Did you miss the part were I said"I'll have to drag a little boot though"???It's in the last sentence.I think that varmint ret is"a little too busy"for me.I'm normally shootin at running game and I think that ret. has a little to much going on.I got my shooting bench just right out the back door and bought a 26"hb fluted 17fireball.I thought it might be kinda neat shooting swingers on a breezy day.But I put a 10x leupold on that gun and it aint come off since.Would you be interested in a sraight 10x Leupold? has and ao and I beleive they call it their cpc ret.But I'm not for sure.