Why the heavy barrel?

That is not the point I am trying to make. I'm just trying to say "don't knock it "til you try it". He says it is not a deer load, for sure. The problem I have with that, is I myself have watched it topple deer. The old energy figure rules that people like to go by, have changed, IMO, because of the new bullets now available.

Anyway, I'm done here now. Not much left to say, and we are way to off topic. To each their own....... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
I was not trying to stir the pot on this. I had typed a long thing having to do with my thoughts on Ballistic programs and how they are never right. By the way, I have used almost all of them. Dope can change in ten seconds and only a well trained shooter can correct appropriatly. I am happy you have shot "38 COYOTES" that is very good. I do live in a state where you can shot as many deer as you would like a day. The head shot is a favorite on doe around here. And is nothing for a guy that shoots 30+ deer a year. I personally only hunt deer with a bow here because the rifle just takes the fun out of it. I agree, "don't knock it until you try it". I did shoot a dear while coyote hunting though this year with my 22-250, not a head shot but it grazed the heart and it didn't step one foot further. (although I it ruined my stand) I hunted with a .223 on Ft. Drum, NY for 2 seasons and also killed my dear while calling. Never had a problem. I don't hunt yotes in SC that much because of the topography and population and now spend three days a week at the range instead with a .308. No program can replace trigger time. I save my callin for NV trips.

Any / way this thread started about heavy barrels. Love them or hate them whatever is your poisen. I apologize and am not trying to start anything. I just felt bad for stirring and though I would contribute my opinion on this.
 
Buck up, yotekyllr......Any time you bring up the subject of which caliber, which gun, etc, is the best everyone has his own opinion and things can get heated. Some guys love the heavy barrels and they think you should be just like them. Fact is, I like them, too, but for a different purpose than calling predators on daytime stands. It's as much a matter of preference as buying a Ford or a Chevy or a Dodge. I simply prefer a lightweight, fast swinging rifle that packs a punch. I also like my shotgun. lol

Plus, you have to take into account this is the internet. Very few of us knows the others credentials. Elvis or Jim Morrison could be writing this and you'd never know it. We're all experts here.
 
I know this crap is run into the ground> pk1. I had tried to post a "how ballistic programs mean crap" post and went with my earlier post to save the already rampent drama. I admit this internet stuff is new to me but ----------Your right!!! I suppose Elvis does makes a few appearences.
 
hello all new guy here
I wont sit here and pretend I know alot but to answer the original ? for me it would go like this.I use the hb for hunting because I spend more time at the range then hunting and I have a wife and three kids a house and a car payment so I could only afford one gun at this time
 
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hello all new guy here
I wont sit here and pretend I know alot but to answer the original ? for me it would go like this.I use the hb for hunting because I spend more time at the range then hunting and I have a wife and three kids a house and a car payment so I could only afford one gun at this time



There is absolutely nothing wrong with that answer!!!!

Welcome to the site! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
2much gun are you telling me you rifle and bullet is denying mathmatical calculations to a noticeable degree? It wasn't from 1 program but 2. On FPS the program is within 15 fps of what a crono will do.

PK1 with all respect numbers mean little, it doesn't tell me your coyote population,coyote density's in the areas you hunt, what kill % you had of total called in coyotes etc. I'm sure you an acomplished hunter and marksman, but anyone who is taking there share of 300+ yard shots on coyotes with no support aid bi pod or sticks, well I'm willing to bet they will find far more success with them. Good day.

Pack a heavy barrel and have no regrets.It will make you shoot better and make one more healthy by packing the extra weight a win/win.
 
Make light of it but don't talk to the facts you say aren't true good deal!

A bal program is something that can help everyone who shoots, you can compair bullets and loads and see how each will perform compaired to the other and if using a BDC reticle a great starting point! You also get the numbers on wind drift, I'm not a kentucky windage shooter as there are far better methods out there.

Back to on topic most all who are competitive long range rifle shooters win with heavy barrels, there must be a reason, better accuracy- if your going to shoot at longer ranges I would use a heavy barrel, if your calling 3-5 coyotes a week end and shoot 2-4 times then stick with what you have, if your calling in dense cover and short shots I would use a semi auto rifle or a shotgun. If your calling out west and long range shots are more common then I want a heavy barrel for better bullet placement.
 
For clarification, I believe the shooter in the vid is shooting a 50 GRAIN VMAX out of his AI. Listen to the audio...he says so himself.
The largest VMAX in .224 is a 60grainer. They make the AMAX (.224) in 52, 75, or 80 grain weights...

Can't know the velocity of that round, but that 50Vmax sure is humming, as evidenced by the vapor trails in the vid...
 
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Back to on topic most all who are competitive long range rifle shooters win with heavy barrels......



How long before it takes you to figure out that competitive shooting is NOT on topic? Predator hunting is the topic

The ONLY reason I posted the videos was to illustrate that lightweight rifles are more than accurate enough to predator hunt with, when in the right hands. If one chooses to lug around a heavier rifle for whatever reason they like it better, that's fine.........
 
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OK, we are starting to see lots of factory rigs for predator hunting, and most of the dedicated "coyote" rifles i see pictured sport a heavy barrel. My question is why?

A little of my background: I was fooling around with rifles long before I ever went hunting, and for a while there I was under the mistaken impression that you had to have a heavy barrel to be accurate. Until I went hunting for the first time and used someone else's rifle. After carrying that and subsequently carrying my own 13.5 lb rifle, I learned that a 7.5 to 8.5 lb rifles was easier on the arms.

Correct me if I am wrong, but in regards to accuracy potential of a rifle has little to do with the weight/profile of the barrel is far down on the list after such items as the quality of the barrel, ammo, tolerances, rifle's bedding, & barrel crown. What the heavy barrel does give you is better accuracy during higher volume shooting due to not warping due to heating.

Am I just not a very good hunter? Am I not seeing as many yotes to shoot at and heat up my barrel where I need more heft. Is the heavier barrel a Western thing (I am in Georgia)?

Seems like when I see folks post some pics of their bag, the show one, or two, or a pile of em after a whole days worth of hunting.

I am using a 22-250 with a standard sporter contour, and have never heated it up enough hunting yotes that I needed more heft in the barrel.

Anyway, I am up late with the new baby, and I ponder these things.



Part of the answer is in your assumption that these will be "dedicated" calling rifles. Just because it's named "coyote" doesn't mean people won't be using them for lots of other things. And there's no law against a gun named coyote saying being used to shoot rockchucks or crows or anything else. If they're gonna name it something, "coyote" sounds better than squirrel/rabbit/groundhog/prairie dog/crow/porcupine, etc.

A slimmer sporter stock has as much effect on the gun's feel as barrel weight. A factory varmint contour barrel that's a little shorter can handle very well if it's not in a clunky varmint stock with a big forend.
 
I'm betting the wind drift would be more than with the 50 grain v max I'll run it on my program and report back! 50 grain V max with a .242 BC at 3,100fps at 500 yrds you get 45" of drop with a 250 zero,248FPE which is very low for big game and wind deflection of 38.20".
At 600 yards you get 88.54" of drop, 181FPE and wind deflection of 59.46", again I'll state not a deer load for sure, noting as well the thinned wall makeup of a v max type bullet and major bullet splash with any bone hit, leaving more wounded than dead deer at that range, unless your an ACE Marksman.
 
For clarification...

The deer in the first video was killed with a 75gr AMAX.

The egg that was shot at in the last video was done with a 50gr VMAX. And it was going ALOT faster than 3100fps out of that fella's 223AI.
3500+ is probably more like it, conservatively estimated...
 


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