Tentative 60-Day Iran Ceasefire Deal Reached, Pending Trump’s Approval

shoots100 said:
Ten years ago someone was sitting in front of the TV wringing his hands while watching MSNBC waiting for Adam Schiff to unveil the irrefutable proof of Trump's Russian collusion.
Are you still waiting ?
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I was a hard-core Trump supporter through the whole Russia-gate saga. I defended him through his entire first term, Jan. 6, and well into his second term—until recently.

You can deny it if you want, but his base has fractured in a major way. The people walking away aren't lifelong Democrats—they're the people who spent years defending him.

My principles didn't change. My expectations didn't change. I voted for America First, fiscal restraint, accountability, and keeping our word. When I started seeing repeated contradictions, pathological lies, and policies that didn't match the campaign, I stopped making excuses.

That's the difference between an opponent and a former supporter. Your opponents expect you to fail. Your supporters expect you to keep your word.

Stu Farish said:
townhall.com

We Now Know What's Inside the Iran Agreement

Detailed summary of the Iran-US memorandum of understanding on military and nuclear agreements.
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So... after 110 days of war, we're basically back where we were on February 27.

Except now Iran gets a pathway to a $300 billion reconstruction fund, sanctions relief, resumed oil sales, and a route back into the global economy if the deal holds.

The regime survived. The opposition is crushed. Their missile program isn't addressed in this memorandum, and the hard questions about their nuclear program were kicked into another 60 days of negotiations. Meanwhile, Iran just demonstrated it can close one of the world's most important shipping lanes and bring the global economy to the table.

It's pretty easy to see who walked away with the leverage—and who, for all practical purposes, ended up surrendering at the negotiating table.

I can see how someone managed to bankrupt a casino.
 
Widow maker 223 said:
Giving them way too much. The chosen ones will screw it up anyhow.
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Probably. But my bigger issue isn’t what Iran or the chosen one does—it’s what we agreed to. And just think—if dragging this out for a few months in the straight gets them this much, how much more will we be willing to give away if they decide to drag the next round out even longer? It’s a dangerous precedent.
 
Infidel 762 said:
Probably. But my bigger issue isn’t what Iran or the chosen one does—it’s what we agreed to. And just think—if dragging this out for a few months in the straight gets them this much, how much more will we be willing to give away if they decide to drag the next round out even longer? It’s a dangerous precedent.
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I thought the same thing
 
DAA said:
I may be in situation normal, just confused. But this isn't a "deal" is it? It's a memorandum of understanding. Giving 60 days to negotiate an actual agreement/deal. Which, given how things have gone so far, seems like a helluva long way away from a deal. Whether good, or bad for us. I haven't seen confirmed details of the memorandum. Just unsubstantiated rumors and idiotic memes. Myself, I have no idea what is actually on the table. The rumors make it sound like a resounding strategic loss for us though. But I doubt a single detail has been ironed out and agreed to yet. And I won't be surprised if 60-something days from now it's "war on" again.

- DAA
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Sometimes a loss isn't a bad thing in the end, thats my spin ;) The good? perhaps our economies can begin the path toward normalization between our nations. If we can just start doing business with them I think that is the true way to influence them.

If 6 months ago this MOU was seen it would be an unimaginable outcome to the conflict. It would have been as if they demonstrated a nuke actually going off. Perhaps the worst outcome is the lack of what we are capable of doing as a military that has been laid bare to the entire world. Iran doesn't need a nuke. they can threaten to close the strait of hormuz OR launch a few drones or even a few missiles from inside some obscure place in Iran and the Lloyds of london will refuse to insure any ships passage through the strait. We have younger more hard line leaders in place, the new grand leader we have killed his dad and his family. His attitude toward us can't be good!

Iran is going to get sanctions removed! that wasn't on the table 6 months ago,
Iran has effective control of the Strait
Iran will be getting money released right away, This will likely be in the form of a forgiveable loan from say qatar, that we end up paying qatar back for. for example, that way they can say its not coming from us
Iran may get as much as $300 billion of their assets unfrozen and given to them
Iran can export its oil.
Iran got us to compel israel in writing to stop attacking lebanon and to give back the territory they took
Iran got us in writing to say that we will cease to try to meddle in their governance and respect them as a soverign.
Iran got us to expand a reported half of our entire stock of a certain type of missile
What am I forgetting, I am sure there is more

US got and only got a promise not to get a nuke, Which obama had with their first agreement. which BTW the neocons lied to us about that. the JCPOA as its called did have some benefits to the world because it allowed inspections and other things to check on their program

Thats the long way of saying we LOST the conflict. The american people suffered financially with much higher costs to fill up and canceled flights and vacations. In the end I think the supply chains, and supply shocks to the average american were about to get so severe Trump had no choice but to fold. There was about to be physical shortages of oil, shit was about to hit the fan if this dragged on. So the plug had to get pulled. Iran got an unthinkable outcome, I hate being right but I was against the war from the beginning. the outcome is worse on paper than I had imagined. the future may get better if we ever learn to get along with Iran.
 
Much of that list is incorrect. Simply not true.

yes, people are claiming that's what it does but it isn't. Just a couple of them:

Iran has effective control of the Strait - false
Iran will be getting money released right away, This will likely be in the form of a forgiveable loan from say qatar, that we end up paying qatar back for. for example, that way they can say its not coming from us - false


There is so much damned propaganda being spread it's incredible & the fact that people simply believe it blows my mind
 
I read the whole thing. Not read stories about it. Just read the MOU - at least the version that was made public. I'm thinking Steve has it pretty correct.

- DAA
 
I am not anti trump, I voted for him 3 times proudly. but trump 2.0 has been a massive disappointment. This started last summer when he forced out Elon and Doge. Doge could have cleaned total house, but the ant pile he was kicking meant most of the republicans were sent fleeing in the process, can't have that.

we don't live in the same times as we once did. Drones and asymmetric warfare has changed how battles are fought. So the strait apparently isn't that navigable from the Oman side. Its means shipping traffic is forced to the Iranian side probably because the water is shallow. oh I did forget one thing. Iran and Oman are supposed to jointly decide in the future if tolls will be charged and how to run the traffic of the strait moving forward after this MOU is fully implemented. (my opinion is this is probably a good idea because Iran and Oman will have ownership in the strait functioning as it should and will police it from problems)

its only for now that the strait is fully open. Something that is a concern is that in the future a rebel group may and likely will attempt to cause havoc in the strait. We let the Genie out of the bottle, That is why I alluded to our lack of ability to control things militarily.

Maybe we need a Ukraine thread next, That conflict has been a total disaster, its also not been what you're told, the reasons behind the conflict aren't discussed in regular media, and worse yet. WE caused it.

maybe the deal is worse than we know. I was once part of a settlement in a lawsuit, The attorneys suggested a "side letter" this is where additional non public terms are agreed to. maybe the iran deal has one as well.
 
I think it's just more BS and they're just trying to pull the wool over the peoples eyes again. This cluster of a situation is pretty unpopular and the midterm election cycle is coming up soon. I won't be surprised when the war resumes after the midterms.

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
 
Yup, no surprise here.
www.yahoo.com

US-Iran talks to begin Sunday in Switzerland but Tehran closes the strait over Lebanon fighting

Iran dealt two quick blows to the interim agreement with the United States on Saturday, angered by Israel's continued attacks in Lebanon, saying it had closed the Strait of Hormuz and announcing that ...
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Iran dealt two quick blows to the interim agreement with the United States on Saturday, angered by Israel's continued attacks in Lebanon, saying it had closed ...
 
It's getting old. We keep saying the Strait is open. Iran keeps saying it's closed. It's pretty obvious who's calling the shots in the Strait. Call it "control" or call it something else—the outcome is the same.

What a lot of people aren't talking about is Trump's comment at the G7 that the Strategic Petroleum Reserve would only last about four weeks. That should've gotten a lot more attention than it did.

The other thing is this: Iran has shown time and again that it's willing to take hits at home to keep backing its proxies. The U.S. doesn't have that track record. History shows we'll back our partners until our interests change, then they're pretty much on their own. Israel has been the obvious exception.

Whether people like hearing it or not, that's been the pattern.
 
Infidel 762 said:
It's getting old. We keep saying the Strait is open. Iran keeps saying it's closed. It's pretty obvious who's calling the shots in the Strait. Call it "control" or call it something else—the outcome is the same.

What a lot of people aren't talking about is Trump's comment at the G7 that the Strategic Petroleum Reserve would only last about four weeks. That should've gotten a lot more attention than it did.

The other thing is this: Iran has shown time and again that it's willing to take hits at home to keep backing its proxies. The U.S. doesn't have that track record. History shows we'll back our partners until our interests change, then they're pretty much on their own. Israel has been the obvious exception.

Whether people like hearing it or not, that's been the pattern.
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If its not open in 4 weeks the blind will begin to see and it wont be what they want to see.
 
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