stanimals2, i cant speak for everybody but i carry a custom built bolt gun with a ziess on it and i carry it everyday on the job. i like nice guns and scopes, i've got a safe full of them. if you think i'm part of the problem well so be it. do you drive a new car or pickup, do you have cable tv, do you ever eat out, go on trips, etc. etc. well i dont, i spend mine on the things i like and and i'm sure you spend yours on the things you like so what makes my way the problem?