To build or just buy a cz for a 17 remington?

Originally Posted By: Bernie P.So these days tiny super light bullets are unaffected by wind and maintain their velocity and energy downrange?We're talking physics here folks.That doesn't change.I might be wrong on the fouling issue but I stand by the rest.

Are you saying then, that we should disregard ballistic coefficient (BC) because it is a 17 cal. bullet.

Compare a Hornady 50 gr SP (BC = .214) launched from a 223 at about 3400 fps, (Hodgdon book load), against a 25 gr Berger match (BC=.190) launched from a 17 Rem at 4000 fps at a distance of 300 yards. I picked 300 yards as I believe that to be pretty much the max range for the average coyote caller, actually 100-200 yards IMO, but 300 yards produces more numbers. If yu look these up on Ballistics charts, you will see the 17 Slightly out performs the 223 in drop and wind, barely but it does.

Again these are IMO realistic speeds/distances/and bullets for called coyotes.

The 223 will have more energy at 300 yards in this case
 
Originally Posted By: 1badsheecz in 17rem reamed out to 17-204.

I've got that set-up and presently shooting 30gr Nagals at 4000 fps now, but have a bunch of 30gr Golds with a BC of .270? going 4000fps, well it's just cool...
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Much better numbers for drop, wind drift, and energy at 300+ yards


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The .172 25 grain Vmax bullet has a BC of .23 which is just slightly under the 50 grain .224 bullet Vmax which has a BC of .24 which happens to be the bullet I most often use (by far) when out shooting ground squirrels and prairie dogs.

Using 4000 FPS for the speed of the .17 caliber (under book max for my .17 Remington) and 3500 FPS for the .224 caliber (over book max in my .223) we find that when using a 200 yard zero that the .17 bullet has dropped around 5.5" at 500 yards and the .224 bullet has dropped almost half again more at 7.5 inches. Hmmm....

And figuring a 10 mile an hour crosswind into it and the .17 bullet has drifted 30" at 500 yards and the .224 bullet 34" at the same distance. Hmmm....

So as you said, we're talking physics here and this is what you find when using it.

Oh, there is a 100 ft lb of energy difference between the two rounds at the 500 yard distance, but I doubt if anything shot with either of those two bullets will be able to tell the difference.
 
Rusty, quit talking logic and facts, You just made me want to go shoot my little 17 Mach IV with those 25gr VMaxes.

 
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And the question remains even though it was asked several times.
Have you Bernie, ever owned, shot, or more importantly, harvested any fur with a 17cal?
If you had, you'd know that they really are over-achievers reguardless of what the college-boys say.
 
Got a a little discussion here.
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I want to get a 17 because like someone said before it was built for saving fur. That and I don't have one. Been looking and think that I probably just buy the cz. A custom barrel for a savage or stevens will run about 360 or so. Cheaper to go cz. But not much cheaper. Anyone got a used short action stevens or savage they want to sell?
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not a ton of used ones laying around. 17-204 how difficult is that brass to form? Do you get many pass throughs with those 30 gr bullets?

Brandon
 
Build the stevens, you won't be disappointed. I am in the process of building a .17 off of a savage model 11 action. There is a good selection of barrels and stocks out there. I decided to build mine so that i could have something different and the satisfaction of doing it myself. Plus if you build, it will be the way you want it from the beginning. Just my .02
 
Originally Posted By: Bernie P.So these days tiny super light bullets are unaffected by wind and maintain their velocity and energy downrange?We're talking physics here folks.That doesn't change.I might be wrong on the fouling issue but I stand by the rest.

Last I knew, ALL bullets are affected by wind and loose down range energy.
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Originally Posted By: Tim NeitzkeOriginally Posted By: Bernie P.So these days tiny super light bullets are unaffected by wind and maintain their velocity and energy downrange?We're talking physics here folks.That doesn't change.I might be wrong on the fouling issue but I stand by the rest.

Last I knew, ALL bullets are affected by wind and loose down range energy.
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must be some new super magic bullet Tim..
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Originally Posted By: BOBTAILSOriginally Posted By: Tim NeitzkeOriginally Posted By: Bernie P.So these days tiny super light bullets are unaffected by wind and maintain their velocity and energy downrange?We're talking physics here folks.That doesn't change.I might be wrong on the fouling issue but I stand by the rest.

Last I knew, ALL bullets are affected by wind and loose down range energy.
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must be some new super magic bullet Tim..
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... I'm hoping Santa will bring me those left hand twist bullets for my right hand twist guns ! That should help with wind even more !
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In my opinion, and experience, you can't go wrong either way.
I've done both...
Here's my 17/204...
Remington 700 action
Shilen SSM #3 1-9
B&C Alaskan II
HS Precision detachable mag/bottom metal
Rifle Basix trigger
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CZ 17 Rem
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I've shot 2 this year over 300 yards. One was at 392. Both dropped like a rock. I've shot several at 300 with the 17 Rem with similar results. Generally, if the coyote runs off after the shot...it's because I missed. I do get some death sprinters, but that doesn't seem to happen on the longer pokes.

I wrote a little about the necking down procedure in the "17 Predator" thread in the reloading room here if you're interested.
 
That is a beautiful rifle! Got a big gun show around my area in march so I will have to go and look for some rifles to build off of. Found a savage the other day at a pawn shop but it is a long action.
 
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