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The COLB doesn't prove he was born in HI. Give a practical reason he won't show his BC.



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The COLB does not prove HI birth.

"Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country."

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The state's own website:
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/index.html
 
An amended birth certificate wouldn’t show a different place of birth unless it can be proven.
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An amendment may be made upon application, but only with the submission of required documentary evidence in support of the amendment. The evidentiary requirements can differ, depending on whether the amendment is court-ordered or, if requested by an individual, whether it materially affects the validity and integrity of the record.

 
The Hawaii “Certification of Live Birth” is inadequate for proving that a person was actually born in HI.

It is not a valid "birth certificate."

And why is that important? Two reasons:

First, Hawaii allows a child to be furnished a “Certification of Live Birth” even if the child was NOT born in Hawaii. Specifically, the Statute reads:

“[sec 338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.”

Secondly, Hawaii government agencies DO NOT necessarily accept the “Certification of Live Birth” as proof that an individual was born in the state of Hawaii.

For example, the Hawaii Department of Home Lands states the following on its website:

“In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.”

Thus, even the State of Hawaii does not accept a computer printout as proof that an individual was actually born in Hawaii.

There is NO LEGITIMATE REASON for him to not produce his actual 1961 "vault copy" birth certificate. He's hiding something, otherwise he'd reveal it.
 
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There is NO LEGITIMATE REASON for him to not produce his actual 1961 "vault copy" birth certificate. He's hiding something, otherwise he'd reveal it.



Exactly, that's the bottom line on the whole thing. There is something on the actual birth certificate that he doesn't want revealed.
Or there is not one in the vault.
If he wasn't born in Hawaii, they don't have a long-term birth certificate to release.
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The BC is the key, but his attorneys also sealed his Occidental College school records, which may show him receiving financial aid as a foreign student. The other elephant in the room is the passport that he traveled to Pakistan with in th early 80's. Why has that information been sealed? The media should be demanding these answers, yet they remain complicit, with a blind eye towards these issues.
This thing stinks all the way around......
 
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“[sec 338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.”



338-17.8 wasn’t on the books until 1981

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Secondly, Hawaii government agencies DO NOT necessarily accept the “Certification of Live Birth” as proof that an individual was born in the state of Hawaii.

For example, the Hawaii Department of Home Lands states the following on its website:

“In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.”

Thus, even the State of Hawaii does not accept a computer printout as proof that an individual was actually born in Hawaii.



you’re making a pretty big leap of logic there Java. What you quote there doesn’t say that DHHL won’t accept a COLB, it says that they require additional information. The focus of DHHL goes beyond birth in Hawaii, it is concerned with people who can prove their Hawaiian roots to before 1778. http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/laws
 
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Or there is not one in the vault.
If he wasn't born in Hawaii, they don't have a long-term birth certificate to release.


“Citing her statutory authority to oversee and maintain Hawaii’s vital records, Fukino said she has “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”
http://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/stories/2008/10/27/daily60.html
 
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Or there is not one in the vault.
If he wasn't born in Hawaii, they don't have a long-term birth certificate to release.


“Citing her statutory authority to oversee and maintain Hawaii’s vital records, Fukino said she has “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”
http://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/stories/2008/10/27/daily60.html



That's pretty open ended. He says he's seen BO's BC but he doesn't say what country it was issued in. It could be a Kenya BC and HI has it on record and issued a COLB.
 
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That's pretty open ended. He says he's seen BO's BC but he doesn't say what country it was issued in. It could be a Kenya BC and HI has it on record and issued a COLB.


That’s interesting speculation. Why would the COLB then list a Hawaiian birthplace? To have the birth records amended they would have to provide proof. Now I’m guessing that trying to prove a Hawaiian birthplace to the health department when they have a British birth certificate from a Kenyan hospital on file would be very difficult.
 
neither parent has to be a citizen. a baby born on US soil is a US citizen, period.

the only question that matters in all this is where was he born? If it was in HI, he's a natural born citizen. If Kenya, not so much.
 
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So, Rim Runner, what's your opinion on why Barack Obama won't simply send a message to Hawaii and have his birth certificate released?
Is he just arrogant?
 
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That's pretty open ended. He says he's seen BO's BC but he doesn't say what country it was issued in. It could be a Kenya BC and HI has it on record and issued a COLB.


That’s interesting speculation. Why would the COLB then list a Hawaiian birthplace? To have the birth records amended they would have to provide proof. Now I’m guessing that trying to prove a Hawaiian birthplace to the health department when they have a British birth certificate from a Kenyan hospital on file would be very difficult.

Now I’m guessing that trying to prove a Hawaiian birthplace to the health department when they have a British birth certificate from a Kenyan hospital on file would be very difficult.

Who said anything about trying to prove a Hawaiian birthplace? His mother probably filed a Kenyan BC to get the COLB, and that is why he won't release it.
 
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So, Rim Runner, what's your opinion on why Barack Obama won't simply send a message to Hawaii and have his birth certificate released?
Is he just arrogant?


Just for the sake of argument lets assume that Obama was born in Hawaii. Now if you were in that position, if someone called you a liar and you gave them proof that your claims were true how would you react when they dismissed that proof? Would you let those people continue having you jumping thru hoops or would you stick to your guns because you know what the truth is?
 
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Who said anything about trying to prove a Hawaiian birthplace? His mother probably filed a Kenyan BC to get the COLB, and that is why he won't release it.


Explain to me how someone walks in to the Hawaiian Health department with a Birth Certificate showing a Kenyan Birth place gets a Hawaiian Birth Certificate showing a Hawaiian birthplace without showing proof of a Hawaiian birth?
 
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Who said anything about trying to prove a Hawaiian birthplace? His mother probably filed a Kenyan BC to get the COLB, and that is why he won't release it.


Explain to me how someone walks in to the Hawaiian Health department with a Birth Certificate showing a Kenyan Birth place gets a Hawaiian Birth Certificate showing a Hawaiian birthplace without showing proof of a Hawaiian birth?

gets a Hawaiian Birth Certificate showing a Hawaiian birthplace without showing proof of a Hawaiian birth?

It is the HI Birth Certificate that we all want to see NOT A COLB. So far we haven't seen a HI BC just a COLB. If you have a HI BC for O, then we will all be happy.
 
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Who said anything about trying to prove a Hawaiian birthplace? His mother probably filed a Kenyan BC to get the COLB, and that is why he won't release it.


Explain to me how someone walks in to the Hawaiian Health department with a Birth Certificate showing a Kenyan Birth place gets a Hawaiian Birth Certificate showing a Hawaiian birthplace without showing proof of a Hawaiian birth?

gets a Hawaiian Birth Certificate showing a Hawaiian birthplace without showing proof of a Hawaiian birth?

It is the HI Birth Certificate that we all want to see NOT A COLB. So far we haven't seen a HI BC just a COLB. If you have a HI BC for O, then we will all be happy.



so what are you looking for besides place of birth?
 
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Who said anything about trying to prove a Hawaiian birthplace? His mother probably filed a Kenyan BC to get the COLB, and that is why he won't release it.


Explain to me how someone walks in to the Hawaiian Health department with a Birth Certificate showing a Kenyan Birth place gets a Hawaiian Birth Certificate showing a Hawaiian birthplace without showing proof of a Hawaiian birth?

gets a Hawaiian Birth Certificate showing a Hawaiian birthplace without showing proof of a Hawaiian birth?

It is the HI Birth Certificate that we all want to see NOT A COLB. So far we haven't seen a HI BC just a COLB. If you have a HI BC for O, then we will all be happy.



so what are you looking for besides place of birth?



Place of birth would be fine.
 
The Certified copy lists it as Hawaii. Are you suggesting that someone born outside of Hawaii could legally have their birth records amended to show that they were born in Hawaii?
 
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The COLB does not prove HI birth.

"Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country."


from the link you provided
“As provided by law (HRS §§338-17.7, 338-20.5), the following persons may apply for an amended certificate of birth:”
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/newbirthcert.html
If you look at the statutes 338-17.7 applies to persons born in Hawaii and 338-20.5 applies to persons adopted by US citizens.
From 338-20.5
“The new certificate of birth shall show the true or probable foreign country of birth,”
 
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