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sharkathmi
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Ritch, can a guy buy a suppressor via the internet?
Or do they have to be a face to face kinda deal?
For some reason, I thought it would have to be face to face.
Thanks,
Mark
Or do they have to be a face to face kinda deal?
For some reason, I thought it would have to be face to face.
Thanks,
Mark
psdavidson
New member
Originally Posted By: sharkathmiRitch, can a guy buy a suppressor via the internet?
Or do they have to be a face to face kinda deal?
For some reason, I thought it would have to be face to face.
Thanks,
Mark after you get your atf stamp I believe you have to have it sent to a class 3 dealer in your area for pick up.
you need to do paperwork for the atf.
it involves getting the sheriff to sign off on it or creating a gun trust. then waiting to get your stamp ($200). which can be up to 6months or longer.
Or do they have to be a face to face kinda deal?
For some reason, I thought it would have to be face to face.
Thanks,
Mark after you get your atf stamp I believe you have to have it sent to a class 3 dealer in your area for pick up.
you need to do paperwork for the atf.
it involves getting the sheriff to sign off on it or creating a gun trust. then waiting to get your stamp ($200). which can be up to 6months or longer.
sharkathmi
New member
Originally Posted By: psdavidsonOriginally Posted By: sharkathmiRitch, can a guy buy a suppressor via the internet?
Or do they have to be a face to face kinda deal?
For some reason, I thought it would have to be face to face.
Thanks,
Mark after you get your atf stamp I believe you have to have it sent to a class 3 dealer in your area for pick up.
you need to do paperwork for the atf.
it involves getting the sheriff to sign off on it or creating a gun trust. then waiting to get your stamp ($200). which can be up to 6months or longer.
You will not get a stamp until after you have purchased the suppressor, have a serial number assigned to your form 4, had the CLEO sign your form 4 and then mail the form 4 to ATF. That is when they do their background on you and if you pass, then you get the stamp affixed to the form 4. To my knowledge they just don't mail them stamps out as there is a signature across them after they are stuck to the form 4.
I guess if I paid for the can, had the SN assigned to the form 4 by the dealer, had it sent to me, I fill it out, have it signed by CLEO, return it to the dealer who will send it in to BATF, they affix the stamp to it and return it to the Class III dealer, we would be pretty much good to go at that point. I guess my question for the dealer is, at that point would you just mail it (the can) out to the owner? Or do you require a FTF pick up? I guess if you are advertising via the internet you can mail it.....or have it sent to another Class III dealer who would do the FTF?
Confusing, that is why I'm asking I guess.
Or do they have to be a face to face kinda deal?
For some reason, I thought it would have to be face to face.
Thanks,
Mark after you get your atf stamp I believe you have to have it sent to a class 3 dealer in your area for pick up.
you need to do paperwork for the atf.
it involves getting the sheriff to sign off on it or creating a gun trust. then waiting to get your stamp ($200). which can be up to 6months or longer.
You will not get a stamp until after you have purchased the suppressor, have a serial number assigned to your form 4, had the CLEO sign your form 4 and then mail the form 4 to ATF. That is when they do their background on you and if you pass, then you get the stamp affixed to the form 4. To my knowledge they just don't mail them stamps out as there is a signature across them after they are stuck to the form 4.
I guess if I paid for the can, had the SN assigned to the form 4 by the dealer, had it sent to me, I fill it out, have it signed by CLEO, return it to the dealer who will send it in to BATF, they affix the stamp to it and return it to the Class III dealer, we would be pretty much good to go at that point. I guess my question for the dealer is, at that point would you just mail it (the can) out to the owner? Or do you require a FTF pick up? I guess if you are advertising via the internet you can mail it.....or have it sent to another Class III dealer who would do the FTF?
Confusing, that is why I'm asking I guess.
I want one. I just bought a new AR, but didn't want to drop $1100 for the suppressor right now.
This is the guy that put my gun together and that I will be getting a suppressor from:
Chuck Ross
Ross Precision Gunworks
Chuck@rossgunworks.com
www.rossgunworks.com
469-628-6340
This is the guy that put my gun together and that I will be getting a suppressor from:
Chuck Ross
Ross Precision Gunworks
Chuck@rossgunworks.com
www.rossgunworks.com
469-628-6340
trukreltrog
New member
Originally Posted By: sharkathmiOriginally Posted By: psdavidsonOriginally Posted By: sharkathmiRitch, can a guy buy a suppressor via the internet?
Or do they have to be a face to face kinda deal?
For some reason, I thought it would have to be face to face.
Thanks,
Mark after you get your atf stamp I believe you have to have it sent to a class 3 dealer in your area for pick up.
you need to do paperwork for the atf.
it involves getting the sheriff to sign off on it or creating a gun trust. then waiting to get your stamp ($200). which can be up to 6months or longer.
You will not get a stamp until after you have purchased the suppressor, have a serial number assigned to your form 4, had the CLEO sign your form 4 and then mail the form 4 to ATF. That is when they do their background on you and if you pass, then you get the stamp affixed to the form 4. To my knowledge they just don't mail them stamps out as there is a signature across them after they are stuck to the form 4.
I guess if I paid for the can, had the SN assigned to the form 4 by the dealer, had it sent to me, I fill it out, have it signed by CLEO, return it to the dealer who will send it in to BATF, they affix the stamp to it and return it to the Class III dealer, we would be pretty much good to go at that point. I guess my question for the dealer is, at that point would you just mail it (the can) out to the owner? Or do you require a FTF pick up? I guess if you are advertising via the internet you can mail it.....or have it sent to another Class III dealer who would do the FTF?
Confusing, that is why I'm asking I guess.
Best to find a dealer that is close to you. Makes the process easier.
You pay for the can.
The dealer orders it, gets it via form 3.
Dealer holds on to the can until it is approved.
You go pick-up the form 4's, or have them sent to you.
Have the Sheriff sign, fingerprints, pics, or go the trust route.
You send it to the ATF with your $200.
Then you wait 2-6 months, depending on if you get the slow examiner, or the efficient examiner. Me, I got the slow one.
Then you pick it up from the dealer after it is approved. I don't know if they can ship it to you?
Kind of oversimplified. But we don't have a shortage of good dealers in Oregon,,,
Or do they have to be a face to face kinda deal?
For some reason, I thought it would have to be face to face.
Thanks,
Mark after you get your atf stamp I believe you have to have it sent to a class 3 dealer in your area for pick up.
you need to do paperwork for the atf.
it involves getting the sheriff to sign off on it or creating a gun trust. then waiting to get your stamp ($200). which can be up to 6months or longer.
You will not get a stamp until after you have purchased the suppressor, have a serial number assigned to your form 4, had the CLEO sign your form 4 and then mail the form 4 to ATF. That is when they do their background on you and if you pass, then you get the stamp affixed to the form 4. To my knowledge they just don't mail them stamps out as there is a signature across them after they are stuck to the form 4.
I guess if I paid for the can, had the SN assigned to the form 4 by the dealer, had it sent to me, I fill it out, have it signed by CLEO, return it to the dealer who will send it in to BATF, they affix the stamp to it and return it to the Class III dealer, we would be pretty much good to go at that point. I guess my question for the dealer is, at that point would you just mail it (the can) out to the owner? Or do you require a FTF pick up? I guess if you are advertising via the internet you can mail it.....or have it sent to another Class III dealer who would do the FTF?
Confusing, that is why I'm asking I guess.
Best to find a dealer that is close to you. Makes the process easier.
You pay for the can.
The dealer orders it, gets it via form 3.
Dealer holds on to the can until it is approved.
You go pick-up the form 4's, or have them sent to you.
Have the Sheriff sign, fingerprints, pics, or go the trust route.
You send it to the ATF with your $200.
Then you wait 2-6 months, depending on if you get the slow examiner, or the efficient examiner. Me, I got the slow one.
Then you pick it up from the dealer after it is approved. I don't know if they can ship it to you?
Kind of oversimplified. But we don't have a shortage of good dealers in Oregon,,,
trukreltrog
New member
By the way, here's another place to order from. A lot of people seem to rave about him,,,
http://www.major-malfunction.com/
http://www.major-malfunction.com/
JoeBobOutfitters
New member
Major Malfunction is supposed to be pretty good and I know several people who have ordered from them.
Griffan Armament
I just ordered a 22LR Checkmate QD and a 223 M4SD (attaches to a standard A2 flashhider!)suppressor from these guys:
These guys have great pricing (both cans for $700 package deal) and are good to work with. They are snipers by trade, and really use their products and others to their fullest extent. They're a big up and coming company I think. Always coming out with new lines of suppressors as they tweak designs and get things better.
I'm debating right now whether to go with my trust route, or LLC. I'm creating a new LLC here shortly to seperate "JoeBob's" from my other businesses which are currently lumped under my other LLC and may just use that LLC paperwork and have the business "own" them.
Griffan Armament
I just ordered a 22LR Checkmate QD and a 223 M4SD (attaches to a standard A2 flashhider!)suppressor from these guys:
These guys have great pricing (both cans for $700 package deal) and are good to work with. They are snipers by trade, and really use their products and others to their fullest extent. They're a big up and coming company I think. Always coming out with new lines of suppressors as they tweak designs and get things better.
I'm debating right now whether to go with my trust route, or LLC. I'm creating a new LLC here shortly to seperate "JoeBob's" from my other businesses which are currently lumped under my other LLC and may just use that LLC paperwork and have the business "own" them.
bigsky_songdogs
Active member
What's this gun trust you guys mentioned? Is the process the same if you are an FFL? Since they have your fingerprints etc already
sendit223
Well-known member
This is NOT legal advice.
A trust (revokable living trust) is a method of acquiring a suppressor which is used primarily by folks living in areas with unfriendly CLEOs. Believe it or not, there are some sheriffs that won't sign your form 3 or 'just don't get around to it.'
Somebody figured out that a trust could own a suppressor and that you could be the beneficiary (or some other technical term) of that trust to use the suppressor. The trust can't be fingerprinted, so that step can't be followed.
Any Class 3 dealer should be able to explain it better than I'm doing, or for more info, start reading on this forum:
http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/
A trust (revokable living trust) is a method of acquiring a suppressor which is used primarily by folks living in areas with unfriendly CLEOs. Believe it or not, there are some sheriffs that won't sign your form 3 or 'just don't get around to it.'
Somebody figured out that a trust could own a suppressor and that you could be the beneficiary (or some other technical term) of that trust to use the suppressor. The trust can't be fingerprinted, so that step can't be followed.
Any Class 3 dealer should be able to explain it better than I'm doing, or for more info, start reading on this forum:
http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/
JoeBobOutfitters
New member
Originally Posted By: sendit223This is NOT legal advice.
A trust (revokable living trust) is a method of acquiring a suppressor which is used primarily by folks living in areas with unfriendly CLEOs. Believe it or not, there are some sheriffs that won't sign your form 3 or 'just don't get around to it.'
Somebody figured out that a trust could own a suppressor and that you could be the beneficiary (or some other technical term) of that trust to use the suppressor. The trust can't be fingerprinted, so that step can't be followed.
Any Class 3 dealer should be able to explain it better than I'm doing, or for more info, start reading on this forum:
http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/
It also is much quicker apparently (this is my first class III purchase) to go with an LLC/trust rather than individual. You also don't need to get fingerprinted, or have local LEO to sign off on it. It's also better to legally transfer the NFA items if something were to happen to you if someone else is a beneficiary of the Trust/Owner of the LLC. Otherwise, an heir would need to do the Class III paperwork + another transfer fee. I have fingerprints on file because of military/CCW permit, and a local LEO that will sign off on it, but the expedited paperwork and easier transfers later are a plus.
A trust (revokable living trust) is a method of acquiring a suppressor which is used primarily by folks living in areas with unfriendly CLEOs. Believe it or not, there are some sheriffs that won't sign your form 3 or 'just don't get around to it.'
Somebody figured out that a trust could own a suppressor and that you could be the beneficiary (or some other technical term) of that trust to use the suppressor. The trust can't be fingerprinted, so that step can't be followed.
Any Class 3 dealer should be able to explain it better than I'm doing, or for more info, start reading on this forum:
http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/
It also is much quicker apparently (this is my first class III purchase) to go with an LLC/trust rather than individual. You also don't need to get fingerprinted, or have local LEO to sign off on it. It's also better to legally transfer the NFA items if something were to happen to you if someone else is a beneficiary of the Trust/Owner of the LLC. Otherwise, an heir would need to do the Class III paperwork + another transfer fee. I have fingerprints on file because of military/CCW permit, and a local LEO that will sign off on it, but the expedited paperwork and easier transfers later are a plus.
Brittdog
Member
I have an AA M41K that I use on an M4 style rifle. Unfortunatly in the state of Washington I can own it, but it is a misdemeaner crime to use it. Leagaly I have to take it out of state to use it.
The can is great, makes a 14.5" 223/556 hearing safe with no poi shift. But If I had it to do over I would have stepped up for the M42K. I didn't know if it was worth the coin or not, now I know it was. Buy once cry once.
ETA: Even though my current sheriff is signing off, I went with the trust. It was very easy.
The can is great, makes a 14.5" 223/556 hearing safe with no poi shift. But If I had it to do over I would have stepped up for the M42K. I didn't know if it was worth the coin or not, now I know it was. Buy once cry once.
ETA: Even though my current sheriff is signing off, I went with the trust. It was very easy.
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sharkathmi
New member
Quote:Even though my current sheriff is signing off, I went with the trust. It was very easy.
Do you need to see an attorney to do the trust?
Or just fill out a bunch of paperwork?
Do you need to see an attorney to do the trust?
Or just fill out a bunch of paperwork?
Retooferab
New member
It's also better to legally transfer the NFA items if something were to happen to you if someone else is a beneficiary of the Trust/Owner of the LLC. Otherwise, an heir would need to do the Class III paperwork + another transfer fee. I have fingerprints on file because of military/CCW permit, and a local LEO that will sign off on it, but the expedited paperwork and easier transfers later are a plus.[/quote]
Your heirs can transfer without the tax being paid twice. Also just because you have an NFA firearm it doesn't make getting your next one any quicker. I have three and am waiting on the stamp for three more. I have three rimfire suppressors and am waiting on my first centerfire suppressor. I bought a Thunderbeast Arms 30P1 centerfire and have three Norrell rimfire suppressors.
You can google NFA handbook and find all the rules of getting and owning one.
Your heirs can transfer without the tax being paid twice. Also just because you have an NFA firearm it doesn't make getting your next one any quicker. I have three and am waiting on the stamp for three more. I have three rimfire suppressors and am waiting on my first centerfire suppressor. I bought a Thunderbeast Arms 30P1 centerfire and have three Norrell rimfire suppressors.
You can google NFA handbook and find all the rules of getting and owning one.
psdavidson
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guntrustlawyer.com
trukreltrog
New member
Originally Posted By: sharkathmiQuote:Even though my current sheriff is signing off, I went with the trust. It was very easy.
Do you need to see an attorney to do the trust?
Or just fill out a bunch of paperwork?
A lot of people have formed their trusts with the Quicken Willmaker program. Seems to work. If I went the trust route, I'd probably find a knowledgeable lawyer to do it.
The main advantage with a trust is: anyone who is listed on the trust can take and use the suppressor. You don't have to be with them. The other way, you have to be with them.
I've never felt the need to form a trust, since my sheriff is usually pretty good at signing. But then my transfers are running around 5 months now, too.
Do you need to see an attorney to do the trust?
Or just fill out a bunch of paperwork?
A lot of people have formed their trusts with the Quicken Willmaker program. Seems to work. If I went the trust route, I'd probably find a knowledgeable lawyer to do it.
The main advantage with a trust is: anyone who is listed on the trust can take and use the suppressor. You don't have to be with them. The other way, you have to be with them.
I've never felt the need to form a trust, since my sheriff is usually pretty good at signing. But then my transfers are running around 5 months now, too.