300 yds w/17 hmr..1500 yd dogs..I finally figgured I am just a piss poor shot and had some of the worst preforming shooten irons in existence. Tight necks, match chambers,perfect reloads could not possibly outpreform their smoke poles that come right out of the box. Maybe a lucky shot now and then,,but these daring feats of markmanship are preformed on an everyday basis. P. dog shots will called of the right bank [rock] to the left bank[stone] to the end bank [old car] to the 8 ball [P. dog]