which should i get ? .204 or 22-250?

Olie,
Yer out of yer mind, the dieing calibers, if they ever make it, are the short mags. they have no use or place that is any better than what exists now,
I have no beef with any of them or the .20 calibers. As a matter of fact I think the shorts are in for a short life. We all like new stuff but time will tell if they have any real use.
For a guy that has no predator calibers in his arsenal( chubbs) obtaining a 22-250 or 223 is the answer. It will be the answer for the next 20 or 30 years.
After a good standard caliber something else may be in mind, after. AFTER.
Read the balistics carefully, the "New" calibers offer very little if anything.
Personally I would not use a 20 caliber on yotes, maybe a Pdog gun, never yotes. I have doubts about 22 calibers and insist on a great bullet. Guys shoot deer with 22's, not me, ever.
But we get to have our own opinion, that is what is good. I will defend your right to that opinion to the death.
Carl
PS. don't ask me about .17 caliber if the game is larger than robins.
 
Gee Fellar's! I am truly sorry for expanding my Logic on yall about them thar itty bitty bullets coming out the tube at 4000fps.

I was once told that true wisdom is nothing more than experience from the past! Ummmmm, Well I reckon I got a few more years of that wisdom than I would like, however facts is facts. The 22-250 is one of the best dog gone calibers a body could ever come by in the way of a perdator or varmint rifle.

I am still stickin to my guns gents! My first one was way back in the 60's, a model 788 Remington that shot mighty fine across those clover and alfalfa pastures. I don't see neary a thing special except hip about those new calibers today. I'll stick with what I know is true backed up with 45 years of experience.....or should I just say a truck load of wisdom?
 
22-250 a dying caliber, hmm, I dont think so. I will always have one and I know a bunch of people that will always have at least one.
 
Exactly,dying, as in Dead,Not that speacial,If its so great a cal. why is it always being improved on ???? Pelt wrecker deluxe,Use smaller bullets Hmmm .17 uses small bullets and is faster.Someone post the windrift chart for yotecaler so he can see that at practical shootin range out to 350 there not that different.
 
Everyone is trying to better the 22-250. All these short mags are great, but they burn the barrels out faster than the 22-250. They try to improve but can't. Every caliber has its use. If you reload I recommend the 22-250, if not then the 223 would be your best choice. 22-250 and 223 will always be available in all gun stores and walmart. Time will show. The 204 appears to be a great caliber. I just don't see jumping on a band wagon that when it loses its steam, leaves me looking for ammo. Hope it sticks around. Just don't see having a future in my rifle cabinet.
 
Barrels burning up in 22-250 ackley imp,or in the new short mags you will not notice the diff its probably so because #s of powder shot erodes the throat,that barrell burn your talking about will outlast your chamber so that is not even a factor in this deal.Most barrels are not shot out but are so fouled they lose accuracy. Back in the 60s rifles from the factory mostly shot like todays Minis with factory ammo. With the selection of barrels and powder today its a much different deal. Tell me how many rounds you think it takes to Burn a barrell up And I dont mean rapid fire heat it up hot that will wreck all of em in a short time,just your average 10 or 20 rounds a day hunting. .223 probably up to 10,000 even 20,000 rounds so Ive heard.I have not personally done this and Im sure accuracy will suffer a little at a time as you shoot but???this can be another post
 
Y'all shoot whatever pleases you, that's how it ought to be.

But, just for the record, the .204 is not effected by the wind any more than the .22-250 is, less actually, and a lot less than the .223 is. At least with typical hunting style bullets and loads.

Don't let the small size of the bullets fool you. The .20 caliber 40 gr. Vmax has a BC of .275, which is higher than the .224 caliber 55 gr. Vmax, and the .204 pill is going faster to boot. Higher BC + higher velocity = less wind drift. Just that simple.

- DAA
 
DAA, I totally agree with you on folks shooting what they like. However...

The thread had Asked for opinions, aka; thus the "Debate" (at least in part) about:

..."22-250 is a dying breed"(Profound statement)

..."dead is dead" (IE; no such thing as splash wounds,less effective rounds & run-a-way yotes).

...".17 has less wind drift than 22-250"(not 204)

..."what do we recommend" (between the 204 & 22-250, which normally would include "WHY").

So, I find it interesting that my 22-250, 50gr Nosler Bal Tip at OVER 3900 fps can be Beat by these other calibers (including energy, wind & penetration).

For example; The Largest yote I ever killed was HUGE at OVER "40lbs" and 80 yards away. The 50gr bullet hit the SHOULDER Dead On, going in and Never exiting. He also Dropped Like A Rock (right in his tracks) which IS A BIG deal & something to be said about the right caliber and bullet.

BTW the 55gr coefficient is 267 for Nosler B.T.

Finally, as already mentioned, it is still too new for Anyone to know or Predict what lies ahead for the 204. And if they do(know), I want to be the first to go to Vegas with him/her and I'm paying (for everything).
 
Yote Assassin,Lets keep it straight,No one said the .17 drifts less than a 250.My opinion is that the difference at practical shooting ranges are very insignificant,The .204 will be a very good caliber and has a lot of good things going for it.I also have some good news for you the 22-250 will outlive you and I and is a flat shooting cal. as is a 17 ,2506 300 mag but if your going to talk ballistics all of the above and quite a few others will perform just as good at practical shooting range.The .17 and .204 will definatly do less fur damage than a 22-250.Just remember some of us have also hunted with that cal. and also with the others,and thats what Im basing my opinion on.Not just because I own one,Im giving the .204 my vote,Thats not saying I dont like the 250
 
All I was trying to point out, is that all the talk about the .204 being blown around by the wind compared to the .22-250, and especially the .223 is just wrong.

A lot of folks might be surprised what the right bullet choice can do for the .17 Rem. in the wind too. It really isn't giving up anything to the '250, believe it or not.

I still kill most of my coyotes with a .22-250 though...

Sorry I butted in. I really don't have an opinion on what someone else ought to use.

It's great to have so many neat choices.

- DAA
 
DAA, you are N-O-T butting in. You're points are very valid and well taken. There is absolutely nothing wrong being able to agree to disagree. What the heck would we have to talk about if we didn't?

It is indeed very nice to have so many choices and is what makes the world go around.

I did finally take (another) look at the ballistics of all 3 and they are interesting. Won't say what I saw or didn't see (for sake of this thread), but is interesting. Lot's of variables go into it that determine the (mixed) results of course and as we all know!

Anyway, Take Care and Happy Shooting
 
Never shot the 204 myself, but I do own 3 250's . One parker-hale, one savage model 12FV and one ruger heavy barrel. There is a reason I have three of em, and that is because I am so comfortable and confident with that round that I know I can be successful with it in the field. The 204 may well be a fine round, but the 250 gets my vote for the all around varmint/predator rig. What you use it for will determine what needs you have, and I think you wouold be very satisfied with a 250. I have shot 200 yd groups with my parker hale that measured 3/4 inch, and that is good enough for me. Remember, accuracy that is achieved by benchrest shooters is not necessarily even close to what the "average hunter" can do with his hunting rifles....if you can cover your shots(3) at 100 yards with a quarter, then it will do pretty much every scenario you will face in the field. All of the coyotes I have taken, have been with a 250....and they dont run off, and they dont go far. Good luck with your choice.
 
OK OK! Let's kiss and make up :rolleyes:

Nah! I got a jealous wife gents. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Now the most accurate varmint caliber at 250 yards was the "Triple Deuce" better known as the .222 caliber. However, the best all around caliber for varmints and predators is still the 22-250 caliber and it is far from being in the grave....FACT!

Now before anybody starts off on a tangent of the Winchester's Dream calibers for the coming century, I would suggest you get a read out on their sales of said calibers. They are NOT setting the world on fire fella's. I read a lot of HIPE just like the .260 Remington when it first came out.

The 300 WSM is NOT going to unseat the 300 Winchester magnum etc. It is not as good a caliber in my opinion and has been around for since the 60's also, like most of those belted magnums used today. So much for GUNRAGS and their articles. Those of us who have been around for awhile, shooting since 1954 mind you. We soon learn not to believe all we read about or hear at the barber shop. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
i have a 22-250 and have shot coyotes prairie dogs
i also have a 17-222 and i have had it for almost a year shot foxes and 1 coyote the coyote was 350 yards and running not to mention 30 mile an hour winds i put the croos on the head and shot him in the font hind quarter to my supprise that bullet
killed him dead.
in comparison both guns will do what you want.
and to be honest i am impressed with the 17 it has
been a test and has done everybit as good as my
22-250 and i seem to enjoy the 17 more not as load
and it has gotton me hooked on 17s.
there all good cals 22-250/222/223/204/17 you just have to decide what you might want.
i like to try differant things and so far i am impressed.
roswell,nm where the wind is always blowing.
 
WoW! Great thread - I think /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Chubbs I dunno if you plan to reload for either cal, (or even if you can yet for the 204) but there is plenty of ammo out for the 22-250.
 
I got to call a SPADE a SPADE! When I read a post telling that said person did in fact kill a coyote on the run at 350 yards in 30 mph winds, it makes my eyebrows turn up a bit. Now I didn't just get off the boat! Perhaps last week but not yesterday.

A coyote running will cover ground at 8 to 12 miles per hour.....FACT = It's a given OK.

Now you figure out how much ground that critter covers in half a second at say 10mph!

Now to say this person put crosshairs on it's head and hit the front rear quarter of the critter is a real good piece of magical BS.
 
Tonk,

Nothing magical about it.

0-150 yds. hold where you want to hit the coyote
150-300 hold on head
300-350 hold on nose

Randy
 
Chubbs,

The .22-250 has been around a very long time and is a proven firearm. There are bunches of them out there so ammo and reloading supplies are readily available. I've never shot not reloaded the .204 so I can't tell you which is better.

On a personal note, if I were to consider buying the .204 I would wait awhile until there was more information available on the round. Hopefully there will be more feedback from real life folks who've bought and tested the round out in the field and not just at a range under controlled conditions with a paper target.

Let us know what you decide.
 
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