Aaron_Proffitt
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Keep in mind also, that H&R/NEF's like all break open single shot rifles (yes...even the revered T/C's) can be sensitive to where you rest the fore end when shooting which makes them appear inconsistent.
who said handi rifles aight accurate!
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JBinMontana
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Originally Posted By: Aaron_ProffittKeep in mind also, that H&R/NEF's like all break open single shot rifles (yes...even the revered T/C's) can be sensitive to where you rest the fore end when shooting which makes them appear inconsistent.
some of us, have never had sensitive issues with our handi rifles. Some swear they can free float a handi rifle like you can a full stock rifle too
What ever floats their boats, but I do know mine is accurate and a shooter.
What ever floats their boats, but I do know mine is accurate and a shooter.
Aaron_Proffitt
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I'm glad for you...but every break action rifle I have ever had, regardless of pedigree, required that when I took a rest I rest the fore end as near the pivot as possible. Really not that big a thing . I still shoot 'em.
Houser in NC
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Nice shooting! My 223 Ultra Varmint shoots good but not that good!
Longcruise
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Quote:25 shot groups
ya got to be kiddn'
why not 100 or 1000
some people
Quote: Seeing that I have never shot at any live targets more than 3 shots, I see no real purpose in shooting 25 rounds for a group, that's just me though.
I want my guns to put the first one from a cold rifle where I want it to go. Maybe the first three. If it shots MOA +/- then I am all set for what I do.
Why not 100 or 1000? Cause 25 is adequate!
With all due respect guys, nobody said to shoot the 25 group non stop or until your barrel burned the bags! Shoot three at a time and let it cool.
It's not about how many shots you take at live targets or where the first one or three go from your cool barrel. My suggestion was purely to determine the true accuracy potential of your rifle. Three shot groups will not tell you. Even averaging a series of four or five three shot groups won't tell you much. Laying the four or five three shot group targets over each other will tell you something though.
I personally use four five shot groups averaged to get an idea of the accuracy of a load or a gun. Even that is not adequate but it is a good indicator. OTOH, my four groups may average exactly 1 moa, but unless everyy group was exactily 1 moa then it's a given that the rifle will not place all shots within 1 moa. Somewhere in that four group scenario was a group larger than 1 moa. Maybe it's 1.25 or 1.5 and that that makes it a 1.25 or 1.5 moa gun/load/shooter. It's only as accurate as the largest group it has ever shot under ideal conditions.
When you shoot a single 25 shot group it will show you the possible outcome of any singular first shot you may take at a live target. IOW, if your rifle shoots a 3" 25 shot group, then you know that when you take a shot at a live target your true possible outcome in terms of shot placement is three moa. You don't know what that given shot's poi will be. You do however know the range of possibility.
If you conclude what the accuracy potential of your gun/load is with a single three shot group, you are just stroking yourself. The "three shot group" is practially institutionalized by the gun rags. It's purely to sell the advertiser's products.
ya got to be kiddn'
why not 100 or 1000
some people
Quote: Seeing that I have never shot at any live targets more than 3 shots, I see no real purpose in shooting 25 rounds for a group, that's just me though.
I want my guns to put the first one from a cold rifle where I want it to go. Maybe the first three. If it shots MOA +/- then I am all set for what I do.
Why not 100 or 1000? Cause 25 is adequate!
With all due respect guys, nobody said to shoot the 25 group non stop or until your barrel burned the bags! Shoot three at a time and let it cool.
It's not about how many shots you take at live targets or where the first one or three go from your cool barrel. My suggestion was purely to determine the true accuracy potential of your rifle. Three shot groups will not tell you. Even averaging a series of four or five three shot groups won't tell you much. Laying the four or five three shot group targets over each other will tell you something though.
I personally use four five shot groups averaged to get an idea of the accuracy of a load or a gun. Even that is not adequate but it is a good indicator. OTOH, my four groups may average exactly 1 moa, but unless everyy group was exactily 1 moa then it's a given that the rifle will not place all shots within 1 moa. Somewhere in that four group scenario was a group larger than 1 moa. Maybe it's 1.25 or 1.5 and that that makes it a 1.25 or 1.5 moa gun/load/shooter. It's only as accurate as the largest group it has ever shot under ideal conditions.
When you shoot a single 25 shot group it will show you the possible outcome of any singular first shot you may take at a live target. IOW, if your rifle shoots a 3" 25 shot group, then you know that when you take a shot at a live target your true possible outcome in terms of shot placement is three moa. You don't know what that given shot's poi will be. You do however know the range of possibility.
If you conclude what the accuracy potential of your gun/load is with a single three shot group, you are just stroking yourself. The "three shot group" is practially institutionalized by the gun rags. It's purely to sell the advertiser's products.
NdIndy
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I'd call a 10 shot group adequate myself. When I'm sighting in for hunting season, I only do 1 shot groups. All I care about is what will happen with a cold/dirty barrel. The rest is just range fun.
As far as free floating a handi, as far as I know physics says it can't be done. I usually listen to physics, seems to know his stuff
I know my .223 handi shoots pretty well and prairie dogs hate it, my 45-70 barrel shoots pretty well, my .243 the few times I've shot it went easily MOD and could use a little work. But I've got 2 other .243 and not enough time to play with it.
I like single shots in some calibers, but I don't plan on taking one to competition. And not just because I don't shoot competition.
As far as free floating a handi, as far as I know physics says it can't be done. I usually listen to physics, seems to know his stuff
I know my .223 handi shoots pretty well and prairie dogs hate it, my 45-70 barrel shoots pretty well, my .243 the few times I've shot it went easily MOD and could use a little work. But I've got 2 other .243 and not enough time to play with it.
I like single shots in some calibers, but I don't plan on taking one to competition. And not just because I don't shoot competition.
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Bob Tobergte
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I've had 2 'Handis' & 4 barrels that were 'Handy'. One was a .223 that was, IMO, very accurate with the white box 45 gr winnies. But they were only as good as I could shoot them.
As far as having the confidence to depend on them was to depend on me.
As far as having the confidence to depend on them was to depend on me.
Canuck Clay
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I have the handie in 204 great shooting gun!!! Vaporizes magpies at 100yrds all day!!! I have it sighted in for 200 and easily still need to find a range to get some 4+ data for myself. The guns a great shooter for the price!! Buy one you will love it!!
calling4life
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Well, at least we know that you know how to use the search function...
carpsniperg2
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I have a 243 that we have been using for deer for years. It's a first deer gun for family and friends. It will shoot 1/2 moa all day long. It always amazes me how well it shoots.
swift one
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I have had a few handis and reloaded for several. The 243 worked a load for gave me some tantrums and never got under 1.75moa at 100yds. I used to own a 223 bull handi and that thing embarrassed a lot of bolts when I ran 50gr pills through it. I miss that rifle. I have a friend that has a 22-250 ultra and it will shoot factory ammo like the poster's. Most handis will shoot with a little tweaking. Some will shoot well right out of the box with factory ammo. A few will do nothing but make you mad no matter what you try.
Yoteless in Ohio
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I have a handi rifle with a 30-06, 243 and 20 guage slug barrel.
The gun is fun, with a great trigger. Never got the rifle barrels to moa, but didn't really try that hard either. It is fine for deer hunting when my kids grow in to them.
The slug barrel has been a terrible disappointment. I have tried almost every premium brand of slugs through it and only get about 4" at 50 yards. I actually like slug hunting with single shots, but this one was not usable.
But I have heard of plenty of instant shooters to know mine is more of an exception than a rule for being average.
The gun is fun, with a great trigger. Never got the rifle barrels to moa, but didn't really try that hard either. It is fine for deer hunting when my kids grow in to them.
The slug barrel has been a terrible disappointment. I have tried almost every premium brand of slugs through it and only get about 4" at 50 yards. I actually like slug hunting with single shots, but this one was not usable.
But I have heard of plenty of instant shooters to know mine is more of an exception than a rule for being average.
Jack Roberts
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"I DUNNO WHY SINGLE SHOTS GET A BAD REP."
Turnbolt single shots have an excellent record, only the break action ones have problems.
Jack
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Turnbolt single shots have an excellent record, only the break action ones have problems.
Jack
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carpsniperg2
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Originally Posted By: coleridgeOriginally Posted By: carpsniperg2 will shoot 1/2 moa all day long
And there it is
Oh I should have said day and night
And there it is
Oh I should have said day and night
carpsniperg2
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It's not really what I would call nice LOL. It is a bit beat up over the years. It is still rocking one of the old school square redfields. I think it has helped harvest 9 first bucks. Several coyotes and other small game animals as well. I don't know what you would like to hear about it. I am happy to fill you in on any info you might like. I am always trying to find a reason not to like it but other then being a bit ugly. I can't say anything bad about it. From handloads to factory anything we have run in it has shot great or amazing. Mine seems to like the heavy side of the 6mm bullet range.
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