The cause of bullet (SPLASH) as many call it?

Originally Posted By: ChupathingyOriginally Posted By: CoyoteKiller85Are 100 grain bullets a little to much?


Nope


Chupa
But they aint that fur friendly in 243 are they?
 
Actually more so. If we are talking about a projectile not designed for varmints? When you step up in caliber for thin skinned game, you don't want a frangible projectile. Even though there are projectiles in a 6mm diameter that go as short as 60-70gr's, those projectiles will be MOVING from a .243. Projectile construction, speed, and RPM's are what cause splashes. Those are the 3 variables involved in the equation. Larger calibers require a heavier bullets to limit fragmentaion on such a violent level. That 100gr projectile will most likely cause a caliber sized entry and slightly larger than caliber exit if you stay off bone. Hit bone and all bets are off. Now take the short for caliber bullets, you don't have to hit bone to cause a splash, a simple bad angle or ultra high velocities can cause the bullet to fragment violently and cause a splash.

Clear as mud?

Chupa
 
Also, keep in mind that I'm speaking in percentages. There is no magic bullet. I'm merely saying that on average you will see less pelt damage on the whole.


Chupa
 
Originally Posted By: Chupathingy Actually more so. If we are talking about a projectile not designed for varmints? When you step up in caliber for thin skinned game, you don't want a frangible projectile. Even though there are projectiles in a 6mm diameter that go as short as 60-70gr's, those projectiles will be MOVING from a .243. Projectile construction, speed, and RPM's are what cause splashes. Those are the 3 variables involved in the equation. Larger calibers require a heavier bullets to limit fragmentaion on such a violent level. That 100gr projectile will most likely cause a caliber sized entry and slightly larger than caliber exit if you stay off bone. Hit bone and all bets are off. Now take the short for caliber bullets, you don't have to hit bone to cause a splash, a simple bad angle or ultra high velocities can cause the bullet to fragment violently and cause a splash.

Clear as mud?

Chupa
Yes
 
Although the 100grn rounds will probably work OK in a .243 I would actually suggest 80 or 75gr bullets in a .243win for no or minimal splashes and minimal pelt damage. I have only used a .243win for hunting coyotes with a centerfire rifle. These bullets are closer to the ideal weight for a .243 because you get better trajectory, and you can pick up the ammo fairly easily and not too expensively from Midway or Natchez Shooting supply. Look at the the federal blue box 80gr. soft points and the Hornady 70gr. HP's are I think the other one I buy when on sale for coyotes. They both have performed well for me, and I would use the soft points for deer as well at least inside 300yrds.

As for splashes, I think Chupa has the jist of what I believe on here already mentioned. If you get a light enough bullet and spin it fast enough it will just break apart from the centrifugal forces. I hear stories about how back in the 1960's or 70's there used to be a lot of problems with .223/5.56, AR's especially, having bullets tumble or tear apart, and from what I understand, it was solved with proper twist rates. Also, I have seen what .243win gamekings do at 80yrds on a deer. It eviscerated everything including the bullet. I butchered the whole deer with a little help, and I only found a few pieces of bullet jacket out of 3 bullets I put in the boiler maker! It also took a few minutes for the deer to realize he was dead. even though he had almost all his lung tissue, like I said, EVISCERATED!!! I still can't believe how long it took, but that is a different discussion entirely.
 
Splash is when you get a 1"-2" entrance hole, the damage area is about the size of a walnut with a hull on. thats all it does, lookes like a crater.
 
This one's my latest kill and the first ever to get a "splash" on. About 210 yards, quartering towards me, shot with a 22-250 Ackley running 75 grain A-Max at 3515. As I said in the original thread, it looks like the bullet skidded across the shoulder blade and disintegrated, never to get through the vitals, just almost to them. He still ran about 100 yards and crawled under a log.
Amazing tenacity.

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I'm thinking that I'm on the verge of taxing the bullet to it's limit. Maybe if my impact was a couple inches more forward, he would have crumpled on the spot, but at this point they don't give me the warm and fuzzys. I've got some 75 VLDs coming, but since we're up to our straddle in snow and drifts, it may be awhile till I can get load work done and give 'em a test.
 
After several dogs shot with both the Vmax's and Noslers I would most definately give the nod to Noslers. I believe they are a much better constructed bullet and have ALOT less (splash) when they impact.

I really wish I could try the Nosler Hunting bullet in my 250 as I think they would perform REALLY REALLY well but they dont make them in .22 cal.

I may try the the Berger 52's or maybe the Barnes TSX 50's next.
 
Originally Posted By: mikeygMy OCD kicking in=splash at 1k does not equal splash at 1000 yards.


I am completely lost on this statement, what are you talking about?


Chupa
 
Chupa,just a bad attempt at humor is all.I watched 2muchgun link to youtube and noticed the guy is wanting to make a 1000 yard shot and is asked what turd of a scope for this 1k shot...My first thought was they aren't the same.You had said something about OCD and it just popped in to my head again.I was always the kid in class to disrupt everything.Thats all just poking fun.
 
Mxracer I'm not sure what Nosler bullet you are reffering to but the 50 and 55 grain Nosler Ballistic tip bullets come in .224.
 
Originally Posted By: mikeygChupa,just a bad attempt at humor is all.I watched 2muchgun link to youtube and noticed the guy is wanting to make a 1000 yard shot and is asked what turd of a scope for this 1k shot...My first thought was they aren't the same.You had said something about OCD and it just popped in to my head again.I was always the kid in class to disrupt everything.Thats all just poking fun.

No No bro, no offense taken. I knew it had something to do in reference to me because of the drops in the statement. I just didn't understand is all. I deal out jokes, but I can take'm as well
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Chupa
 
Originally Posted By: CammoWill a FMJ .223 BT drop a yote ?

Search engine dude!!!!

Short answer.... yes. But you are gonna have alot of runners, a LOT of runners. Very little "Hydrostatic" shock involved with ball ammo. Not to mention it's illegal in most places.


Chupa
 
I have found that the factory loaded vmax will splash on shots that are at extreme angles, hit shoulders, and tall grass/weeds also plays a big part, but that is to be expected with a bullet that fragments easily.
 
I have used the 55 tsx in federal premium loaded ammo on coyotes with good results, full pass through but only quarter size exit hole, and it was DRT in all instances.
 


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