Stealth1959
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My hats off to you Leon! I'd call your last post a knock out blow to the lil liberal.
The MOST RIDUCULOUS thing I've ever read!!!
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Rim_Runner
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My hats off to you Leon! I'd call your last post a knock out blow to the lil liberal.
Your wrong on 3 counts there. First what Leon has posted is a large pile of interesting facts that may or may not be related. What he fails to do is tie it all together into something solid that proves that Bill Clinton was more corrupt that the Bush administration. Even he admits that the connections are weak or can’t be proven. I could build as good a case against the Bush administration by listing his connections to the Bin Laden family. Do I think that those connections in any way prove that George Bush has anything to do with 9/11? No. Does all of Leon’s assorted information prove that Clinton was corrupt? I don’t see it. As far as me being little, you can tell that thru a keyboard? I don’t think so. As far as me being a lib, what do you base that on? Is your definition of a lib anyone that doesn’t agree with you? Do you know the difference between a lib and a moderate?
My hats off to you Leon! I'd call your last post a knock out blow to the lil liberal.
Your wrong on 3 counts there. First what Leon has posted is a large pile of interesting facts that may or may not be related. What he fails to do is tie it all together into something solid that proves that Bill Clinton was more corrupt that the Bush administration. Even he admits that the connections are weak or can’t be proven. I could build as good a case against the Bush administration by listing his connections to the Bin Laden family. Do I think that those connections in any way prove that George Bush has anything to do with 9/11? No. Does all of Leon’s assorted information prove that Clinton was corrupt? I don’t see it. As far as me being little, you can tell that thru a keyboard? I don’t think so. As far as me being a lib, what do you base that on? Is your definition of a lib anyone that doesn’t agree with you? Do you know the difference between a lib and a moderate?
YoteSackbuster
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* Edited with Conclusions from David Shippers, Chief Congressional
Clinton Impeachment Hearing Investigator.{refer to note at the end.}]
Can somebody kindly explain these "coincidences" . . . ?
Vince Foster
Former Whitehouse counselor & colleague of Hillary Clinton.
Died of a gunshot wound to the head.
Ruled a suicide.
[Note: Vince Foster's Son, died on the eve of the last Democratic National
Convention, while driving a brand new car, his brakes failed and his car
struck a concrete bridge abutment. The FBI Report Concluded that his Brakes
had been tampered with, the lines cut! Also, Mrs.Foster his Mother, had not
waited too long after the death of Vince, and remarried - the Chief Supreme Court
Judge in Arkansas, who happened to be the last one appointed by Clinton just
prior to being sworn in as President. It was known that Mrs. Foster caught Hillary
in an Affair with Vince in the Oval Office, not long before his death. After she too
was threatened by the Clintons not to disclose this to the press. She did at one
press conference in front of dignitaries. It was not long after that her "son" died!]
Ed Willey
Clinton fund raiser.
Found dead, deep in the woods of Virginia in November 1993.
Gunshot wound to the head.
Ruled a suicide.
The very same day, Willey's wife claimed Clinton had groped her in the oval office.
Kathy Ferguson
Found dead with a gunshot wound to the head.
Ruled a suicide.
She had several packed suitcases as if ready to go somewhere
. Kathy was a witness for Paula Jones.
Bill Sherton
State trooper. He was the fiancé of Kathy Ferguson (above).
Found at her graveside with a gunshot wound to the head.
Ruled a suicide.
Ron Brown
Secretary of Commerce at the White House.
Reportedly killed in a plane crash.
Post-mortem: 'hole in the skull, looks like a gunshot wound'.
[ Forensic Report indicated 9MM Nato round was recovered !
That Brown was shot from the back of the Head, Mob Style -
Indicates that he was shot first prior to the crash or he was alive
and shot at the scene by a "govt rescuer". Brown was on the
way to The Impeachment Hearing Office with Documents in a
locked brief case, The case was on the Plane according to
manifest records BUT Never Recovered at the Crash Site - and
the file evidence was never recovered. Info verbally given to me
by David Shippers, Chief Investigator, Congress, Clinton Impeach
ment Office ]
Suzanne Coleman
Reportedly had an affair with Clinton whilst an Attorney General.
Died of a gunshot wound to the head.
Ruled a suicide.
She was pregnant at the time of her death.
Mary Mahoney
Former Whitehouse intern.
Murdered July 1997 at a coffee shop in Georgetown.
Allegedly about to go public about sexual harassment
in the Whitehouse.
Paul Tulley
Democratic National Committee Political Director.
Found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock CA, Sept 1992.
Described by Clinton as a dear and trusted friend.
Jerry Parks
Head of Clinton security
Gunned down at a quiet intersection in Little Rock, CA.
He was allegedly building a dossier on Clinton.
Threatened to reveal secret information.
After his death the dossier mysteriously vanished from his house.
C. Victor Raiser II & Montgomery Raiser
Major players in Clinton fund raising campaign.
Died in a private plane crash in 1992.
Charles Meissner
Assistant secretary at the Department of Commerce.
Died in a small plane crash.
Dr. Stanley Heard
Treated Clintons' mother, stepfather & brother.
Died in a small plane crash.
His attorney, Steve Dickson, was also killed.
Hershell Friday
Clinton fund raiser.
Died when his private jet exploded.
Gandy Baugh
Attorney for Clinton's friend, Dan Lassater.
Fell to his death by falling from a tall building in Jan 1994.
[It was known, he was afraid of heights, then why was he on
the roof?
Paula Grober
Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf.
Died in a car-crash.
Barbra Wise
Worked closely with Ron Brown (See above).
Her nude body was locked in her Department of Commerce office.
[ Shipper's mentioned, the office was found locked from the inside!
Body was found Monday morning as other employees came into work!]
Stan Huggins
Investigated Madison Guarantee Scandal.
Committed suicide before the report was published.
John Parnell
Previously investigated the 'Whitewater' scandal.
Jumped to his death from his Virginia apartment balcony.
He was investigating the Madison Guarantee Scandal.
James McDougall
Clinton's convicted 'Whitewater' partner.
Susan McDougall's Husband. She was held in
contempt of court for refusing to answer questions.
He Died of a heart attack whilst in solitary confinement.
James Wilson
Found hanging.
Ruled a suicide.
He was linked to the 'Whitewater' case.
James Bunch
Died of a gunshot wound to the head.
Ruled a suicide.
It was reported Bunch had a 'black book' of influential figures who
visited prostitutes in Arkansas, Clinton's constituency.
Florence Martin
Accountant sub-contractor for the CIA
Also related to the Mena Airport drug smuggling case.
Died of three gunshot wounds.
Mena is a small airport in Arkansas, 160 miles from Little Rock.
[Also according to Shipper's, was the Drug Smuggling base of
operations. Also where the two young bys, "witnesses" were found
dead on the tracks.]
Danny Casolaro
Investigative reporter, reporting on the Mena Airport case.
Slit his wrists during the investigation.
Ruled a suicide.
Kevin Ives & Don Henry
Youngsters, rumored to have stumbled upon the smuggling
operation at Mena Airport.
Both bodies were found dead on railway track, near the airport.
Coroner's verdict: Death due to falling asleep on track. [Shipper's
mentioned the boy's had witnessed the President , then Gov.
implicated in the smuggling operation. Body's decapitated, theory
is they were killed else where and then placed on the tracks! ]
Paul Wilcher
Investigating corruption at Mena Airport along with Danny Casolaro (above).
Found dead on the toilet at his Washington DC apartment.
3 weeks earlier he produced an investigative report on the case.
All of the following were connected with the Mena Airport investigation:
Keith Conley
Died in a motor cycle accident
Keith McMaskie
Stabbed 113 times in Nov 1988
Gregory Collins
Died from a gunshot wound in Jan 1989
Jeff Rhodes
Shot, mutilated, and found burned in trash dump.
James Milan
Found decapitated.
Coroner's verdict: Natural causes
[Totally physically impossible, Milan was murdered then
the killer decapitated the body, perhaps the same killer,
or killers that murdered the boys in Mena. AK.!]
Jordan Kettleson
Found stabbed in his pick up truck June 1990
Richard Winters
Killed in a robbery in July 1989
[Shipper's speculation, Robbery was a set-up
to cover his murder !]
The following Clinton bodyguards have all died of Unnatural causes:
[ NOTE: Four of Clinton's Bodyguards were Transferred to BATF, Just prior to WACO.
They are the Ones that Died During the First Shoot Out in the Raid, the ones who were
shot on the roof of the building - from inside the window. Forensic Reports indicate they
were murdered, by other agents. Other's who were Military, and on the WACO raid, died
by "Drowning" in a shallow river crossing, while member of DELTA FORCE during Special Forces Training Exercises, they were in excellent health and expert swimmers. and others
died when the experimental Marine VTOL Aircraft crashed, killing all on board when the
plane nose dived into the ground this past year. ]
Major Willie S Barkley Jr
Capt. Scott Reynolds
Sgt Brian Hanley
Sgt. Tim Sabel
Maj. Gen. William Densberger
Col. Robert Kelly
Spec. Gary Rhodes
Steve Willis
Robert Williams
Conway LeBieu
Todd McKeehan.
Provided by RussGranataReports
http://www.codoh.com/granata/russ.html
[Editors Note: Also, there were 17 high ranking Generals and Admirals who
while on their way to Washington to Arrest Clinton on Treason, as per the
Constitution, their small military plane was shot down by a ground to air
stinger missile. that happened the same time the Federal Building was blown
up in Oklahoma. - Yet if had received very brief, local newspaper coverage.]
--------------------------------
[Disclosure Title 17, The use of the above material is allowed for research and educational purposes. U.C.C.1-207 ]
[ Edited by: Mike Balog, National Director, Press Operations, Patriot Broadcasting Network.
Note: Comments in [ ], in red, underlined were verbally confirmed to me by David Shippers,
Chief Congressional Investigator for the Clinton Impeachment Proceedings. He was Interviewed in
Montpelier, Vermont during the Spring of 2000.[The Video Tape of his Speech to the Washington
County Republican Club, Dinner, is available only from, the editor. contact by t=_self]uaicvtmb@together.net]
Clinton Impeachment Hearing Investigator.{refer to note at the end.}]
Can somebody kindly explain these "coincidences" . . . ?
Vince Foster
Former Whitehouse counselor & colleague of Hillary Clinton.
Died of a gunshot wound to the head.
Ruled a suicide.
[Note: Vince Foster's Son, died on the eve of the last Democratic National
Convention, while driving a brand new car, his brakes failed and his car
struck a concrete bridge abutment. The FBI Report Concluded that his Brakes
had been tampered with, the lines cut! Also, Mrs.Foster his Mother, had not
waited too long after the death of Vince, and remarried - the Chief Supreme Court
Judge in Arkansas, who happened to be the last one appointed by Clinton just
prior to being sworn in as President. It was known that Mrs. Foster caught Hillary
in an Affair with Vince in the Oval Office, not long before his death. After she too
was threatened by the Clintons not to disclose this to the press. She did at one
press conference in front of dignitaries. It was not long after that her "son" died!]
Ed Willey
Clinton fund raiser.
Found dead, deep in the woods of Virginia in November 1993.
Gunshot wound to the head.
Ruled a suicide.
The very same day, Willey's wife claimed Clinton had groped her in the oval office.
Kathy Ferguson
Found dead with a gunshot wound to the head.
Ruled a suicide.
She had several packed suitcases as if ready to go somewhere
. Kathy was a witness for Paula Jones.
Bill Sherton
State trooper. He was the fiancé of Kathy Ferguson (above).
Found at her graveside with a gunshot wound to the head.
Ruled a suicide.
Ron Brown
Secretary of Commerce at the White House.
Reportedly killed in a plane crash.
Post-mortem: 'hole in the skull, looks like a gunshot wound'.
[ Forensic Report indicated 9MM Nato round was recovered !
That Brown was shot from the back of the Head, Mob Style -
Indicates that he was shot first prior to the crash or he was alive
and shot at the scene by a "govt rescuer". Brown was on the
way to The Impeachment Hearing Office with Documents in a
locked brief case, The case was on the Plane according to
manifest records BUT Never Recovered at the Crash Site - and
the file evidence was never recovered. Info verbally given to me
by David Shippers, Chief Investigator, Congress, Clinton Impeach
ment Office ]
Suzanne Coleman
Reportedly had an affair with Clinton whilst an Attorney General.
Died of a gunshot wound to the head.
Ruled a suicide.
She was pregnant at the time of her death.
Mary Mahoney
Former Whitehouse intern.
Murdered July 1997 at a coffee shop in Georgetown.
Allegedly about to go public about sexual harassment
in the Whitehouse.
Paul Tulley
Democratic National Committee Political Director.
Found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock CA, Sept 1992.
Described by Clinton as a dear and trusted friend.
Jerry Parks
Head of Clinton security
Gunned down at a quiet intersection in Little Rock, CA.
He was allegedly building a dossier on Clinton.
Threatened to reveal secret information.
After his death the dossier mysteriously vanished from his house.
C. Victor Raiser II & Montgomery Raiser
Major players in Clinton fund raising campaign.
Died in a private plane crash in 1992.
Charles Meissner
Assistant secretary at the Department of Commerce.
Died in a small plane crash.
Dr. Stanley Heard
Treated Clintons' mother, stepfather & brother.
Died in a small plane crash.
His attorney, Steve Dickson, was also killed.
Hershell Friday
Clinton fund raiser.
Died when his private jet exploded.
Gandy Baugh
Attorney for Clinton's friend, Dan Lassater.
Fell to his death by falling from a tall building in Jan 1994.
[It was known, he was afraid of heights, then why was he on
the roof?
Paula Grober
Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf.
Died in a car-crash.
Barbra Wise
Worked closely with Ron Brown (See above).
Her nude body was locked in her Department of Commerce office.
[ Shipper's mentioned, the office was found locked from the inside!
Body was found Monday morning as other employees came into work!]
Stan Huggins
Investigated Madison Guarantee Scandal.
Committed suicide before the report was published.
John Parnell
Previously investigated the 'Whitewater' scandal.
Jumped to his death from his Virginia apartment balcony.
He was investigating the Madison Guarantee Scandal.
James McDougall
Clinton's convicted 'Whitewater' partner.
Susan McDougall's Husband. She was held in
contempt of court for refusing to answer questions.
He Died of a heart attack whilst in solitary confinement.
James Wilson
Found hanging.
Ruled a suicide.
He was linked to the 'Whitewater' case.
James Bunch
Died of a gunshot wound to the head.
Ruled a suicide.
It was reported Bunch had a 'black book' of influential figures who
visited prostitutes in Arkansas, Clinton's constituency.
Florence Martin
Accountant sub-contractor for the CIA
Also related to the Mena Airport drug smuggling case.
Died of three gunshot wounds.
Mena is a small airport in Arkansas, 160 miles from Little Rock.
[Also according to Shipper's, was the Drug Smuggling base of
operations. Also where the two young bys, "witnesses" were found
dead on the tracks.]
Danny Casolaro
Investigative reporter, reporting on the Mena Airport case.
Slit his wrists during the investigation.
Ruled a suicide.
Kevin Ives & Don Henry
Youngsters, rumored to have stumbled upon the smuggling
operation at Mena Airport.
Both bodies were found dead on railway track, near the airport.
Coroner's verdict: Death due to falling asleep on track. [Shipper's
mentioned the boy's had witnessed the President , then Gov.
implicated in the smuggling operation. Body's decapitated, theory
is they were killed else where and then placed on the tracks! ]
Paul Wilcher
Investigating corruption at Mena Airport along with Danny Casolaro (above).
Found dead on the toilet at his Washington DC apartment.
3 weeks earlier he produced an investigative report on the case.
All of the following were connected with the Mena Airport investigation:
Keith Conley
Died in a motor cycle accident
Keith McMaskie
Stabbed 113 times in Nov 1988
Gregory Collins
Died from a gunshot wound in Jan 1989
Jeff Rhodes
Shot, mutilated, and found burned in trash dump.
James Milan
Found decapitated.
Coroner's verdict: Natural causes
[Totally physically impossible, Milan was murdered then
the killer decapitated the body, perhaps the same killer,
or killers that murdered the boys in Mena. AK.!]
Jordan Kettleson
Found stabbed in his pick up truck June 1990
Richard Winters
Killed in a robbery in July 1989
[Shipper's speculation, Robbery was a set-up
to cover his murder !]
The following Clinton bodyguards have all died of Unnatural causes:
[ NOTE: Four of Clinton's Bodyguards were Transferred to BATF, Just prior to WACO.
They are the Ones that Died During the First Shoot Out in the Raid, the ones who were
shot on the roof of the building - from inside the window. Forensic Reports indicate they
were murdered, by other agents. Other's who were Military, and on the WACO raid, died
by "Drowning" in a shallow river crossing, while member of DELTA FORCE during Special Forces Training Exercises, they were in excellent health and expert swimmers. and others
died when the experimental Marine VTOL Aircraft crashed, killing all on board when the
plane nose dived into the ground this past year. ]
Major Willie S Barkley Jr
Capt. Scott Reynolds
Sgt Brian Hanley
Sgt. Tim Sabel
Maj. Gen. William Densberger
Col. Robert Kelly
Spec. Gary Rhodes
Steve Willis
Robert Williams
Conway LeBieu
Todd McKeehan.
Provided by RussGranataReports
http://www.codoh.com/granata/russ.html
[Editors Note: Also, there were 17 high ranking Generals and Admirals who
while on their way to Washington to Arrest Clinton on Treason, as per the
Constitution, their small military plane was shot down by a ground to air
stinger missile. that happened the same time the Federal Building was blown
up in Oklahoma. - Yet if had received very brief, local newspaper coverage.]
--------------------------------
[Disclosure Title 17, The use of the above material is allowed for research and educational purposes. U.C.C.1-207 ]
[ Edited by: Mike Balog, National Director, Press Operations, Patriot Broadcasting Network.
Note: Comments in [ ], in red, underlined were verbally confirmed to me by David Shippers,
Chief Congressional Investigator for the Clinton Impeachment Proceedings. He was Interviewed in
Montpelier, Vermont during the Spring of 2000.[The Video Tape of his Speech to the Washington
County Republican Club, Dinner, is available only from, the editor. contact by t=_self]uaicvtmb@together.net]
Rim_Runner
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Hey Rimmy......you think Snopes has the absolute truth on all issues? I don't think so.
Do you have more faith in an anonymous email someone copied and pasted into a post?
Quote:
If Bill Clinton is such a good guy, why didn't he have Osama Bin Laden killed when he could have....twice, he let him go.
Why hasn’t GWB caught him? Why did so many in the GOP accuse Clinton of wagging the dog? Why did GWB and Condi Rice ignore the warnings they were given? Who caught the people responsible for the first WTC bombing?
Hey Rimmy......you think Snopes has the absolute truth on all issues? I don't think so.
Do you have more faith in an anonymous email someone copied and pasted into a post?
Quote:
If Bill Clinton is such a good guy, why didn't he have Osama Bin Laden killed when he could have....twice, he let him go.
Why hasn’t GWB caught him? Why did so many in the GOP accuse Clinton of wagging the dog? Why did GWB and Condi Rice ignore the warnings they were given? Who caught the people responsible for the first WTC bombing?
NM Leon
New member
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...Even he admits that the connections are weak or can’t be proven.
That's hilarious Rim Runner, spoken like a true liberal mis-characterizing and taking words out of context. What I said was "I can already hear you parroting the Dem mantra, "There's no absolute proof", and you/they are right, there isn't."
I also said "There is considerably more evidence than it's taken to send people to the electric chair on though."
In legal jargon it's called a preponderance of evidence. There is almost NEVER absolute proof of ANY crime.
Quote:
First what Leon has posted is a large pile of interesting facts that may or may not be related...What he fails to do is tie it all together into something solid that proves that Bill Clinton was more corrupt that the Bush administration.
Really?
Clinton took $13 million in illegal funds (that was proven) in one election cycle from a foreign government, including their army and military intelligence.
Employees of the Bush administration (and some Democrats) took $4 million in illegal funds over four election cycles from American Indian tribes or their lobbyist.
Clinton made many Presidential Directives, even over the protests of his own State, Justice, Energy Depts and the FBI that were beneficial to the people who were giving him illegal funds and contrary to the interests and military security interests of the U.S.
Bush...well I don't think Bush has made any presidential directives beneficial to the tribes..but who knows, there's no absolute proof he wasn't thinking about it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
Clinton admitted to lying in court under oath and made a plea agreement (avoiding felony perjury charges) in which he was disbarred from the Arkansas bar and suspended from the U.S Supreme Court for it.
The Clinton administration was corrupt based on convictions and legal pleas. They have many more convictions than the Bush administration (even including those 9 civil servants). Clinton/Gore took at least 3 times as much money over 1/4 the time period as the entire Bush administration and took it from a foreign government. That's not speculation, it's admitted fact that people went to prison for.
Clinton personally was guilty of lying under oath and was disbarred and suspended for it (I won't included impeachment since that's a political and not a legal proceeding). Again, not speculation or allegation, a matter of legal public record.
Seriously, you asked me to document the Clinton corruption and I've presented documented evidence (not wild allegations) for much of it. There's a lot more, the Costco (PLA)takeover of the Panama Canal, their almost takeover of the port of Long Beach (which Clinton supported even after it was known they wanted it for military intelligence reasons), the travel office scandal, etc, etc, etc.
In the mean time you baldly maintain, contrary to all the evidence presented so far, that the Bush administration is more corrupt than the Clinton administration was, though you haven't successfully rebutted any of the evidence I've presented.
It would seem so far that the preponderance of the evidence is against your position, but then you haven't presented any evidence supporting your position that the Bush administration is more corrupt than the Clintons were.
OK...WHAT CAN YOU DOCUMENT?? Put YOUR evidence on the table SHOWING that Bush is more corrupt.
...Even he admits that the connections are weak or can’t be proven.
That's hilarious Rim Runner, spoken like a true liberal mis-characterizing and taking words out of context. What I said was "I can already hear you parroting the Dem mantra, "There's no absolute proof", and you/they are right, there isn't."
I also said "There is considerably more evidence than it's taken to send people to the electric chair on though."
In legal jargon it's called a preponderance of evidence. There is almost NEVER absolute proof of ANY crime.
Quote:
First what Leon has posted is a large pile of interesting facts that may or may not be related...What he fails to do is tie it all together into something solid that proves that Bill Clinton was more corrupt that the Bush administration.
Really?
Clinton took $13 million in illegal funds (that was proven) in one election cycle from a foreign government, including their army and military intelligence.
Employees of the Bush administration (and some Democrats) took $4 million in illegal funds over four election cycles from American Indian tribes or their lobbyist.
Clinton made many Presidential Directives, even over the protests of his own State, Justice, Energy Depts and the FBI that were beneficial to the people who were giving him illegal funds and contrary to the interests and military security interests of the U.S.
Bush...well I don't think Bush has made any presidential directives beneficial to the tribes..but who knows, there's no absolute proof he wasn't thinking about it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
Clinton admitted to lying in court under oath and made a plea agreement (avoiding felony perjury charges) in which he was disbarred from the Arkansas bar and suspended from the U.S Supreme Court for it.
The Clinton administration was corrupt based on convictions and legal pleas. They have many more convictions than the Bush administration (even including those 9 civil servants). Clinton/Gore took at least 3 times as much money over 1/4 the time period as the entire Bush administration and took it from a foreign government. That's not speculation, it's admitted fact that people went to prison for.
Clinton personally was guilty of lying under oath and was disbarred and suspended for it (I won't included impeachment since that's a political and not a legal proceeding). Again, not speculation or allegation, a matter of legal public record.
Seriously, you asked me to document the Clinton corruption and I've presented documented evidence (not wild allegations) for much of it. There's a lot more, the Costco (PLA)takeover of the Panama Canal, their almost takeover of the port of Long Beach (which Clinton supported even after it was known they wanted it for military intelligence reasons), the travel office scandal, etc, etc, etc.
In the mean time you baldly maintain, contrary to all the evidence presented so far, that the Bush administration is more corrupt than the Clinton administration was, though you haven't successfully rebutted any of the evidence I've presented.
It would seem so far that the preponderance of the evidence is against your position, but then you haven't presented any evidence supporting your position that the Bush administration is more corrupt than the Clintons were.
OK...WHAT CAN YOU DOCUMENT?? Put YOUR evidence on the table SHOWING that Bush is more corrupt.
greg223
Active member
Quote:
Do you have more faith in an anonymous email someone copied and pasted into a post?
Hah, got you there Rimmy, I didn't own a computer when the Clinton's were eliminating their opposition. I got my information based on the evidence that I read from investigations, primarily the Vince Foster incident. There were far too many holes in the official ruling of "suicide". I do not expect to change your view of the Clintons. He is a hero to most liberals which seem to lose sight of the fact that he is an immoral liar who was selling out this country to communists. What I do not understand is how you can support a leader who is strongly anti-gun/2nd Amendment? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
Do you have more faith in an anonymous email someone copied and pasted into a post?
Hah, got you there Rimmy, I didn't own a computer when the Clinton's were eliminating their opposition. I got my information based on the evidence that I read from investigations, primarily the Vince Foster incident. There were far too many holes in the official ruling of "suicide". I do not expect to change your view of the Clintons. He is a hero to most liberals which seem to lose sight of the fact that he is an immoral liar who was selling out this country to communists. What I do not understand is how you can support a leader who is strongly anti-gun/2nd Amendment? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
redeyeddawg
New member
"Do you know the difference between a lib and a moderate?"
Yeah Rimmy, I do. A moderate doesn't have the guts to admit he's a lib. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Yeah Rimmy, I do. A moderate doesn't have the guts to admit he's a lib. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
greg223
Active member
Quote:
"Do you know the difference between a lib and a moderate?"
Yeah Rimmy, I do. A moderate doesn't have the guts to admit he's a lib. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
A moderate is someone who likes the "middle of the road"......the only thing you find there is dead skunks and yellow strips.
"Do you know the difference between a lib and a moderate?"
Yeah Rimmy, I do. A moderate doesn't have the guts to admit he's a lib. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
A moderate is someone who likes the "middle of the road"......the only thing you find there is dead skunks and yellow strips.
Stealth1959
New member
Debating which president is more corrupt is like comparing the size of two fire ants.
I voted for Jorge Bush twice. Now Jorge has shown his true colors when it comes to mexico, pardoning the two border patrol agents being unjustly jailed, and his inability to fight a war.
Now that I have bashed Bush, I will never vote demonkrat. Liberalisim is a mental disorder (just ask Mike Savage). I cannot stand to be in a room with a liberal. If it somehow came down to Jorge Bush and Hitlerly, I would vote for Jorge again.
Our political system is about as corrupt as they come. I used to listen to my Dad talk about Ike, Patton, Truman and the like. All I can think now is that unless we revolt we are FUBAR!
I voted for Jorge Bush twice. Now Jorge has shown his true colors when it comes to mexico, pardoning the two border patrol agents being unjustly jailed, and his inability to fight a war.
Now that I have bashed Bush, I will never vote demonkrat. Liberalisim is a mental disorder (just ask Mike Savage). I cannot stand to be in a room with a liberal. If it somehow came down to Jorge Bush and Hitlerly, I would vote for Jorge again.
Our political system is about as corrupt as they come. I used to listen to my Dad talk about Ike, Patton, Truman and the like. All I can think now is that unless we revolt we are FUBAR!
Rim_Runner
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"Do you know the difference between a lib and a moderate?"
Yeah Rimmy, I do. A moderate doesn't have the guts to admit he's a lib. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Is that like an honest realtor doesn’t have the guts to admit he’s a crook? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
"Do you know the difference between a lib and a moderate?"
Yeah Rimmy, I do. A moderate doesn't have the guts to admit he's a lib. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Is that like an honest realtor doesn’t have the guts to admit he’s a crook? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
Rim_Runner
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What I do not understand is how you can support a leader who is strongly anti-gun/2nd Amendment? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
Support? He's not running for office. I see his stance on the 2nd amendment as his biggest weakness but for good or bad the Clinton presidency is history. All that’s left is the occasional moments of animated discussion between friends that hold opposing views on that history. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
What I do not understand is how you can support a leader who is strongly anti-gun/2nd Amendment? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
Support? He's not running for office. I see his stance on the 2nd amendment as his biggest weakness but for good or bad the Clinton presidency is history. All that’s left is the occasional moments of animated discussion between friends that hold opposing views on that history. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
redeyeddawg
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"Do you know the difference between a lib and a moderate?"
Yeah Rimmy, I do. A moderate doesn't have the guts to admit he's a lib. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Is that like an honest realtor doesn’t have the guts to admit he’s a crook? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
Or an independant admitting he's a Democrat? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
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"Do you know the difference between a lib and a moderate?"
Yeah Rimmy, I do. A moderate doesn't have the guts to admit he's a lib. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Is that like an honest realtor doesn’t have the guts to admit he’s a crook? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
Or an independant admitting he's a Democrat? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
cwbycrshr
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Is that like an honest realtor doesn’t have the guts to admit he’s a crook? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
Well now Rimmy ,
you seem to like to start arguments with no bases for truth...beings that I am a Realtor, I take offense to that statement, especially coming unfounded, unnecessary, and dishonest just for slander sake!
For your information, I (and any successful Realtor) presents all the information to our clients and help them make the best decision for them, their families, and or business partners, regardless if I close the deal or not, for millions or pennies, it does not matter.
Without going on a rampage about how you throw out misleading statements that have no bases or facts (very liberal and PETA /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif sounding), I will simply ask that you tread a little more carefully when you choose to put down a profession that you obviously know little, if nothing, about.
Jeff Mock
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Is that like an honest realtor doesn’t have the guts to admit he’s a crook? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
Well now Rimmy ,
you seem to like to start arguments with no bases for truth...beings that I am a Realtor, I take offense to that statement, especially coming unfounded, unnecessary, and dishonest just for slander sake!
For your information, I (and any successful Realtor) presents all the information to our clients and help them make the best decision for them, their families, and or business partners, regardless if I close the deal or not, for millions or pennies, it does not matter.
Without going on a rampage about how you throw out misleading statements that have no bases or facts (very liberal and PETA /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif sounding), I will simply ask that you tread a little more carefully when you choose to put down a profession that you obviously know little, if nothing, about.
My GOD MAN!!! Don't you know that being a Liberal means never having to say your sorry?? They're "ALLOWED" to make statemenmts such as this due to the fact that we, the ranks of the unwashed, or not smart enough to get their meaning. (Notice how he said Realtor and Lawyer???) Very smooth indeed...
Is that like an honest realtor doesn’t have the guts to admit he’s a crook? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
Well now Rimmy ,
you seem to like to start arguments with no bases for truth...beings that I am a Realtor, I take offense to that statement, especially coming unfounded, unnecessary, and dishonest just for slander sake!
For your information, I (and any successful Realtor) presents all the information to our clients and help them make the best decision for them, their families, and or business partners, regardless if I close the deal or not, for millions or pennies, it does not matter.
Without going on a rampage about how you throw out misleading statements that have no bases or facts (very liberal and PETA /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif sounding), I will simply ask that you tread a little more carefully when you choose to put down a profession that you obviously know little, if nothing, about.
My GOD MAN!!! Don't you know that being a Liberal means never having to say your sorry?? They're "ALLOWED" to make statemenmts such as this due to the fact that we, the ranks of the unwashed, or not smart enough to get their meaning. (Notice how he said Realtor and Lawyer???) Very smooth indeed...
YoteSackbuster
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My point is If even a 10/th of the crap he's accused of is true he's a total bottom feeding scumbag
Rim_Runner
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You guys want some cheese with your whine? I’m not going to insult you by letting you pretend that you don’t know that my response was a direct reply to Dawg. I know you know better than that. I’m also sure you know that Dawg is no more a crook than I’m a lib. I would find your distain for moderates amusing if it weren’t for the fact that we are on the same side on several issues. It gets old watching allies shoot themselves in the foot. What do you think the far right can accomplish without the support of the moderates? Where do you think the GOP will be if they keep driving away the independents that would like to work with them?