What Is the Oldest Firearm You Have Shot?

hm1996

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Found this thread on another forum and it brought out some really interesting posts & pictures. Let's see some of yours.

In 1950 or 51, I started hanging out at a gunsmith shop who enjoyed mentoring youngsters. Working part time after school, finances were very limited but my friend had a good eye for old (cheap) guns that provided great affordable candidates to be used in his "Gunsmithing 101" night school. My first project was a well worn Model 92 Winchester 38-40 with a shot out barrel that he rescued from the scrap bin. What an opportunity he provided for a many a youngster and I was fortunate enough to have had him for a lifelong friend. He carefully supervised replacing the barrel, reblueing and hand rubbed oil finishing of the stock, patiently stepping in on the more complicated operations. I sure miss you Werth, RIP.

Next project was restoration of a 58 cal. percussion rifled musket, civil war era. That one didn't require a lot of restoration other than lapping the barrel, which was in very good condition. Unfortunately, as someone else once said, "it was capable of minute of backstop" accuracy only, and that was on medium to large size backstops. Enjoyed playing with it a while but gave up on it before I learned that I was using approximately 3 times the normal powder charge used w/patched ball. No wonder it was inaccurate!
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In 1954 my boss picked up an old 12 ga. percussion shotgun and my gunsmith friend/mentor supervised the considerable restoration as a high school graduation present! What a boss and friend! The old gun was over 100 years old, barrels were full of ant nests, nipples were corroded away, one hammer was cracked badly, but complete except for the missing ram rod, fortunately all springs were good and stock was not cracked. Once restoration was completed, it had to be proofed because I had every intention of shooting it. Tapped the nipple holes with 5/16 sae and made new nipples from machine bolt and used a dowel for the ram rod, attached a piece of copper tubing, flared on end and poured full of lead.
Range day, I was having 2nd thoughts about the proofing, but, as instructed, poured a fired 12 ga. shotgun shell full of FFFg powder in each barrel, tamped down under half a kleenex, then 1.5 oz of #6 shot w/other half of kleenex over shot wad gently pushed into place. Lashed the old gun down to an old 18 wheeler tire and placed cap on one barrel. Using 20' or so of nylon line while hiding behind the target house reluctantly pulled the string. The blast didn't sound like any 12 ga. I had ever heard as I ran from my hidey hole, fanning away the large cloud of smoke before I could even see the results, I was almost afraid of what I was about to see!
The recoil had flipped both the shotgun and the tire 180* with tire on top. Careful inspection revealed everything had held. I must admit to arguing with myself about maybe just proofing that one barrel, considering all the work and time spent on the hand rubbed oil finish, but reluctantly flipped it over and fired the other barrel, which also passed the test. Shot a lot of blackbirds and dove with the old gun over the years.
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One afternoon, the whitewing doves were flying good and I made it a practice of only firing only one barrel, removing cap on the loaded barrel and reloading 2nd barrel after having many birds catch me w/both barrels empty while reloading. That way, if a floater came by, all I had to do was cap the loaded barrel and shoot. That worked very well, until it didn't. I got caught packing the powder in an empty barrel when a floater drifted by in easy range. I just left the rod in the partially loaded barrel, slapped a cap on and fired at the "gimme".
Don't know who was the most surprised, me or the bird, but I had gotten confused as to which barrel was loaded and shot the ramrod at the bird. The ramrod was tumbling end over end, making a distinctive whistling noise as it passed inches in front of the bird. He was executing some of the most admirable aeronautics even a stunt pilot would admire as he flew off into the sunset without even a ruffled feather. I swear I heard him chuckle a bit. Luckily, after looking around to see if anyone was watching, I retrieved my ramrod which was impaled in a soft furrow of the plowed field, dusted it off and was able to finish out the day.

Let's see some of the old guns you guys have played with over the years.
 
HM1996, those are some great memories, most of mine are still making memories.

Somewhere back in time it started as a muzzle loading shotgun and was converted to a breech loader. The barrels still have the marks from the ramrod thimbles and the forend the hole and furniture for the ramrod. The barrels are Damascus and English. I bought in college and killed a pile of game with it, ducks, geese, pheasant , grouse and woodcock.
I still have it hanging on my BinL wall, his livingroom is sort of museum, he has some of my traps and trapping equipment and my ice harvesting saws, spuds and tongs.
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My old 10ga English sidelever sxs from the 1870's. it is in good shootable condition and I have waterfowl, upland/target and predator loads I've worked up for it.
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Not real old, 1906 German drilling 16ga/16ga/9.3x72R, I've used it in 16ga sxs clay games and hunted with it.
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And a 1926 drilling in 16ga/16ga/6.5x58R Sauer and Son it is one of my goto coyote hunting rigs
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I do have a 300th anniversary Berretta o/u percussion shotgun that is a replica of the shotgun they built in 1840. I hunted waterfowl and grouse with it for a number of years. Plus a handbuilt 54cal southern mountain flintlock that looks original.

The old-timers can still hold their own today.
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I was hoping you would post some of your old guns, Erich. Those are some real beauties, thanks so much for sharing. (y) (y)

Would love to see the old .54 flintlock if you have any pics. I'm primarily a rilfleman and did go through the frontstuffer stage, but the 12 ga. is the only original I ever had. Every time I shoot my percussions, I always think of those guys shooting flintlocks back in the day without glasses. Can't help but wonder how many suffered eye damage what with that flintlock so close to their face.:ROFLMAO:
 
I spoke of the inaccuracy of the old .58 musket above. Now for the rest of the story.........
At the time I got the old gun, if there was any loading data availble, I was not aware of it. The only thing I had as a guide was the books I had read of the old timers measuring their charge on the fly by placing a ball in their palm and pouring a conical pile of powder to cover the ball. Seemed simple enough. Well, a .58 caliber ball is a BIG ball, requiring a lot of powder to bury it! Wound up using a fired 45-70 case full, which would probably be at least 110 grains.
Shooting at an 18" square target @ 100 yards, seldom hit paper, but noticed the ball was striking backstop directly behind the target???? Shooting in the field at various ranges, sometimes it was right on, others, not so much.

Took a friend to the range with me and fired a shot with him spotting from behind me w/binoculars (no scope needed to see the .58 hole @ 100. :ROFLMAO: After I fired, he said,"you won't believe this!" and swore the ball traveled downrange on about a foot and a half corkscrew path, completely avoiding the 100 yard target. He was right, I didn't believe him.

Reloaded the rifle and watched over his shoulder as he shot........sure enough, that huge .58 ball, travelling so slowly was clearly visible w/binoculars and the corkscrew path circled around the 100 yard target, striking the 120 yard backstop directly behind the target. No wonder it was on target at various ranges in the field.
That's when I gave up and sold the thing. Later learned the load was way heavy, not to mention I should have experimented w/patch thickness and could most likely have resolved the issue. Well, as they say "too soon old, too late smart".
 
My 12ga smooth bore cape gun would shoot 6" groups with a .690 ball and a greased buckskin patch. My flintguns much better when I could still shoot open sights.

I'll try and get some pics today.

The Beretta O/U muzzle loading 12ga
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My 54 flint circa 1975 made by Jim Rue I traded an Ithaca/SKB Model 100 for it
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My wifes 54 Flintlock "Killbuck" Made by Ted Fellows

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I don't ever remember even getting burnt by a flintlock going off. The priming charge is small and pretty much is consumed. There is blow out coming out of the touch hole and you usually announce "Right Flint" or "Left flint" when you shooting in a group to warn the shooter adjacent to you.

I did shoot with some folks that shot 20ga smoothbore flint Northwest Trade guns that were quite accurate rivalling rifled MZLs.
 
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I don't ever remember even getting burnt by a flintlock going off. The priming charge is small and pretty much is consumed. There is blow out coming out of the touch hole and you usually announce "Right Flint" or "Left flint" when you shooting in a group to warn the shooter adjacent to you.

I did shoot with some folks that shot 20ga smoothbore flint Northwest Trade guns that were quite accurate rivalling rifled MZLs.
Thanks for the pictures, Erich. One would think that, especially when shooting into a wind, one might get unburnt particles of powder blown back. I only shot one flintlock and it was a .69 caliber pistol. I was surprised that there was little to no hang time. Surprisingly, I have never had any schrapnel from the disentegrating percussion caps hit me, either, thanks to the cupped hammer faces.

Shot TC .50 cal Hawken quite a lot until my wife & son gave me a Browning Hawken for Christmas one year. They tried to get the .54 cal. but couldn't find one so it is also .50. Never hunted w/the TC but took the Browning on two (unsuccessful) elk hunts. Amazing how accurate the old Hawkens were. The Browning would shoot 3 shot 100 yard groups just a tad over moa in spite of the iron sights.
Colorado required iron sights so I put an aperture rear on the Browning.
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2000, had a bull tag and saw the Hartford bull on the next ridge but couldn't entice him away from his harem. 2001 had a cow tag and that was a hoot! It was snowing and I was worried about mis or hang fires so borrowed a pop up blind. Set up on a slope, used a split tree limb to scrape out somewhat flat spot for my stool and tried my best to imitate an elk w/mouth call. Surprise of the century a cow stepped out from behind a thick bush no more than 30 yards from the blind and she had me pinpointed. I took advantage each time she was distracted to get the rifle out the small "window", eased the hammer back and set the trigger. Thats when the plan fell apart. My stool slipped off the split branch and unceremoniously dumped me. As I slipped off the stool all I could think about was the hair set trigger and muzzle control! Managed to keep my mitts away from trigger but the muzzle out window managed to shake the blind enought to spook the elk. I sat there and had a good laugh on myself. :ROFLMAO:
 
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