your thoughts on scent control clothes?
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reaper4
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Originally Posted By: Tbone-AZwaste of money..
That kind of stuff might work on a deer. Not on Coyotes... But after about the 3rd trip those clothes have lost the effectiveness they may have had when they were new.
that's quite true, even the military CBRN mopp suits are only good for 6 washes and those things are some thick, heavy duty deals. I know its a charcoal suit and hunting clothing is different. well let me lay this on you. An airforce working dogg trained to detect the odor of explosives followed my trail all around a F.O.B. for about an hour before finding me hiding betweene two tents after I handled some c-4 then had a buddy don my mopp gear for me and made sure I didn't touch one part of the outside of it. I would have sworn that theres no way the dog would smell me through that gear. it just proved to me that there is no fooling the nose of a k9.
That kind of stuff might work on a deer. Not on Coyotes... But after about the 3rd trip those clothes have lost the effectiveness they may have had when they were new.
that's quite true, even the military CBRN mopp suits are only good for 6 washes and those things are some thick, heavy duty deals. I know its a charcoal suit and hunting clothing is different. well let me lay this on you. An airforce working dogg trained to detect the odor of explosives followed my trail all around a F.O.B. for about an hour before finding me hiding betweene two tents after I handled some c-4 then had a buddy don my mopp gear for me and made sure I didn't touch one part of the outside of it. I would have sworn that theres no way the dog would smell me through that gear. it just proved to me that there is no fooling the nose of a k9.
Kizmo
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Originally Posted By: reaper4
I know its a charcoal suit and hunting clothing is different.
Yeah, they're different. That activated charcoal suit is orders of magnitude better than commercial hunting clothes. Originally Posted By: reaper4 If it doesn't work, they surely won't.
well let me lay this on you. An airforce working dogg trained to detect the odor of explosives followed my trail all around a F.O.B. for about an hour before finding me hiding betweene two tents after I handled some c-4 then had a buddy don my mopp gear for me and made sure I didn't touch one part of the outside of it. I would have sworn that theres no way the dog would smell me through that gear. it just proved to me that there is no fooling the nose of a k9.
Great story!
I know its a charcoal suit and hunting clothing is different.
Yeah, they're different. That activated charcoal suit is orders of magnitude better than commercial hunting clothes. Originally Posted By: reaper4 If it doesn't work, they surely won't.
well let me lay this on you. An airforce working dogg trained to detect the odor of explosives followed my trail all around a F.O.B. for about an hour before finding me hiding betweene two tents after I handled some c-4 then had a buddy don my mopp gear for me and made sure I didn't touch one part of the outside of it. I would have sworn that theres no way the dog would smell me through that gear. it just proved to me that there is no fooling the nose of a k9.
Great story!
its easy to come on and tell everyone what doesnt work and say hunt down wind but its not really the answer for everyone and the way some may be forced to hunt at times during the day or even especially at night to catch eyes with a light......its a FACT we can all agree on that the coyotes r always gonna smell a living being, human, animal, etc etc more than likely thru their hormones/pharamones or however u spell it...they may smell the cheeseburger u just ate or your Brute cologne to alert them to your presense but its the animal in U thats gonna put fear in them IMO as they smell pop cans and everything else we throw to the ground (which i DO NOT CONDONE) eventually and go up to it as the human hormone scent cools but is not eliminated on that can........yet I bet they would never come to a human no matter how long u set there.......so masking the hormones/pharamones in us is unreal and we all know that.......
however u can still lessen or decrease your scent cone with simple practices to help increase the time a coyote MAY LINGER for a shot should they scent u
I start using scent free soap/deodorant and use it throughout the season on all my clothes and no cologne for work as it gets in your truck
I take a water only shower to try and remove the oil from my skin before I go
I leave my exterior clothes outside to air out all season just hanging on lawn chairs on back porch unless its rains or snows
I don't wear the same boots to get there as I hunt in (why because u can walk in a convenient store they just bleached the floor or filling gas as suggested and it adds to your cone)
will this keep a coyote from smelling me ABSOLUTELY NOT
will this keep my scent cone closer to me and maybe not as lets say for lack of better term as HOT ILO not doing these things sure it will
u CANNOT eliminate yourself/hormones/pharamones/skin oil whatever term u choose to use FACT
u CAN CONDENCE your bodies/clothing smell output with common sense and practice PERIOD
none of this is special or takes extra work its just changing your practices a bit beforehand..........in the hopes that it MAY get u those FEW VALUBLE SECONDS we all LUV at just the right moment and that's it.
good luck!
p.s. I do not have scent lock clothing.
however u can still lessen or decrease your scent cone with simple practices to help increase the time a coyote MAY LINGER for a shot should they scent u
I start using scent free soap/deodorant and use it throughout the season on all my clothes and no cologne for work as it gets in your truck
I take a water only shower to try and remove the oil from my skin before I go
I leave my exterior clothes outside to air out all season just hanging on lawn chairs on back porch unless its rains or snows
I don't wear the same boots to get there as I hunt in (why because u can walk in a convenient store they just bleached the floor or filling gas as suggested and it adds to your cone)
will this keep a coyote from smelling me ABSOLUTELY NOT
will this keep my scent cone closer to me and maybe not as lets say for lack of better term as HOT ILO not doing these things sure it will
u CANNOT eliminate yourself/hormones/pharamones/skin oil whatever term u choose to use FACT
u CAN CONDENCE your bodies/clothing smell output with common sense and practice PERIOD
none of this is special or takes extra work its just changing your practices a bit beforehand..........in the hopes that it MAY get u those FEW VALUBLE SECONDS we all LUV at just the right moment and that's it.
good luck!
p.s. I do not have scent lock clothing.
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Hawk-eye
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I rarely wash my clothes, take scent free showers very seldom, spit copenhagen on the ground while on stand on occasion and I kill a fair share of coyotes. Why, because you can practice all that scent control all you want and if you're sitting next to me and a coyote is downwind he's still going to be able to smell you and me separately because his nose can determine parts per million like that. Won't matter. There's no decreasing your scent cone, or any of that, if he's going to smell you he will.
Oh and I wear scent lock clothing sometimes. Not for the scent control, i used to for deer hunting, but because they are darn fine garments and long lasting.
Oh and I wear scent lock clothing sometimes. Not for the scent control, i used to for deer hunting, but because they are darn fine garments and long lasting.
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See, wearing the clothes to wear the clothes is one thing, but thinking that it makes you invisible is just advertising.
I use the scent control detergent to limit the UV brighteners. That is helpful, try not to glow in the daylight.
But when you set up, do so in a way that will force a coyote to expose itself to get to your downwind. I always watch the downwind and Never set up with the wind in my face. I put the call upwind and within sight of my setup. I sit with a shotgun on my lap and ready for the quick coyote, and a rifle for those that take their time.
I use the scent control detergent to limit the UV brighteners. That is helpful, try not to glow in the daylight.
But when you set up, do so in a way that will force a coyote to expose itself to get to your downwind. I always watch the downwind and Never set up with the wind in my face. I put the call upwind and within sight of my setup. I sit with a shotgun on my lap and ready for the quick coyote, and a rifle for those that take their time.
Predburner
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The wind is your friend....
Originally Posted By: REID2168IMO theres nothing special or time consuming about not using soap and leaving my coveralls outside...good luck guys!!!!!!
My wife would certainly not think I was special if I quit using soap.
Here's what it comes down to though, if you think it's worth the effort, time, or money, and that gives you more confidence, that will make you a better hunter. So, in the end, it will probably work in your favor whether the scent control stuff actually works or not. And that, my friend, is a win-win situation!
My wife would certainly not think I was special if I quit using soap.
See, now this is just what I was talking about in my second post in Kizmo's voodoo priest thread.
REID2168, The thread starter ask what peoples opinions of scent free clothing were. There was not one disrespectful or condescending reply on here until you jumped in. Most people stated it was a waste of money in their opinion.
REID2168, The thread starter ask what peoples opinions of scent free clothing were. There was not one disrespectful or condescending reply on here until you jumped in. Most people stated it was a waste of money in their opinion.
Hawk-eye
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I was giving my opinion on the original poster's question Reid. He asked, I posted. I agree that if you believe something works for you then keep doing it because it makes you a better hunter. But I stand by my comment that I said in my last post that if a coyote is going to get downwind, he will smell you and he can pick you out and me out if we are sitting together. Both of our scents or any other scent that he is downwind of.
I don't read it, I don't watch it on t.v, I go out and do it and have for the last couple of decades non-stop. That's where I get my info at, not anywhere else as you imply, suggest, or assume. You're right that there is no one way to do things. I agree. But in one breath you spoke of how great a coyote can smell and then in the next breath spoke of how you can decrease your scent cone? I don't believe that there is a whole lot of truth in that from experiences that I have had. And yes, I believe that it is one size fits all because it is when you are talking about a coyote's nose. If he's downwind, there's no trying to fool him and the extra time you use to try and do it is all for not.
Usually I don't take the time to respond to something like this because usually I figure that the person I'm responding to already has it in their head that their point is right and that I'm narrow-minded and so it's a waste of time to try and make my point even though I'm really trying to help them if they'll just listen. That's the problem with the written word and the computer and internet forums. If you could hear me saying this it would be with inflection to help not to belittle. This time i thought I'd go ahead and respond and see if you are willing to be open minded enough to consider what I'm saying, apply it to your hunting and hopefully it will increase your success.
And no everyone shouldn't chew like I sometimes do, or smoke while they are sitting there and I certainly don't suggest it. But I said it to make the point that it doesn't matter whether you bath in Aqua-Velvet or wash your clothes before every hunt and take scent free showers..........they'll still smell ya when downwind and still smell where ya been. That's it. Don't read anything else into it. It's meant as advise not a disagreement of opinion. I'm hopefully that you or anyone will take it and be open minded enough to hear what I'm saying works for me. I used to try and control those things years ago. Payed mind to my clothes, my body and things like that being scent free. I kill more coyotes now than then because I've evolved into a better coyote hunter over the years and came to realize it doesn't matter one bit what I smell like because I set up better and in ways to make a coyote feel comfortable to come to the call. Coyotes came in a lot in those early days too because I was the only person I knew of even doing around my area. And now I do this as part of my making a living, so yes, it is thru personal experience. Coyotes are going to smell you if you make mistakes or let them get downwind. I do not feel like the extra work of being scent free is even close to worth it.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I am too as are you. Just please hear what I'm saying and know that it was never my intention to belittle, or say anything to be negative. It was my intent to pass on my experience with just this such topic because the way in which you set up, if successful, completely eliminates the way in which you smell. Whether you smell loud or not. So there is no belittling here, because of the experience I have earned the hard way, before Randy Anderson, and every other t.v show, internet forum, or magazine article, I believe strongly in setting up correctly and not needing or trying to rely in any way on scent elimination or control in any form. It ranks right up there in my opinion on the right distress sound to play question. It is almost or should almost be a non-relative form of discussion to coyote success. In my opinion if I am discussing the question of scent control, decoy usage or distress sound choice for coyotes only with someone, then there's a good likely hood that person has just gotten into coyote calling in recent years or not gotten to that level where they understand the real things that lead to success when calling in coyotes with real consistency here in the midwest. I don't say that to belittle anyone out there reading it in any way and i don't say it to brag. I say it because there is other levels you hit as a caller as you take it more and more seriously, do hundreds of sets over hundreds of sets. I know because I've found that out for myself. It takes a lot of field time and it takes a devotion to knowing your quarry. As with anything, that argument could be made. Over the years you simply abandon the things that aren't neccessary to be successful or those things that don't really impact success one way or the other because of the nature of the way you hunt and the way your quarry will respond.
So what I'm trying to say is the opposite and that there is only one way with a coyote's nose. You said that "there is no one way!" When talking about a coyote's nose, they'll smell ya if you are letting them go downwind. There is only one way. That's the point. In other topics of conversation there might be many different ways to skin a cat. With this there isn't. The only way to correctly assemble the puzzle is not by letting them get a whiff at all, it's to set up correctly which is way, way, more important in my opinion.
You can not like me, not like my opinion, or disagree completely, but when the day comes that you realize that what I'm saying is true, and it will; as long as this is truly a passion of yours, just please try and think back on this conversation and then say to yourself "you know what? That guy wasn't so far off base after all." LOL
I don't read it, I don't watch it on t.v, I go out and do it and have for the last couple of decades non-stop. That's where I get my info at, not anywhere else as you imply, suggest, or assume. You're right that there is no one way to do things. I agree. But in one breath you spoke of how great a coyote can smell and then in the next breath spoke of how you can decrease your scent cone? I don't believe that there is a whole lot of truth in that from experiences that I have had. And yes, I believe that it is one size fits all because it is when you are talking about a coyote's nose. If he's downwind, there's no trying to fool him and the extra time you use to try and do it is all for not.
Usually I don't take the time to respond to something like this because usually I figure that the person I'm responding to already has it in their head that their point is right and that I'm narrow-minded and so it's a waste of time to try and make my point even though I'm really trying to help them if they'll just listen. That's the problem with the written word and the computer and internet forums. If you could hear me saying this it would be with inflection to help not to belittle. This time i thought I'd go ahead and respond and see if you are willing to be open minded enough to consider what I'm saying, apply it to your hunting and hopefully it will increase your success.
And no everyone shouldn't chew like I sometimes do, or smoke while they are sitting there and I certainly don't suggest it. But I said it to make the point that it doesn't matter whether you bath in Aqua-Velvet or wash your clothes before every hunt and take scent free showers..........they'll still smell ya when downwind and still smell where ya been. That's it. Don't read anything else into it. It's meant as advise not a disagreement of opinion. I'm hopefully that you or anyone will take it and be open minded enough to hear what I'm saying works for me. I used to try and control those things years ago. Payed mind to my clothes, my body and things like that being scent free. I kill more coyotes now than then because I've evolved into a better coyote hunter over the years and came to realize it doesn't matter one bit what I smell like because I set up better and in ways to make a coyote feel comfortable to come to the call. Coyotes came in a lot in those early days too because I was the only person I knew of even doing around my area. And now I do this as part of my making a living, so yes, it is thru personal experience. Coyotes are going to smell you if you make mistakes or let them get downwind. I do not feel like the extra work of being scent free is even close to worth it.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I am too as are you. Just please hear what I'm saying and know that it was never my intention to belittle, or say anything to be negative. It was my intent to pass on my experience with just this such topic because the way in which you set up, if successful, completely eliminates the way in which you smell. Whether you smell loud or not. So there is no belittling here, because of the experience I have earned the hard way, before Randy Anderson, and every other t.v show, internet forum, or magazine article, I believe strongly in setting up correctly and not needing or trying to rely in any way on scent elimination or control in any form. It ranks right up there in my opinion on the right distress sound to play question. It is almost or should almost be a non-relative form of discussion to coyote success. In my opinion if I am discussing the question of scent control, decoy usage or distress sound choice for coyotes only with someone, then there's a good likely hood that person has just gotten into coyote calling in recent years or not gotten to that level where they understand the real things that lead to success when calling in coyotes with real consistency here in the midwest. I don't say that to belittle anyone out there reading it in any way and i don't say it to brag. I say it because there is other levels you hit as a caller as you take it more and more seriously, do hundreds of sets over hundreds of sets. I know because I've found that out for myself. It takes a lot of field time and it takes a devotion to knowing your quarry. As with anything, that argument could be made. Over the years you simply abandon the things that aren't neccessary to be successful or those things that don't really impact success one way or the other because of the nature of the way you hunt and the way your quarry will respond.
So what I'm trying to say is the opposite and that there is only one way with a coyote's nose. You said that "there is no one way!" When talking about a coyote's nose, they'll smell ya if you are letting them go downwind. There is only one way. That's the point. In other topics of conversation there might be many different ways to skin a cat. With this there isn't. The only way to correctly assemble the puzzle is not by letting them get a whiff at all, it's to set up correctly which is way, way, more important in my opinion.
You can not like me, not like my opinion, or disagree completely, but when the day comes that you realize that what I'm saying is true, and it will; as long as this is truly a passion of yours, just please try and think back on this conversation and then say to yourself "you know what? That guy wasn't so far off base after all." LOL
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SlickerThanSnot
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Originally Posted By: Hawk-eye In my opinion if I am discussing the question of scent control, decoy usage or distress sound choice for coyotes only with someone, then there's a good likely hood that person has just gotten into coyote calling in recent years or not gotten to that level where they understand the real things that lead to success when calling in coyotes with real consistency here in the midwest. I don't say that to belittle anyone out there reading it in any way and i don't say it to brag. I say it because there is other levels you hit as a caller as you take it more and more seriously, do hundreds of sets over hundreds of sets. I know because I've found that out for myself. It takes a lot of field time and it takes a devotion to knowing your quarry.
You can not like me, not like my opinion, or disagree completely, but when the day comes that you realize that what I'm saying is true, and it will; as long as this is truly a passion of yours, just please try and think back on this conversation and then say to yourself "you know what? That guy wasn't so far off base after all." LOL
excellent way to put it.
You can not like me, not like my opinion, or disagree completely, but when the day comes that you realize that what I'm saying is true, and it will; as long as this is truly a passion of yours, just please try and think back on this conversation and then say to yourself "you know what? That guy wasn't so far off base after all." LOL
So what would you guys think about hunting places where there is human activity from a couple times a week to every day? Do yall think its worth worrying about wind and scent then? Every place I have to hunt has someone there doing something at least a couple times a week and some every day.
ohihunter2014
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okay now who uses scent clothes for deer hunting? im more a deer hunter and just got into coyotes and looking for every edge I can get. do you guys think it works for deer?
Hawk Eye nothing i posted was derogatory towards anyone what i posted was a statement saying be objective that's it........
then u gave your derogatory opinion on my opinion that's what and all i typed about nothing more go read it.........I never came on and said anyone was wrong or take anyone elses statement and try and say they were wrong u did......u did that and i responded to that......only thing i typed was be more objective about it........u for some reason felt compelled to take my statement and say i was wrong because u got all the answers.......NOT
i suggested people try some things...........u then proceed to make sure u said that wont work and u cant do that and I already did that so u r wasting your time......... as though u already know everything about coyote hunting and are the tell and know all now that u have 20 years experience or whatever.....u also seem to b assuming everyone hunts during the day or the way u do....
as well for some reason u keep saying the coyotes gonna smell us and i already typed that in every post i made so im unclear whey u keep repeating that and trying to make that your point of objection when its already been stated by me in every post made thus far.....unless u don't understand
maybe u should just be more positive and not try and run other peoples opinions down in posts even if u don't agree with their opinions because trust me u don't know everything there is to know its just that simple...........so were clear neither do i........the difference is i don't post negative saying others comments are untrue just because i disagree with their opinion......u did that and i responded........PERIOD!
then u gave your derogatory opinion on my opinion that's what and all i typed about nothing more go read it.........I never came on and said anyone was wrong or take anyone elses statement and try and say they were wrong u did......u did that and i responded to that......only thing i typed was be more objective about it........u for some reason felt compelled to take my statement and say i was wrong because u got all the answers.......NOT
i suggested people try some things...........u then proceed to make sure u said that wont work and u cant do that and I already did that so u r wasting your time......... as though u already know everything about coyote hunting and are the tell and know all now that u have 20 years experience or whatever.....u also seem to b assuming everyone hunts during the day or the way u do....
as well for some reason u keep saying the coyotes gonna smell us and i already typed that in every post i made so im unclear whey u keep repeating that and trying to make that your point of objection when its already been stated by me in every post made thus far.....unless u don't understand
maybe u should just be more positive and not try and run other peoples opinions down in posts even if u don't agree with their opinions because trust me u don't know everything there is to know its just that simple...........so were clear neither do i........the difference is i don't post negative saying others comments are untrue just because i disagree with their opinion......u did that and i responded........PERIOD!
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Scent Lok lost a big law suit. Their claims of eliminating or contain human scent were found to be false and they were guilty of false advertising. So they probably aren’t all that they claim to be.
I've read volumes on a dogs nose so I could train my bird dog the best I could. What I learned is that a dog “smells” far more than just a particular scent. Reaper4’s story about the dog finding him in the MOP suit may be a little deceiving because dogs do not just smell well, they are smart. I didn’t see the experiment, but what could have happened is that the dog quickly connected the C4 smell to Reaper4s tracks before he put the suit on, and then followed the suit rather than a C4 scent, similar to what “blood trailing” dogs do. When a dog trained to find wounded deer follows a trail, it can quickly learn which deer is bleeding. Then when the blood trail stops, it can still follow that particular deer. So its not just target scent; it’s a smart animal putting two plus two together. A scent trail is composed of the target, as well as the targets disturbances. Fresh broken grass, disturbed soil, etc. all release scent that a dog can “total” to make up the entirety of a scent trail so if one component is lost or becomes weaker, the dog may still be able to trail the others.
I’ve also read some testimonial by scientists that noted that a large majority of scent comes from breath and this particular scientist felt that when a pointing dog found and pointed a bird, it was in large part due to the bird’s breath. If you think about it, it makes a lot of sense; there isn’t a more efficient way to get particles airborne than vaporizing them, which is what happens when you breathe. In that respect, I think there’s merit to scent lok head cover because it covers your mouth and nose and surely helps reduce your exhaled scent.
In the end, I think brushing your teeth, taking a shower, and wearing clean cloths washed with nothing but a dash of bleach, straight from the dryer, just before you hunt, will do more to reduce your scent than putting on any scent blocking suit. I used to wonder if a scent lok suit would still help “contain” my scent. But the problem with that is those suits are always so hot that I sweat three times as much, so I’m not confident the suit is helping more than it’s hurting.
It’s too bad you couldn’t have a moat of diesel fuel or cigarette smoke around your hunting area so that animals would have to pass through it. It’s estimated that those contaminates can ruin a dogs sense of smell for 20 minutes or more. If you could think of a product that you could put on a bait pile that wouldn’t keep a coyote away but at the same time would reduce his capacity to smell, you could probably make a fortune selling the first ever counter attack scent.
I've read volumes on a dogs nose so I could train my bird dog the best I could. What I learned is that a dog “smells” far more than just a particular scent. Reaper4’s story about the dog finding him in the MOP suit may be a little deceiving because dogs do not just smell well, they are smart. I didn’t see the experiment, but what could have happened is that the dog quickly connected the C4 smell to Reaper4s tracks before he put the suit on, and then followed the suit rather than a C4 scent, similar to what “blood trailing” dogs do. When a dog trained to find wounded deer follows a trail, it can quickly learn which deer is bleeding. Then when the blood trail stops, it can still follow that particular deer. So its not just target scent; it’s a smart animal putting two plus two together. A scent trail is composed of the target, as well as the targets disturbances. Fresh broken grass, disturbed soil, etc. all release scent that a dog can “total” to make up the entirety of a scent trail so if one component is lost or becomes weaker, the dog may still be able to trail the others.
I’ve also read some testimonial by scientists that noted that a large majority of scent comes from breath and this particular scientist felt that when a pointing dog found and pointed a bird, it was in large part due to the bird’s breath. If you think about it, it makes a lot of sense; there isn’t a more efficient way to get particles airborne than vaporizing them, which is what happens when you breathe. In that respect, I think there’s merit to scent lok head cover because it covers your mouth and nose and surely helps reduce your exhaled scent.
In the end, I think brushing your teeth, taking a shower, and wearing clean cloths washed with nothing but a dash of bleach, straight from the dryer, just before you hunt, will do more to reduce your scent than putting on any scent blocking suit. I used to wonder if a scent lok suit would still help “contain” my scent. But the problem with that is those suits are always so hot that I sweat three times as much, so I’m not confident the suit is helping more than it’s hurting.
It’s too bad you couldn’t have a moat of diesel fuel or cigarette smoke around your hunting area so that animals would have to pass through it. It’s estimated that those contaminates can ruin a dogs sense of smell for 20 minutes or more. If you could think of a product that you could put on a bait pile that wouldn’t keep a coyote away but at the same time would reduce his capacity to smell, you could probably make a fortune selling the first ever counter attack scent.
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