What 22-250 twist do I want?

Originally Posted By: ILPredHunter12Originally Posted By: Winny FanThis is just me, but I'd stay away from any plastic tipped varmint bullets for coyotes.

Don't mean to thread jack here or be confrontational or anything. But may I ask why?

Because the thin jacketed plastic tipped bullets are designed for rapid expansion on small varmints like pd's and ground hogs. On larger predators like coyotes, if you hit bone with a plastic tipped bullet they likely won't get inside the body cavity to insure a quick humane kill. The chances of bullet splash is far greater, even when its just a rib bone that is hit.

A well-built HP or lead tipped bullet is far more effective and reliable for getting inside of coyotes, especially when bones are hit. And contrary to internet myths, neither a HP or a lead tipped bullet will cause you to miss a coyote at extended ranges that you would otherwise hit while using a "high bc" plastic tipped bullet.
 
I have not had that result with 60 v max in both 223 and 22-250. I have shot far more coyotes, bobcats and hogs with the 223 combination with excellent results.
 
My favorite pelt hunting bullet out of my 22-204 is the 40gr NBT at 4000fps, hard to find the entrance rarely an exit mostly bullet pieces under the far hide.

This coming year I'll be shooting 40gr NBTs(worked well last year) on one of my 20 Practicals and 32gr Nos. HPs in the other.

I shoot 52gr HPs my other rifles and combo guns 222 Rem, 223, 5.6x50 and 22 250 and SPs in my 22 High-power and 6.5x58.

They al kill coyotes just fine
 
Originally Posted By: Winny FanOriginally Posted By: ILPredHunter12Originally Posted By: Winny FanThis is just me, but I'd stay away from any plastic tipped varmint bullets for coyotes.

Don't mean to thread jack here or be confrontational or anything. But may I ask why?

Because the thin jacketed plastic tipped bullets are designed for rapid expansion on small varmints like pd's and ground hogs. On larger predators like coyotes, if you hit bone with a plastic tipped bullet they likely won't get inside the body cavity to insure a quick humane kill. The chances of bullet splash is far greater, even when its just a rib bone that is hit.

A well-built HP or lead tipped bullet is far more effective and reliable for getting inside of coyotes, especially when bones are hit. And contrary to internet myths, neither a HP or a lead tipped bullet will cause you to miss a coyote at extended ranges that you would otherwise hit while using a "high bc" plastic tipped bullet.

Gotcha. Thank you for the insight. I personally haven't had an issue with a tipped bullet. But I can definitely see that it could be an issue. Thank you again!
 
Originally Posted By: ILPredHunter12Originally Posted By: Winny FanOriginally Posted By: ILPredHunter12Originally Posted By: Winny FanThis is just me, but I'd stay away from any plastic tipped varmint bullets for coyotes.

Don't mean to thread jack here or be confrontational or anything. But may I ask why?

Because the thin jacketed plastic tipped bullets are designed for rapid expansion on small varmints like pd's and ground hogs. On larger predators like coyotes, if you hit bone with a plastic tipped bullet they likely won't get inside the body cavity to insure a quick humane kill. The chances of bullet splash is far greater, even when its just a rib bone that is hit.

A well-built HP or lead tipped bullet is far more effective and reliable for getting inside of coyotes, especially when bones are hit. And contrary to internet myths, neither a HP or a lead tipped bullet will cause you to miss a coyote at extended ranges that you would otherwise hit while using a "high bc" plastic tipped bullet.

Gotcha. Thank you for the insight. I personally haven't had an issue with a tipped bullet. But I can definitely see that it could be an issue. Thank you again!

Glad to help on insight. No bullet is perfect, but some have an edge on others in terms of reliable performance.

I fully expected at least one poster to walk by saying it wasn't an issue, but to each his own on experiences. I'll stick with HP or lead tipped bullets because they work, and they don't handicap a shooter one bit in a ballistic sense at normal hunting ranges. Contrary to what the internet tells you.
 
Originally Posted By: Winny FanOriginally Posted By: ILPredHunter12Originally Posted By: Winny FanOriginally Posted By: ILPredHunter12Originally Posted By: Winny FanThis is just me, but I'd stay away from any plastic tipped varmint bullets for coyotes.

Don't mean to thread jack here or be confrontational or anything. But may I ask why?

Because the thin jacketed plastic tipped bullets are designed for rapid expansion on small varmints like pd's and ground hogs. On larger predators like coyotes, if you hit bone with a plastic tipped bullet they likely won't get inside the body cavity to insure a quick humane kill. The chances of bullet splash is far greater, even when its just a rib bone that is hit.

A well-built HP or lead tipped bullet is far more effective and reliable for getting inside of coyotes, especially when bones are hit. And contrary to internet myths, neither a HP or a lead tipped bullet will cause you to miss a coyote at extended ranges that you would otherwise hit while using a "high bc" plastic tipped bullet.

Gotcha. Thank you for the insight. I personally haven't had an issue with a tipped bullet. But I can definitely see that it could be an issue. Thank you again!

Glad to help on insight. No bullet is perfect, but some have an edge on others in terms of reliable performance.

I fully expected at least one poster to walk by saying it wasn't an issue, but to each his own on experiences. I'll stick with HP or lead tipped bullets because they work, and they don't handicap a shooter one bit in a ballistic sense at normal hunting ranges. Contrary to what the internet tells you.

For sure! If we all did it the same then there would be no point in having discussions, ya know? I will say that I have heard "horror stories" on the tipped bullets from a couple people but personally, all good for me. Doesn't mean that can't or won't change.

Have a wonderful weekend and enjoyed the discussion! Happy hunting!
 
Originally Posted By: Winny Fan
Glad to help on insight. No bullet is perfect, but some have an edge on others in terms of reliable performance.

I fully expected at least one poster to walk by saying it wasn't an issue, but to each his own on experiences. I'll stick with HP or lead tipped bullets because they work, and they don't handicap a shooter one bit in a ballistic sense at normal hunting ranges. Contrary to what the internet tells you.

If you don't really have all that much experience hunting/shooting coyotes isn't your information based off of exactly what you're complaining about, just whatever you have Googled up on the internet?

As I said to you awhile back over on the other forum you post on, but under your other screen name, all you really do is take pot shots at others, I guess in an attempt to make you feel better about yourself, but what you post is nothing more than basic internet Googled information.

It's always the ones that scream foul the loudest that are, themselves, the ones committing the foul.
 
I like to shoot a bullet with a lot of speed, so some of the poly tip bullet COULD fail. For this reason, I have shot the 55g Nosler Ballistic tip with it's thick base, it will penetrate unlike some other plastic tip bullets. I shot a coyote in the head at 320 yards on a P. dog hunt with a 50g Nosler ballistic tip out of a long barrel 22/250 Ai with a MV of 4200 fps. The bullet impact was right above the left eye and it did not exit the skull. He hit the ground with P. dog in his mouth, I have a pic somewhere of him.

I would add that I usually was shooting a Hot load in a 22/250 at 3750, a Swift at 3900 or a 22/250 AI at 4050 fps. I had great luck with 55g Noslers, All 55g Sierra's other than their blitz and blitz kings.

For those of you that have not tried it in a 223 bolt gun, the Sierra 55g Lead tip blitz at 3300-3500 in a 14 T just blows a coyote up....about like a 270 Win with 90g Sierra going 3500.

I had a slug of 60g Sierra's that are rather tough, I chambered a 23" Hart 14T with a .020 freebore 22/243 AI reamer and the accuracy is in the sub 3/8" area and less with three shot groups at 4000 fps using Win 760 in PMC brass. I could not get any 55g to work well with normal powders with any speed, gave up on the 55's as it was obvious that I had a large case capacity and needed all the bullet weigh that my 14T could stand.

Having lived in Az for years, it was always possible to call in a lion, you need some decent bullet construction in case you hit a thick rib, shoulder, or hip on a run away shot. 55g Sierra lead tips will get the job done, so will 55g Hornady sp, and the toughest of the 55g Sierra line is their 55g BTHP.

On the flip side, if you drop down to 223 velocities, RPM's are less, and penetration is greater.

My favorite short range 223 bullet is a 55g Winchester lead tip behind a hot load of Benchmark at 3400 in a bolt gun. Energy dump and penetration are about perfect with the 55g Winchester at speeds of 3050 to 3450 fps, buy a case if you can find any.

I had friends that I hunted with that used the 55g Hornady V max in their 700 223's, and they did not have trouble, but I gave them heck all the time! I think their load was 26g of H335 with a cci 400 Hee Hee!

I always liked trying different bullets, just for the heck of it...keeps the monotony down. My rule was kill 5 coyotes in a row with the same bullet before you form an opinion. Quartering shots, coming and going are a challenge, distance, spinners and nippers noted. Surface fragmentation was more rare than bullets penciling through with no expansion.

As yardage approached 200 yards and beyond, I got more nippers and spinners with 22 caliber 40g bullets, but the 45g Sierra High velocity spt is in another league...designed for the 220 Swift.
 
Originally Posted By: B23Originally Posted By: Winny Fan
Glad to help on insight. No bullet is perfect, but some have an edge on others in terms of reliable performance.

I fully expected at least one poster to walk by saying it wasn't an issue, but to each his own on experiences. I'll stick with HP or lead tipped bullets because they work, and they don't handicap a shooter one bit in a ballistic sense at normal hunting ranges. Contrary to what the internet tells you.

If you don't really have all that much experience hunting/shooting coyotes isn't your information based off of exactly what you're complaining about, just whatever you have Googled up on the internet?

As I said to you awhile back over on the other forum you post on, but under your other screen name, all you really do is take pot shots at others, I guess in an attempt to make you feel better about yourself, but what you post is nothing more than basic internet Googled information.

It's always the ones that scream foul the loudest that are, themselves, the ones committing the foul.

Maybe having a bad weekend or is your frustration about a discussion that I had with another poster here?

The person who asked the question seemed to take my response that I posted up far better than you are - aren't for some reason. What was it about my answer that offended you the most? I'm glad that you apparently feel better about yourself now, however.

Your post makes for a great internet theatrics at the moment, even when you're out in left field with it. I'm smiling. Did you Google your story line or did you just wing it since you believe that I Googled my response? When plastic tipped bullets became the craze, I tried them and went back to HP's in a 22-250. I apologize in advance for saying that if that makes you angry for some reason.

And if you're a plastic tipped shooter, please shoot whatever bullets you think are best for you. I hope its okay if I do the same? I'm guessing from your response that you've filled a couple of big 18 wheel trucks with coyote carcasses while maybe I've only shot one coyote in my entire life? I bow to your obvious prowess.

Ye gads!
 
Good informative post, ackleyman. I hope you don't get accused of Gooogling your response because it ruined someone's day.
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Like you, for years I've had good luck with the Sierra 55 grain BTHP bullet with the 52 grainer, a supposed target bullet according to Sierra, running a close second in a 22-250 or a 220 Swift.
 
I and hunting partners killed a LOT of coyotes with a 52g "Sierra Match King" in a 220 Swift with 38g of IMR 4064. There was a Jack Rabbit population explosion in S. Ca all through N. Nevada from 1976-1993, and I shot the barrels out of 4 swifts with the above load. Then met a gunsmith from San Diego that was a Swift freek, and he was shooting 44-44.5g of AA2700 with the 50g Ballistic tips on crows and the Sierra spt on Coyotes, solid 4000 fps shooting bug holes. Where ever you found a lot of rabbits, you found a lot of coyotes, and we used howlers to call them in, not a screaming rabbit call.

When we went to Mexico, we were limited to 50 rounds per gun. So, I would load 25 with one bullet, and 25 with another bullet. Worst weekend down there was 13 and highest was 56...we did some bullet testing! All the Mexican Hunted ended around 1992 with a new Mexican President that passed a law where each hunting group had to have a "Guide". So, I moved to Arizona.
 
Originally Posted By: Winny FanOriginally Posted By: B23Originally Posted By: Winny Fan
Glad to help on insight. No bullet is perfect, but some have an edge on others in terms of reliable performance.

I fully expected at least one poster to walk by saying it wasn't an issue, but to each his own on experiences. I'll stick with HP or lead tipped bullets because they work, and they don't handicap a shooter one bit in a ballistic sense at normal hunting ranges. Contrary to what the internet tells you.

If you don't really have all that much experience hunting/shooting coyotes isn't your information based off of exactly what you're complaining about, just whatever you have Googled up on the internet?

As I said to you awhile back over on the other forum you post on, but under your other screen name, all you really do is take pot shots at others, I guess in an attempt to make you feel better about yourself, but what you post is nothing more than basic internet Googled information.

It's always the ones that scream foul the loudest that are, themselves, the ones committing the foul.

Maybe having a bad weekend or is your frustration about a discussion that I had with another poster here?

The person who asked the question seemed to take my response that I posted up far better than you are - aren't for some reason. What was it about my answer that offended you the most? I'm glad that you apparently feel better about yourself now, however.

Your post makes for a great internet theatrics at the moment, even when you're out in left field with it. I'm smiling. Did you Google your story line or did you just wing it since you believe that I Googled my response? When plastic tipped bullets became the craze, I tried them and went back to HP's in a 22-250. I apologize in advance for saying that if that makes you angry for some reason.

And if you're a plastic tipped shooter, please shoot whatever bullets you think are best for you. I hope its okay if I do the same? I'm guessing from your response that you've filled a couple of big 18 wheel trucks with coyote carcasses while maybe I've only shot one coyote in my entire life? I bow to your obvious prowess.

Ye gads!


I've used a variety of different bullets to shoot coyotes over the years. I'm not a pelt saver so about any bullet I can use to reach its mark and shoots well in my gun/s is good with me. I've used a variety of Vmax bullets, 53gr Vmax in particular, in a variety of calibers with fine results. Used lots of Berger's as well. Had some interesting results with 75gr VLD's from a 22-6mm but nonetheless coyotes always died from them.

With regard to plastic tipped bullets I would agree with ackleyman and if you're concerned about the explosive nature of a plastic tipped bullet but you still want to shoot them the Nosler BT is a good choice. I used to use a lot of 40gr BT's in my 223's and they worked well. Sierra's Blitzking's are pretty explosive yet many still have very good results with them and I know quite a few guys that their go to bullet for their 20 cals is the 39gr BK's.

It's funny how when you get called out you always try and divert the subject or turn the attention to something else.
 
I would have responded to ackleyman's post exactly like I did, with or without you theatrics. So no truck loads of coyotes in your experience?

Are you still mad because maybe a year ago here I said I didn't like the Savage BMag rifle?

Enjoy the remainder of your weekend. May it be free of any further stress.
 
I would have to put myself in the "hater" camp, in regards to plastic tips and coyotes. In general.

But... Real life doesn't always conform to "general".

Without going into any history of how I got there... I run 55 B-tips in my 6/284 and it's as close to a sure thing for knocking down a coyote as anything I have ever seen. Anything more than clipping a toe nail with it and a coyote is going to be mighty ill, right on the spot.

I run 60 B-tips at 3000 fps in my Rock River AR. Very few coyotes have taken a hit and gotten away with that load. A lot of them have taken more than one hit to put down for good. But, that's with bad first hits. The first hit, even when bad, has incapacitated/slowed them down enough that I have almost always been able to get another one in them to finish. I have found that with the AR, I just get a huge kick out of letting coyotes run right over the caller and then just hosing them down as they run by at close range. Lends itself to some, less than elegant, kills. But, not very many escape and it's a total hoot.

- DAA
 
Originally Posted By: Winny FanI would have responded to ackleyman's post exactly like I did, with or without you theatrics. So no truck loads of coyotes in your experience?

Are you still mad because maybe a year ago here I said I didn't like the Savage BMag rifle?

Enjoy the remainder of your weekend. May it be free of any further stress.

"I have hunted all my life - deer, etc. and birds- but I never really got into serious coyote hunting. Now that I have retired, I want to branch out into coyote hunting as there seems to be quite a few around where I now live.

My question is, what caliber of bolt action rifle would you recommend for a new coyote hunter. My rifles currently are all older pre-64 Winchesters or Sako larger caliber (264 Win Mag and bigger) rifles for big game hunting or lever guns (old and replicas) of various calibers from 25-20 to 357 Magnum to 45-70. So I guess I'm asking your opinion about a fast flat shooting rifle. As my name here indicates, I like Winchesters, but I would buy something else in a coyote rifle if recommended.

Any opinions on Browning rifles? They have caught my eye. Also Tikka rifles seem to have a good price. Any others?

Thanks for any help given."

That's your post from 2011. Doesn't read like someone who knows a lot about shooting coyotes. But now all of a sudden you're an expert on the subject and you want to tell others which bullets to stay away from.

As for your truck load of coyotes or Bmag comment/s that's your typical diversion BS in an attempt to steer things away from the fact you have little experience on the subject except whatever you've read or googled from others.

I don't recall ever even having a conversation with you about a Bmag and if someone calls them a POS I generally agree. Maybe you should Google that too.
 
Originally Posted By: B23Originally Posted By: Winny FanI would have responded to ackleyman's post exactly like I did, with or without you theatrics. So no truck loads of coyotes in your experience?

Are you still mad because maybe a year ago here I said I didn't like the Savage BMag rifle?

Enjoy the remainder of your weekend. May it be free of any further stress.

"I have hunted all my life - deer, etc. and birds- but I never really got into serious coyote hunting. Now that I have retired, I want to branch out into coyote hunting as there seems to be quite a few around where I now live.

My question is, what caliber of bolt action rifle would you recommend for a new coyote hunter. My rifles currently are all older pre-64 Winchesters or Sako larger caliber (264 Win Mag and bigger) rifles for big game hunting or lever guns (old and replicas) of various calibers from 25-20 to 357 Magnum to 45-70. So I guess I'm asking your opinion about a fast flat shooting rifle. As my name here indicates, I like Winchesters, but I would buy something else in a coyote rifle if recommended.

Any opinions on Browning rifles? They have caught my eye. Also Tikka rifles seem to have a good price. Any others?

Thanks for any help given."

That's your post from 2011. Doesn't read like someone who knows a lot about shooting coyotes. But now all of a sudden you're an expert on the subject and you want to tell others which bullets to stay away from.

As for your truck load of coyotes or Bmag comment/s that's your typical diversion BS in an attempt to steer things away from the fact you have little experience on the subject except whatever you've read or googled from others.

I don't recall ever even having a conversation with you about a Bmag and if someone calls them a POS I generally agree. Maybe you should Google that too.

You're suddenly the one with the lack on memory, so maybe you should google it. For me, Googling BMag information would be like kissing your sister, at best.

As for my quoted 2011 post, maybe your reading comprehension, or more likely, your total knowledge about me isn't the best. Notice that I said "serious" coyote hunting. I came here to learn more about calling in coyotes at night wherever coyotes exist with suitable rifle questions for the task. With retirement I had time to travel outside of normal hunting seasons. It was not something that I had done a lot of (night calling with electronic callers) even though coyotes were plentiful in NC Texas where I grew up and lived. As you quoted me saying, I had actually shot them for years with everything from 22 LR to 22 CF's and on up to big game calibers. And hand guns. But that didn't keep me from asking. It wasn't like I suddenly wanted to learn how to play golf at age 65 with absolutely no experience. And I had long ago seen bullet splash on coyotes with plastic tipped bullets even though "scraggly" was probably the best way to describe the coyotes I'd seen it happen to.

My "standard coyote rifles" at that time, if I had any, were well-used 4-wheeler rifles; a Colt AR-15, a push feed Model 70 FW in 22-250, and a 700 BDL in 6MM Rem. I purposefully left them out of the equation to get unbiased opinions on good calling equipment of all kinds, which a few people here readily supplied. I was newly retired so I was interested in some expert opinions on calling gear and fire power for places other than NC Texas. I truly hope that's okay.
 
Originally Posted By: Winny FanOriginally Posted By: B23Originally Posted By: Winny FanI would have responded to ackleyman's post exactly like I did, with or without you theatrics. So no truck loads of coyotes in your experience?

Are you still mad because maybe a year ago here I said I didn't like the Savage BMag rifle?

Enjoy the remainder of your weekend. May it be free of any further stress.

"I have hunted all my life - deer, etc. and birds- but I never really got into serious coyote hunting. Now that I have retired, I want to branch out into coyote hunting as there seems to be quite a few around where I now live.

My question is, what caliber of bolt action rifle would you recommend for a new coyote hunter. My rifles currently are all older pre-64 Winchesters or Sako larger caliber (264 Win Mag and bigger) rifles for big game hunting or lever guns (old and replicas) of various calibers from 25-20 to 357 Magnum to 45-70. So I guess I'm asking your opinion about a fast flat shooting rifle. As my name here indicates, I like Winchesters, but I would buy something else in a coyote rifle if recommended.

Any opinions on Browning rifles? They have caught my eye. Also Tikka rifles seem to have a good price. Any others?

Thanks for any help given."

That's your post from 2011. Doesn't read like someone who knows a lot about shooting coyotes. But now all of a sudden you're an expert on the subject and you want to tell others which bullets to stay away from.

As for your truck load of coyotes or Bmag comment/s that's your typical diversion BS in an attempt to steer things away from the fact you have little experience on the subject except whatever you've read or googled from others.

I don't recall ever even having a conversation with you about a Bmag and if someone calls them a POS I generally agree. Maybe you should Google that too.

You're suddenly the one with the lack on memory, so maybe you should google it. For me, Googling BMag information would be like kissing your sister, at best.

As for my quoted 2011 post, maybe your reading comprehension, or more likely, your total knowledge about me isn't the best. Notice that I said "serious" coyote hunting. I came here to learn more about calling in coyotes at night wherever coyotes exist with suitable rifle questions for the task. With retirement I had time to travel outside of normal hunting seasons. It was not something that I had done a lot of (night calling with electronic callers) even though coyotes were plentiful in NC Texas where I grew up and lived. As you quoted me saying, I had actually shot them for years with everything from 22 LR to 22 CF's and on up to big game calibers. And hand guns. But that didn't keep me from asking. It wasn't like I suddenly wanted to learn how to play golf at age 65 with absolutely no experience. And I had long ago seen bullet splash on coyotes with plastic tipped bullets even though "scraggly" was probably the best way to describe the coyotes I'd seen it happen to.

My "standard coyote rifles" at that time, if I had any, were well-used 4-wheeler rifles; a Colt AR-15, a push feed Model 70 FW in 22-250, and a 700 BDL in 6MM Rem. I purposefully left them out of the equation to get unbiased opinions on good calling equipment of all kinds, which a few people here readily supplied. I was newly retired so I was interested in some expert opinions on calling gear and fire power for places other than NC Texas. I truly hope that's okay.

I think it's your reading comprehension that is lacking because your version or your interpretation of what you said then is a lot different than what you're claiming now and your own words are right there in front of you to read and go off of but I'll definitely give you an A+ for attempting to spin it in a way that makes you look less full of it. Nice try with that but anyone that reads, your words, can see for themselves what you're all about.
 
Originally Posted By: B23Originally Posted By: Winny FanOriginally Posted By: B23Originally Posted By: Winny FanI would have responded to ackleyman's post exactly like I did, with or without you theatrics. So no truck loads of coyotes in your experience?

Are you still mad because maybe a year ago here I said I didn't like the Savage BMag rifle?

Enjoy the remainder of your weekend. May it be free of any further stress.

"I have hunted all my life - deer, etc. and birds- but I never really got into serious coyote hunting. Now that I have retired, I want to branch out into coyote hunting as there seems to be quite a few around where I now live.

My question is, what caliber of bolt action rifle would you recommend for a new coyote hunter. My rifles currently are all older pre-64 Winchesters or Sako larger caliber (264 Win Mag and bigger) rifles for big game hunting or lever guns (old and replicas) of various calibers from 25-20 to 357 Magnum to 45-70. So I guess I'm asking your opinion about a fast flat shooting rifle. As my name here indicates, I like Winchesters, but I would buy something else in a coyote rifle if recommended.

Any opinions on Browning rifles? They have caught my eye. Also Tikka rifles seem to have a good price. Any others?

Thanks for any help given."

That's your post from 2011. Doesn't read like someone who knows a lot about shooting coyotes. But now all of a sudden you're an expert on the subject and you want to tell others which bullets to stay away from.

As for your truck load of coyotes or Bmag comment/s that's your typical diversion BS in an attempt to steer things away from the fact you have little experience on the subject except whatever you've read or googled from others.

I don't recall ever even having a conversation with you about a Bmag and if someone calls them a POS I generally agree. Maybe you should Google that too.

You're suddenly the one with the lack on memory, so maybe you should google it. For me, Googling BMag information would be like kissing your sister, at best.

As for my quoted 2011 post, maybe your reading comprehension, or more likely, your total knowledge about me isn't the best. Notice that I said "serious" coyote hunting. I came here to learn more about calling in coyotes at night wherever coyotes exist with suitable rifle questions for the task. With retirement I had time to travel outside of normal hunting seasons. It was not something that I had done a lot of (night calling with electronic callers) even though coyotes were plentiful in NC Texas where I grew up and lived. As you quoted me saying, I had actually shot them for years with everything from 22 LR to 22 CF's and on up to big game calibers. And hand guns. But that didn't keep me from asking. It wasn't like I suddenly wanted to learn how to play golf at age 65 with absolutely no experience. And I had long ago seen bullet splash on coyotes with plastic tipped bullets even though "scraggly" was probably the best way to describe the coyotes I'd seen it happen to.

My "standard coyote rifles" at that time, if I had any, were well-used 4-wheeler rifles; a Colt AR-15, a push feed Model 70 FW in 22-250, and a 700 BDL in 6MM Rem. I purposefully left them out of the equation to get unbiased opinions on good calling equipment of all kinds, which a few people here readily supplied. I was newly retired so I was interested in some expert opinions on calling gear and fire power for places other than NC Texas. I truly hope that's okay.

I think it's your reading comprehension that is lacking because your version or your interpretation of what you said then is a lot different than what you're claiming now and your own words are right there in front of you to read and go off of but I'll definitely give you an A+ for attempting to spin it in a way that makes you look less full of it. Nice try with that but anyone that reads, your words, can see for themselves what you're all about.



I feel bad that somehow you feel threatened by me. ??
 
Originally Posted By: Winny FanOriginally Posted By: B23Originally Posted By: Winny FanOriginally Posted By: B23Originally Posted By: Winny FanI would have responded to ackleyman's post exactly like I did, with or without you theatrics. So no truck loads of coyotes in your experience?

Are you still mad because maybe a year ago here I said I didn't like the Savage BMag rifle?

Enjoy the remainder of your weekend. May it be free of any further stress.

"I have hunted all my life - deer, etc. and birds- but I never really got into serious coyote hunting. Now that I have retired, I want to branch out into coyote hunting as there seems to be quite a few around where I now live.

My question is, what caliber of bolt action rifle would you recommend for a new coyote hunter. My rifles currently are all older pre-64 Winchesters or Sako larger caliber (264 Win Mag and bigger) rifles for big game hunting or lever guns (old and replicas) of various calibers from 25-20 to 357 Magnum to 45-70. So I guess I'm asking your opinion about a fast flat shooting rifle. As my name here indicates, I like Winchesters, but I would buy something else in a coyote rifle if recommended.

Any opinions on Browning rifles? They have caught my eye. Also Tikka rifles seem to have a good price. Any others?

Thanks for any help given."

That's your post from 2011. Doesn't read like someone who knows a lot about shooting coyotes. But now all of a sudden you're an expert on the subject and you want to tell others which bullets to stay away from.

As for your truck load of coyotes or Bmag comment/s that's your typical diversion BS in an attempt to steer things away from the fact you have little experience on the subject except whatever you've read or googled from others.

I don't recall ever even having a conversation with you about a Bmag and if someone calls them a POS I generally agree. Maybe you should Google that too.

You're suddenly the one with the lack on memory, so maybe you should google it. For me, Googling BMag information would be like kissing your sister, at best.

As for my quoted 2011 post, maybe your reading comprehension, or more likely, your total knowledge about me isn't the best. Notice that I said "serious" coyote hunting. I came here to learn more about calling in coyotes at night wherever coyotes exist with suitable rifle questions for the task. With retirement I had time to travel outside of normal hunting seasons. It was not something that I had done a lot of (night calling with electronic callers) even though coyotes were plentiful in NC Texas where I grew up and lived. As you quoted me saying, I had actually shot them for years with everything from 22 LR to 22 CF's and on up to big game calibers. And hand guns. But that didn't keep me from asking. It wasn't like I suddenly wanted to learn how to play golf at age 65 with absolutely no experience. And I had long ago seen bullet splash on coyotes with plastic tipped bullets even though "scraggly" was probably the best way to describe the coyotes I'd seen it happen to.

My "standard coyote rifles" at that time, if I had any, were well-used 4-wheeler rifles; a Colt AR-15, a push feed Model 70 FW in 22-250, and a 700 BDL in 6MM Rem. I purposefully left them out of the equation to get unbiased opinions on good calling equipment of all kinds, which a few people here readily supplied. I was newly retired so I was interested in some expert opinions on calling gear and fire power for places other than NC Texas. I truly hope that's okay.

I think it's your reading comprehension that is lacking because your version or your interpretation of what you said then is a lot different than what you're claiming now and your own words are right there in front of you to read and go off of but I'll definitely give you an A+ for attempting to spin it in a way that makes you look less full of it. Nice try with that but anyone that reads, your words, can see for themselves what you're all about.



I feel bad that somehow you feel threatened by me. ??

Oh yes I'm definitely threatened by someone that sits up in the cheap seats waiting for an opportunity to make their snide hateful comments in an attempt to make themselves look superior.
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You provide little to nothing on this forum except whatever you've googled or read from someone else then try and pass yourself off as an authority on the subject. As I said before all anyone has to do is read your own words and they'll quickly realize what you're all about.

And because you are so predictable I'm sure you'll retort with some nonsense that has absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand.
 
Originally Posted By: SoganCoyote gun with a Zeus prefit. Probably factory ammo only and more than likely I’ll be shooting the 50-55gr rounds as I want the flattest shooting round possible with still being able to fight the wind a little bit and it’s tough to find factory ammo in higher grains. Open corn fields around here so wind can vary quite a bit from day to day. Am I looking at the right grain of bullets and if so that twist do I want for those? 1:12? 1:14?

Easy answer, 14 twist. If you're running factory, and will be going 50-55 grain, go standard, 1-14. IF your going to be reloading and want to run something a little heavier and want options, go with a quicker prefit, 10 or even 8 twist. I've been running an 8 twist for quite a few years and have had absolutely no issues with accuracy out of 50 grain jacketed bullets.
 
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