thoughts on lapping rings?

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Optical clarity has nothing to do with scope alignment.

Lapping rings is not the correct way to correct a misaligned receiver.

Jeff is far from any of the childish names you've called him. He has more knowledge than most can hope to obtain. He truly is a BTDT type. It would behoove you to sit back and learn, but I'd wager a bet you won't.
 
Originally Posted By: fredhorace77Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: fredhorace77Originally Posted By: fw707
You can misalign your scope by 10 mil either way and the "clarity" will be the same. Well, you are wrong again. You may want to go back to canning ur tomatoes, and keep ur mouth shut. You look smarter that way.

Well why don't you just enlighten us as to how the misalignment of your scope base holes affects the clarity of the glass in a scope?
How does which way your scope is pointing affect the clarity of the glass?

I think you need to go out behind your woodshed and spank yourself and I'll go back to canning maters.

It's pretty dang obvious that I know a lot more about canning maters than you know about scopes, rings, and bases.
yes you know more than me....way way more...you win...ur right. I'm done with this idiot.

Yep, I was expecting this reply any time.
You have absolutely no way to justify or prove any of the ridiculous comments you've made in your "argument", so you just sarcastically say this guy is right.
Happens all the time on the internet when somebody lets their mouth overload their a$$ and they have no way to prove all of the ludicrous crap they've posted publicly about a subject that they have no practical and personal knowledge about. They just spew back the crap they've read on the net that makes them an internet hero.
Then, all of a sudden, somebody that actually loads and shoots more than 5 boolitts in six months calls them out to answer a real question, and they step on their wiener.

Why don't you just crawl back into your hole until you have some practical knowledge about the subject that you profess to be an expert in.
And yes, I did end the last sentence with a preposition.
My bad.
 
Hey Jeff, mind shipping some matters with my bow strap!?
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Oh yeah,
fred, I really hope you don't post another really uninformative and ridiculous reply to my last post.
I'm really busy surfing Al's internet looking for Burris Signature Z rings in 34mm, and Nightforce, Seekins, and Badger rings with the little plastic insert thingy.
I probably won't find the time to reply to another one of your posts.
Unless you really want me to.
 
Originally Posted By: pahntr760Hey Jeff, mind shipping some matters with my bow strap!?
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Man I really apologize for getting so far behind.
I'll get it tied up tomorrow!
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Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: pahntr760Hey Jeff, mind shipping some matters with my bow strap!?
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Man I really apologize for getting so far behind.
I'll get it tied up tomorrow!
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No worries on my end. Get what you need done and worry about that thing when you've got some down time.
 
Originally Posted By: Buster HindendMake sure the strands of the paracord are in line with the riser or the sights will not be clear and you'll shoot to the left

Plus or minus .2 mils, allowing for diameter discrepancies in the cord.
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Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Buster HindendMake sure the strands of the paracord are in line with the riser or the sights will not be clear and you'll shoot to the left

Plus or minus .2 mils, allowing for diameter discrepancies in the cord.
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I figure it would make a huge difference if you're using 7 vs 5 strand cord too!
 
Originally Posted By: pahntr760Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Buster HindendMake sure the strands of the paracord are in line with the riser or the sights will not be clear and you'll shoot to the left

Plus or minus .2 mils, allowing for diameter discrepancies in the cord.
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I figure it would make a huge difference if you're using 7 vs 5 strand cord too!

Well you got me there.
I majored in English.
I struggled with math!
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I don't know either of the two main participants in this set-to but agree that what set it off was insulting and uncalled for. My experience lapping rings was with two sets of Warne Maximas, which Warne definitely states to not lap. But I did. After my beautiful lapping job there was a problem. Leveling the reticle was very difficult. The rings worked too well. They scopes would not rotate if there was even a minute amount of tension on them from the rings. When I loosened the rings enough to rotate the scope there was not enough grip to keep the scope from turning. You know what I'm talking about, you want just enough tension on the tube to be able to rotate the scope with a little difficulty until the reticle is level, then you torque the ring screws down to the proper amount of inch pounds.

I'm not an expert and learn something new quite frequently even though I mount 15 to 20 scopes a week at work and mount one or two a week for friends or for cash. My feeling is that if rings need to be lapped then they need to be exchanged for a new set. The assumption is that decent rings are being used; ie, Leupold, Warne and up to more expensive rings. I can't afford expensive rings but have 17 scopes mounted on rifles. Two wear Leupold Std bases and rings(needed the course windage adjustment on the rear base because the receivers were drilled and tapped off-center) and Warne Maximas with Warne two piece bases or EGW bases. I've never had a scope slip or had alignment issues b/c of rings.

I also will state that when I see posts with really bad grammar and no punctuation it is slightly irritating to me and I usually don't read it and go on to the next post.
 
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FW707, I DO OT KNOW HOW I GOT DRAGGED INTO THIS DICUSSION. I CLEARLY STATED THAT I ONLY LAP RINGS FOR A CONTACT SURFACE WHICH MEANS THAT MY WHEELER KIT HAS BEEN USED EXACTLY ONE TIME.

NOW, AS FOR BEING BUTT HURT OVER THE DIES, THAT WAS A LEGITAMATE QUESTION. I TRY TO USE THE BEST STUFF THAT MY BUDGET ALLOWS. IF I AM WASTING MONEY ON THINGS THAT I DON"T NEED THEN I WANT TO STOP.

NOW THE SUBJECT OF FRIENDS OR BUDDIES, I PROMISE THAT I HAVE PRECIOUS FEW OF THOSE. TRUE FRIENDS ARE HARD TO FIND.
 
Personal opinions aside, these guys make stuff that just works and have a pile of long range shooting success to back it up. One day, i hope to attend their school, but in the meantime their youtube video's are great and there is one on here that talks about lapping rings and the second one is a guy that uses their products and takes 2 1000+yrd coyotes back to back. I don't care who it is, it's good shooting and it's all built off the little things that add or could detract from accuracy.




 
Well that escalated quickly. Again thanks for all the info. I was asking this question for my slug gun. I purchased a leupy vxr 2x7. I know not a terribly nice scope but to date its the most I've spent on a scope and since I mounted it myself wanted to make sure it was done properly. I used leupold prw rings and I ended up not lapping them. Everything seemed to fit together perfectly so I didn't really deem it necessary. Thanks again!
 
I use these...

http://www.burrisoptics.com/mounting-systems/rings/xtr-signature-rings

I don't have to lap anything and with different inserts I can adjust however I need to line up scope with bore. With the inserts, no marks on my scopes either. Lets face it, cheap rings get bad results and lapping isn't always the answer. Lapping can hinder more than help in some cases if you don't know what you are doing. 3 things cause bad scope alignment. Bad rings, bad mounts or bad machining on the receiver or the rifle. The rings above have the ability to combat all 3. I spent $85 on mine. Well worth every penny.
 
Why be a dick?

Originally Posted By: fredhorace77this is not only a lie, but is also naive thinking. You can buy the best rings and bases money can buy, but if the base holes are not centered with the bore then it will not matter. If you lap the rings you need to bed them, otherwise you are just removing material and making your rings oblong shaped. Easiest thing to do is skip the hassel and purchase Burris signature zee rings and be done with it.
 
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Originally Posted By: C.JayWhy be a dick?



you are the guy who was complaining about people calling other people names.



Originally Posted By: C.JayIs it just me or is there an excess amount of anger lately here on PM?
I have seen several threads where someone makes a post and the first reply is rabid anger calling the o.p. a liar, idiot, moron, retard or any combination of the above.
Find myself visiting other hunting sites more frequently as a result.

Interesting.

http://www.predatormastersforums.com/for...220#Post2856220

like you said. interesting.
 
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