I was at the Sports Show in the Harrisburg Farm Show Complex last week and talked to a gentleman about UV control on hunting clothes. His product is supposed to cover the UV dyes in clothes. The purpose is to keep the dye from shining like you would see on a Helloween poster. His comments are that animals, like deer and I would have to think coyote, see these UV rays better in dim light if they are being reflected by our hunting clothes. The product is put out by Astko corporation. I read their pamphlet that dealt with the visable light spectrum, and UV radiation and it all made sense to me. Any of you guys out there worried about coyotes seeing dye UV reflection from your clothes? Anyone done any reading on this topic?
UV-scareing coyotes away?
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tripod3
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I have not done enough reading on this subject to have any authority. We have used a Sport Wash and UV Killer spray on our hunting clothing for many years. We initially saw it advertised with the highlighted UV pictures depicting a fluorescent blue. By using the Sport Wash it is scent free soap without UV brighteners like most laundry detergents. In hunting clothing we are not trying to achieve that bright new look.
My immediate impression was this is helping and we have used it every year since with success. Another thing we use is Scentaway liquid soap for shower & shampoo. It is scent free and works well.
My immediate impression was this is helping and we have used it every year since with success. Another thing we use is Scentaway liquid soap for shower & shampoo. It is scent free and works well.
Hey guys,
I was not a believer in the "UV Killer" soaps and washes. I figured it was some kind of "gimmick" to get more of our dollars. I have traveled & hunted in quite a few states. My construction job requires me to relocate every two to three years. I was recently on a job in N/W texas panhandle. I received my education about the UV Killer Soaps. I had gotten permission to hunt on some property in Oklahoma with quite a few Coyotes...just across the Texas line. This area is rolling hills, almost no fences, and almost nothing to break up your outline other than small clumps of grass. I had been there several times over the course of 4 months, had called several coyotes to within 500-600 yards, but they always seemed to hang up - Coyotes 10, Hunter 0. I changed tactics - washed my clothes in the UV Killer. Coyotes 2, Hunter 12. It made a believer out of me.
I was not a believer in the "UV Killer" soaps and washes. I figured it was some kind of "gimmick" to get more of our dollars. I have traveled & hunted in quite a few states. My construction job requires me to relocate every two to three years. I was recently on a job in N/W texas panhandle. I received my education about the UV Killer Soaps. I had gotten permission to hunt on some property in Oklahoma with quite a few Coyotes...just across the Texas line. This area is rolling hills, almost no fences, and almost nothing to break up your outline other than small clumps of grass. I had been there several times over the course of 4 months, had called several coyotes to within 500-600 yards, but they always seemed to hang up - Coyotes 10, Hunter 0. I changed tactics - washed my clothes in the UV Killer. Coyotes 2, Hunter 12. It made a believer out of me.
Hey maw_bell
You are calling the product UV-Killer "soaps and wash". This product put out by Atsko has a spray called UV-killer that is sprayed on the fabric after it is washed in their clothes wash. Are you talking about a different product? Their sales pitch is that there is "no" product on the market today that will remove the UV "blue" glare. Their wash does not enhance the UV but it doesn't remove the dye. Let me know the actual name of your product.
And tripod you and I are talking about the same product.
You are calling the product UV-Killer "soaps and wash". This product put out by Atsko has a spray called UV-killer that is sprayed on the fabric after it is washed in their clothes wash. Are you talking about a different product? Their sales pitch is that there is "no" product on the market today that will remove the UV "blue" glare. Their wash does not enhance the UV but it doesn't remove the dye. Let me know the actual name of your product.
And tripod you and I are talking about the same product.
Hidalgo
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Personally, I think it's BS. The next time a guy gives you the "sales pitch" about using this stuff, ask him which deer, coyote, armadillo, badger, or turkey told him about their "UV Vision" capabilities? Get him to cite for you the exact documents where this has been proven to be a capability of game animals. If he CAN give you this info....He's LYING to you. It's just another rumor that got started because a guy got busted wearing a pair of jeans and the industry saw another way to get money from hunters. Pure BS, plain and simple. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
I had a coyote walk within a few feet of me while I was sitting on a stump wearing a RED shirt and a pair of jeans. Maybe the red color was blocking out the UV....... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
I had a coyote walk within a few feet of me while I was sitting on a stump wearing a RED shirt and a pair of jeans. Maybe the red color was blocking out the UV....... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
Well...after posting some on coyote vision & other threads. Et, getting some feedback on other remarks I've made. I believe "now" some/if not all coyote's, can pick out "brighter clothing" whether camo'd or not with the surrounding back ground.
ie; All white camo, on a snow covered hillside. I stalk coyotes during Fall & Winter snowfly. I've been prone & kneeled down on snow cover from afar & had some coyotes stare a hole in me.
I obviously can't say, they took me as a human form. But regardless, they seen a white mass that didn't belong on their territory. These coyote's, after "staring" a hole in me. Went into alert mode & either took off right away or got up & walked away, looking back @ my position.
I also believe, the "local coyote's" know their territory intimately. Knowing/observing when "something" is out of place. They miss, very little in my hunt area.
ie; All white camo, on a snow covered hillside. I stalk coyotes during Fall & Winter snowfly. I've been prone & kneeled down on snow cover from afar & had some coyotes stare a hole in me.
I obviously can't say, they took me as a human form. But regardless, they seen a white mass that didn't belong on their territory. These coyote's, after "staring" a hole in me. Went into alert mode & either took off right away or got up & walked away, looking back @ my position.
I also believe, the "local coyote's" know their territory intimately. Knowing/observing when "something" is out of place. They miss, very little in my hunt area.
Hidalgo
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I obviously can't say, they took me as a human form. But regardless, they seen a white mass that didn't belong on their territory. These coyote's, after "staring" a hole in me. Went into alert mode & either took off right away or got up & walked away, looking back @ my position.
I also believe, the "local coyote's" know their territory intimately. Knowing/observing when "something" is out of place. They miss, very little in my hunt area.
Now THAT'S information that I totally agree with, Kirby. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
We make this stuff way, way too difficult and complicated.
Another thing that hasn't been brought up (at least in the last few conversations about this stuff) is the fact that when you are calling, you put the coyote in HUNT mode. That causes him to bring all of his senses into play and notice EVERYTHING in his field of vision. Have you ever almost stepped on a snake that you didn't see? Would you have stepped so close if someone had told you the snake was in the area? They're the same way. When you put forth a call, you're inviting a curious and alert animal to come LOOKING for you. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
I obviously can't say, they took me as a human form. But regardless, they seen a white mass that didn't belong on their territory. These coyote's, after "staring" a hole in me. Went into alert mode & either took off right away or got up & walked away, looking back @ my position.
I also believe, the "local coyote's" know their territory intimately. Knowing/observing when "something" is out of place. They miss, very little in my hunt area.
Now THAT'S information that I totally agree with, Kirby. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
We make this stuff way, way too difficult and complicated.
Another thing that hasn't been brought up (at least in the last few conversations about this stuff) is the fact that when you are calling, you put the coyote in HUNT mode. That causes him to bring all of his senses into play and notice EVERYTHING in his field of vision. Have you ever almost stepped on a snake that you didn't see? Would you have stepped so close if someone had told you the snake was in the area? They're the same way. When you put forth a call, you're inviting a curious and alert animal to come LOOKING for you. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Hey Hidalgo
He handed me a booklet where he sited tests done at the University of Georgia with help from the University of Michigan on deer and their ability to see more on the UV side of our visable spectrum and much less toward the IR side. Their findings were that deer have cones on the retina that are sensative to colors in the yellow and blue wavelengths only. They have no cones to detect red or green making them red-green colorblind. This is in daylight when all of those wavelengths are flying around. In the evening and morning light UV is not being overwhelemed by white light. I don't know if it is BS or not but my coyote count for the past 2 years has been zero. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif The link below takes you to the Atsko company and if you click on the DVD disk in the lower right they tell their story. http://www.atsko.com/index.html
I also have a couple of emails into their company and am waiting for their response. Their research was done on whitetails but I would assume /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif all night predators have a keen sense for Ultra Violet, as well as a good nose. If it is BS then I am out a couple of bucks. If it holds some water then maybe my coyote count will go up. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif Oh, and by the way, I am in no way shape or form associated with Atsko. They take my money freely with only the product in return. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
He handed me a booklet where he sited tests done at the University of Georgia with help from the University of Michigan on deer and their ability to see more on the UV side of our visable spectrum and much less toward the IR side. Their findings were that deer have cones on the retina that are sensative to colors in the yellow and blue wavelengths only. They have no cones to detect red or green making them red-green colorblind. This is in daylight when all of those wavelengths are flying around. In the evening and morning light UV is not being overwhelemed by white light. I don't know if it is BS or not but my coyote count for the past 2 years has been zero. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif The link below takes you to the Atsko company and if you click on the DVD disk in the lower right they tell their story. http://www.atsko.com/index.html
I also have a couple of emails into their company and am waiting for their response. Their research was done on whitetails but I would assume /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif all night predators have a keen sense for Ultra Violet, as well as a good nose. If it is BS then I am out a couple of bucks. If it holds some water then maybe my coyote count will go up. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif Oh, and by the way, I am in no way shape or form associated with Atsko. They take my money freely with only the product in return. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Hidalgo
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If it is BS then I am out a couple of bucks. If it holds some water then maybe my coyote count will go up.
That's the attitude to have. If hanging a chicken bone around my neck would increase my hunting success, you can bet I'd do it. Everybody has their own little quirks and practices, and I'm not saying that you shouldn't do what makes you feel good. (I won't ride my Harley without my "Lucky Dollar" in my pocket /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif) As hunters, we should take every possible chance to gain an advantage.....but I'm not convinced that these critters we are hunting are as complicated as we make them out to be. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
If it is BS then I am out a couple of bucks. If it holds some water then maybe my coyote count will go up.
That's the attitude to have. If hanging a chicken bone around my neck would increase my hunting success, you can bet I'd do it. Everybody has their own little quirks and practices, and I'm not saying that you shouldn't do what makes you feel good. (I won't ride my Harley without my "Lucky Dollar" in my pocket /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif) As hunters, we should take every possible chance to gain an advantage.....but I'm not convinced that these critters we are hunting are as complicated as we make them out to be. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
marlin4570
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another thread
Heres another thread where this was brought up. Ive been trying to locate some conclusive info on the subject for a while now but have come up empty handed.
Heres another thread where this was brought up. Ive been trying to locate some conclusive info on the subject for a while now but have come up empty handed.
pyledriver
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I've used non-UV detergents for years. I use the SportWash soap, or sometimes just CheerFREE. I don't know whether it really helps or not, but considering the price of the sportwash and how many loads I get, I figure it doesn't cost much to give me what I HOPE is an extra edge! I've been doing it long enough that all my current hunting clothes have never been washed in any 'normal' laundry soap-ever. HOWEVER, I have hunted several times in jeans that have been washed in regular detergent, and not had any ill effects that I know of.
I don't put this in the same category as scent-blocker clothes though, because the only gotcha on that stuff is just using the wind to your advantage. In the case of UV, there's nothing you can do in the field to mitigate the effect-if real-so an extra step during the wash can't hurt!!
I do know one thing for sure though-predator hunting can be difficult at times, and if you have something that gives you a little more confidence to stay on your stand just a little bit longer...you'll have increased success.
I don't put this in the same category as scent-blocker clothes though, because the only gotcha on that stuff is just using the wind to your advantage. In the case of UV, there's nothing you can do in the field to mitigate the effect-if real-so an extra step during the wash can't hurt!!
I do know one thing for sure though-predator hunting can be difficult at times, and if you have something that gives you a little more confidence to stay on your stand just a little bit longer...you'll have increased success.
No doubt that most laundary detergents have UV brighteners. Read the label. Sport washes cost a lot. Try Woolite or Dreft (they don't have "brighteners" as an ingredient), set the washer for a second rinse, and don't sit in the sun. You can get by real well with any gray or brown clothing and don't even need camo.
Then wash your blue jeans and a blue or green shirt in regular detergent some time and stand in the sun when you call if you want to see a coyote react to the blue end of the light spectrum. They see you real well. I didn't believe it either until I tried daylight hunting in jeans and got busted like day-glo over and over.
Call the phone number on any detergent bottle and talk to a customer service rep. Tell them you're allergic to "brighteners" and ask for options.
Then wash your blue jeans and a blue or green shirt in regular detergent some time and stand in the sun when you call if you want to see a coyote react to the blue end of the light spectrum. They see you real well. I didn't believe it either until I tried daylight hunting in jeans and got busted like day-glo over and over.
Call the phone number on any detergent bottle and talk to a customer service rep. Tell them you're allergic to "brighteners" and ask for options.
BillyTheKidd
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I've just killed to many coyotes day and night to beleive all this UV stuff.
I can name some oldtimers " older them me " that killed tons of coyotes with nothing more then a dark colored shirt and or a dark colored jacket and levis on.
You guys can believe what you want, but I ain't buying it.
I can name some oldtimers " older them me " that killed tons of coyotes with nothing more then a dark colored shirt and or a dark colored jacket and levis on.
You guys can believe what you want, but I ain't buying it.
yotehunter74
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I've just killed to many coyotes day and night to beleive all this UV stuff.
I can name some oldtimers " older them me " that killed tons of coyotes with nothing more then a dark colored shirt and or a dark colored jacket and levis on.
You guys can believe what you want, but I ain't buying it.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif I agree but then again... if the UV stands out like that, maybe they just think its time to " go toward the light" /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
I've just killed to many coyotes day and night to beleive all this UV stuff.
I can name some oldtimers " older them me " that killed tons of coyotes with nothing more then a dark colored shirt and or a dark colored jacket and levis on.
You guys can believe what you want, but I ain't buying it.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif I agree but then again... if the UV stands out like that, maybe they just think its time to " go toward the light" /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
coyote control
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Well guys - I don't believe in the stufff either....
I have used the same Camo coveralls for the past 12 yrs now and guess what? I have only washed them one time in all them years.
I have had coyotes come up as close as 8, 10 and 16 yds and not even notice me sitting next to a tree. So I am sure if the UV was shining bright, then I should of been pegged on the spot.
The camo coveralls are Timber Ghost, haven't seen them around for many, many years. They look like a tree trunk or should I say, bark of the tree.
I have used the same Camo coveralls for the past 12 yrs now and guess what? I have only washed them one time in all them years.
I have had coyotes come up as close as 8, 10 and 16 yds and not even notice me sitting next to a tree. So I am sure if the UV was shining bright, then I should of been pegged on the spot.
The camo coveralls are Timber Ghost, haven't seen them around for many, many years. They look like a tree trunk or should I say, bark of the tree.
tripod3
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Do you get enough sunshine in Wet Side WA to show any UV. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif kidding. I think what you say is very true and may be equal to UV Killer by not washing them. Time, dirt and water have an effect.
New clothes and many rewashed clothes have Brighteners.
New clothes and many rewashed clothes have Brighteners.
coyote control
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I think what you say is very true and may be equal to UV Killer by not washing them. Time, dirt and water have an effect.
New clothes and many rewashed clothes have Brighteners.
I am with you tripod3 on what you said above. But then....I've also had 4 does walk right by me one day at the distance of 30 yrds, I was sitting on my knee's, in plain view and wearing a bright florescent orange coat, no brush or trees around me and the deer never even seen me and walked right on by.
I think what you say is very true and may be equal to UV Killer by not washing them. Time, dirt and water have an effect.
New clothes and many rewashed clothes have Brighteners.
I am with you tripod3 on what you said above. But then....I've also had 4 does walk right by me one day at the distance of 30 yrds, I was sitting on my knee's, in plain view and wearing a bright florescent orange coat, no brush or trees around me and the deer never even seen me and walked right on by.
tripod3
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Yes hunter orange bothers many guys but we have taken pics of orange in hunting settings in Sepia & Black & white. Turns out it is a tone that is very good camo.
I have had legal bucks sniffing at me from 2 feet and a coyote at 18 inches. I have no qualm about wearing hunter orange and even prefer to wear it in Realtree camo. We have had several friends follow suit after witnessing some of this close encounter.
I have had legal bucks sniffing at me from 2 feet and a coyote at 18 inches. I have no qualm about wearing hunter orange and even prefer to wear it in Realtree camo. We have had several friends follow suit after witnessing some of this close encounter.