your direction from either a sound you have made or by the visual of the coyote seeing something he doesn't like in that direction.The mean average of a "lone howl" as reported in Marc bekoffs book on coyotes is 1260 Hz, I'm not a music or sound man so what ever that number is worth. I know studies have shown with the aid of sound amplification, that coyotes could be heard responding for miles after a coyote/coyotes had done a lone howl or group howls and people spaced out on mile ranged specific areas, like a chain reaction.

As far as hearing, a coyotes has great hearing and can pin point sounds to within ft of where that sound is coming from and I have had them do that from within 100's of yards away, off a sound played once to over a half mile away from a sound played 2-3 times at 30 seconds of sound spaced a few minutes apart, too howls and pup in distress at 15 seconds of sound and come in from 1/2 mile or more away on a dead run to the location of that sound.

I don't try to get technical with sound as that isn't my strong suit and I have nothing to sell myself, I know what sounds work and when they work to my advantage and like to have a mix of sounds to choose from given the coyotes age,sex and time of year I'm calling. Surround sound is great to my human ears and having clear sounds gives a caller confidence, I don't think anyone can say it makes a noticeable differance when calling coyotes though, as many 1,000's where called in with mouth calls and far less than ideal sound source before the advent of digital recordings and remote control callers.

The advantages of these callers are many fold and have been discussed, but will mouth calls work you bet and I still use them mixed with the Big Country, and non of it was stereo and I know some that can voice howl better than any recorded sound and it has a lot of volume and works extremely well, but there is a limit to ones vocal cords and how many times you want to use them in that fashion in a given day.

Will stereo be an advantage in calling? I'm betting if it sounds good to the user then it will build confidance and that in itself will be of help, and who knows with sounds what may happen, I know when I run both of my speakers on the big country I have a lot of volume to me that is a big advanatge and what I want from a caller and that it is clear helps my confidance.

I feel in pressured areas and working adc it is as important of what sound comes out of the speaker/speakers as anything else as far as mono/stereo goes. If I have a choice sure I want a stereo machine because I can hear the differance in mono/stereo sounds, when switched on my radio, it sounds better to my ears in stereo, goes back to the confidance thing again.

Loud,clear and realistic are my major focus on the sounds I use, I don't get into khz and all the other issues that sound guy's want to split hairs with.As long as it all calls coyotes on a consistant basis and the coyotes react to it as a positive reaction and I kill those coyotes I'm a happy caller.
 


I have a few sounds mixed up for the kids tonight and a chainsaw coming out of the horn and screams out of the cone sounds pretty darn good. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif


Happy Halloween!
 
Good callers bunch of chickens. I've hunted over the foxpro and it is a good caller. I've hunted over it and my Minaska that is in the same price range and my Minaska is much louder and clearer. I'm tired of seeing call makers defending their product when something in the same price range comes along that is louder or sounds better.Take it to the next level for close to the same price or get the hell out. No disrespect to anyone but ya'll act like a bunch of school girls and that is everyone invloved.
 
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I wrote that last night after dealing with customers all day and 2-18packs with the boys. Heck I didn't even remember writing it until I just read it. I think I need to go calling.
 
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