Who still uses red lights?

Originally Posted By: jwebster34I can't afford thermal, yet, so was just looking for a few opinions on the newer lights out on the market. I had wicked lights, but they were just okay. I'm looking at Night Eyes, Coyote Light, Sniper Hog, and Predator Tactics. Going to get new gun light and scan light/headlamp.

Originally Posted By: jwebster34It's pretty apparent no one who has commented has used a good thermal for those saying about identifying a target. This is why I was hesitant to post questions on here. Kind of like every average old guy at the gun club trying to give pointers in skeet shooting when they can barely crack a 20 out of 25 I suppose. Oh well, thanks anyway. I will just keep doing homework and make my own educated decision.


Quote:I thought your question was what is the best red light?


Me, too.

Here's some very knowledgeable folks who can answer your night vision questions:

https://ultimatenightvision.com/

https://www.predatormastersforums.com/fo...005#Post3320005

Regards,
hm
 
Welp, you didn't ask about thermal, so for the most part comments were either about lights or my suggestion about a Wraith Mini. We're just trying to help you, so why not step back and be appreciative that anyone took time to try to help. Or you can keep on down the path you're headed down and see how that works out, your choice.
 
Originally Posted By: jwebster34Oh well, thanks anyway. I will just keep doing homework and make my own educated decision.

Excellent idea......please share your newly acquired educated decision with us after you make your purchase.
 
New member throwing his weight around by post 5 is complete awesomeness! God I love the internet!

I'm not sure why you asked a question for us old geezers to answer?

If you'd done some basic research you'd of known us old folks only hit 20 out of 25 coyotes. lol
 
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Originally Posted By: jwebster34It's pretty apparent no one who has commented has used a good thermal for those saying about identifying a target. This is why I was hesitant to post questions on here. Kind of like every average old guy at the gun club trying to give pointers in skeet shooting when they can barely crack a 20 out of 25 I suppose. Oh well, thanks anyway. I will just keep doing homework and make my own educated decision.

LOL! Tik Tok attention span on ones own thread. Gonna make an FOG SMH. Best of luck to you. Maybe ask chat GPT?
 
Originally Posted By: wildflights

LOL! Tik Tok attention span on ones own thread. Gonna make an FOG SMH. Best of luck to you. Maybe ask chat GPT?

I think I know what TikTok is, but FOG, SMH and GPT leave me lost.

Of course I'm old and all this millennial abbreviation BS is way over my head. Hope I can live through it.
 
ID'ing a coyote at any longer distance takes practice whether you're using thermals or lights. It also takes good equipment. The guys here who ID using thermals know what they are talking about. I've done it when I've gotten the opportunity to go to states where it's legal to use them. Coyotes have a distinctive shape when you see them through a thermal.

Using lights is another story. You need BOTH a good light AND a good scope to be able to ID at night. One won't do it. You could have a powerful light but if your scope is lower quality you won't be able to catch enough light to ID.

I went to the Wicked Shot Pro and paired it with a Leupold 6.5-20x50mm.

I know you mentioned issues with Wicked but I haven't experienced the same issues and the Shot Pro is a great light.

The ratings for the lights usually include an eyeshine distance and a useable light distance. For the Shot Pro those are 800 yards and 450 yards. But there's a lot of variables including your scope. Here in AZ if there's dust in the air we won't get anywhere near those distances. It's the same on a full moon. Our light effectiveness drops.

Beyond that, there's not much more I can add to answer your questions.

But as the other guys have mentioned, it's not respectful to ask a question then start throwing out insults. We welcome new members who want to help us create a predator hunting community and your question was right on par with what we want. Your response isn't.

Mo
 
Originally Posted By: jwebster34Identification and detection range were definitely not as advertised and they seemed to lose intensity rather quickly. One of the 403's I had also would shut off intermittently. Just wanted to know if anyone's lights could actually light up an animal at 300+ yards like a lot of them say (some state quite further).

Remember this article the next time you are squeezing the trigger on 2 eyes at 300 yards.

https://www.ohiosportsman.com/threads/ga-game-warden-shot-by-coyote-hunter.34379/

"According to the their accounts of the incident, Upton was behind a berm, using binoculars, and the binocular lenses apparently looked like eyes through the men's night-vision scopes. They later told investigators they mistook Upton for a coyote and shot him. They subsequently dialed 911 to report the shooting and are cooperating with investigators."

 
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Jwebster, you have just insulted a lot of very decent guys, most of whom have been here quite a while. These guys combined have a wealth of knowledge to share. I have learned a lot here over the years and developed solid friendships, even hunted with some members here. Kindness and respect for others is not outdated, despite what some in today’s culture may think. You are definitely bold with your words, which in my opinion speaks to your character.

We are trying to build a good forum here and it takes effort from everyone to come together as a community, ie family if you will. I have a feeling that any further questions you may have just might not be answered. This old skeet shooter is going on 72 and I just don’t have time to play with you.
 
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Jwebster, you have just insulted a lot of very decent guys, most of whom have been here quite a while. These guys combined have a wealth of knowledge to share. I have learned a lot here over the years and developed solid friendships, even hunted with some members here. Kindness and respect for others is not outdated, despite what some in today’s culture may think. You are definitely bold with your words, which in my opinion speaks to your character.

We are trying to build a good forum here and it takes effort from everyone to come together as a community, ie family if you will. I have a feeling that any further questions you may have just might not be answered. This old skeet shooter is going on 72 and I just don’t have time to play with you.


And them "old" trap/skeet shooters have taken me to task more than once on the range when they get behind their trap guns...
 
Originally Posted By: jwebster34It's pretty apparent no one who has commented has used a good thermal for those saying about identifying a target. This is why I was hesitant to post questions on here. Kind of like every average old guy at the gun club trying to give pointers in skeet shooting when they can barely crack a 20 out of 25 I suppose. Oh well, thanks anyway. I will just keep doing homework and make my own educated decision.

Pretty arrogant statement...you had plenty of educated answers here to cheat on your homework assignment...then try to bash about never looking through "good" thermal....heck not only is your arrogance coming through but also your ignorance. ...and being from PA just added to it.


...Most on here have gone through the stages of whether it be hand calls to electonic....day calling to night calling....lights to thermal. Many have kept it the same.
Many of us here that gave you info to help you increase your success have shot more coyotes on one stand than most take years to achieve.
 
Originally Posted By: jwebster34Not interested in infrared scopes. Had one, not impressed. I would rather have a good optic so that works better in day time and throw a light on for the occasional night hunts. Thanks though.

I guess I'm one of those "old Guys", I've only been predator hunting 30 years so I don't know what an "infared" scope is. I know what a NV scope is, and I know what a infared illuminator is, but I've never seen a "infared scope".

Originally Posted By: jwebster34It's pretty apparent no one who has commented has used a good thermal for those saying about identifying a target. This is why I was hesitant to post questions on here. Kind of like every average old guy at the gun club trying to give pointers in skeet shooting when they can barely crack a 20 out of 25 I suppose. Oh well, thanks anyway. I will just keep doing homework and make my own educated decision.

But after this bold statement I've lost all interest. Good luck.
 
I wish I had a meme of about 12 longbeards giving a Jake a complete beat down!!!

Jwebster34 most of these guys, including myself has been at the game long enough to go through the evolution of equipment and most of us are using thermal today because is better for various reasons.

Back in the late 70s early 80s as a kid we used miners lights/coonhunters lights or 12v spotlights with red filters because that was the best technology for the time. They used incandescent and halogen bulbs. Then came the Lightforce brand of lights that mounted to the scope, it was bright, lightweight but giant in size but was the best at its time for a rifle mounted light.

LEDs finally took the market over because the advancement in technology allowed a brighter light that was smaller in size and WAY WAY better battery life. The coyote light, wicked lights, sniper hog are at the top of light technology and honestly that's where it plateaus IMO as thermal has gotten more affordable and is better in every way. I don't see weapon mounted lights evolving much because the market is mostly gone.

You didn't ask about night vision or thermal but there are a couple guys here that used them once or twice and stayed at a Holiday Inn that might be able to answer some questions....
 
You are right Kino. I didn't ask about night vision or thermal. I simply asked an easy question about lights. I just wanted an opinion, not a bunch of follow-up questions that didn't address my question. I also wasn't looking for suggestions on other equipment. Then off down the rabbit hold we went (myself included). Just wanted to know what people thought of other lights. Should have been easy. I heard from many people that these forums took off like this and no one wanted to actually address any questions. Thought i would give the benefit of the doubt though. My suspicions were confirmed. To anyone that has acutually said an opinion about a different light than the Wicked lights, thank you.
 
Originally Posted By: jwebster34You are right Kino. I didn't ask about night vision or thermal. I simply asked an easy question about lights. I just wanted an opinion, not a bunch of follow-up questions that didn't address my question. I also wasn't looking for suggestions on other equipment. Then off down the rabbit hold we went (myself included). Just wanted to know what people thought of other lights. Should have been easy. I heard from many people that these forums took off like this and no one wanted to actually address any questions. Thought i would give the benefit of the doubt though. My suspicions were confirmed. To anyone that has acutually said an opinion about a different light than the Wicked lights, thank you.

JWebster, let me backtrack a bit and explain to you that many folks here tried to share their years of experience by pointing out some options which could save you some money in the long run. No one tried to sell you anything; just give you a broader choice in your search for a better mouse trap.

Looks like you are leaning toward the Coyote Light which runs around $380.

DoubleUp, a very experienced night hunter, offered another option for your consideration. While a couple hundred bucks more than the Coyote light, still a lot cheaper than thermal, which you had ruled out in your OP.


Several other comments, by equally experienced night hunters regarding the importance of optic quality in conjunction w/lights, etc. were offered in the spirit of offering the benefit of years of experience, all were in the spirit of being helpful.

Quote:It's pretty apparent no one who has commented has used a good thermal for those saying about identifying a target. This is why I was hesitant to post questions on here. Kind of like every average old guy at the gun club trying to give pointers in skeet shooting when they can barely crack a 20 out of 25 I suppose. Oh well, thanks anyway. I will just keep doing homework and make my own educated decision.

Perhaps a bit of reflection on your part will help you to understand the reaction to your rather brash response and help smooth your (hopefully) long future relationship on PM.

Regards,
hm
 
After reading all these posts it is very evident that you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar. Maybe a lesson to be learned, by the one asking the question.
 
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