17 HMR on coyotes

This has only been hashed over and over and over about a million times. It's become Ad Nauseum. There are lots of cartridges - including 17's - that'll put down a coyote with no problem. So why would anyone purposely choose the 17HMR when there are so many others that really do the job well.
 
Bayou,

Show me your actual experience with this subject to back up your "professional" opinion and we can have a decent conversation. I have stated my actual experiences a number of times. Until then you are, unfortunately, exactly the type of sarcastic person with no real experience, and alot of speculation that I have referred to.

Oh, by the way, I would love to see the quote where I claimed to be "professional". I have claimed nothing other than to state what I have seen in my personal experiences.

This thread is about a 17 HMR and everyone knows it. There is no confusion here about the caliber in question. Let's not something that has nothing to do with the subject.
 
Ah, its seems like only yesterday that the .17HMR, that "little engine that could" of the shooting world, was introduced to the public and its been trouble ever since. I thought in the beginning that people honestly thought they were getting something comparable to a .17 CF for low dollars and just spending their time trying to justify their purchase and my opinion has not changed much since. As mentioned by Ackman above why use it on purpose? If you want a .17 then why not a .17Rem, a round that is more than capable. With all of the limitations on shot placement and distance it seems more trouble than its worth. Not telling anybody what to buy but a lot of people get convinced that they may be the way to go if they are on a budget. Of course RF areas only do not apply.


On a side note, does anybody think the 5mm RF would be enough gun for coyote?
 
utahheadgear, What sarcasm? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif It sounds to me like you have much more experience with the 17 HMR than many others. You said the majority of your coyotes fall over dead within a few steps. You said yourself that you watched those coyotes on video run off after good hits with a 22-250. I can understand why you wouldn't want to trade your 17HMR for my 22-250, but maybe somebody else would? I hunt with a guy that uses a 17 HMR. I can honestly say we haven't lost any animals that he has shot. You thinking I was being sarcastic makes me think that you may be second guessing yourself.
 
Oh, I need to add this:
I've lost a few coyotes in the 40+ years I've been using a 22-250. The gun guy at one of our Walmarts highly recommends the 17HMR as the ideal coyote cartridge. He will even tell you that it is the "BEST" there is.
 
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of the two that were not recovered one was hit in the rear leg below the knee while on the run and the other was hit from a distance that is out of the effective range of an HMR(about 175 yards)



How do you know where or if they were hit? You point out that other people can't tell when their coyotes aren't recovered, yet you can. You should share your information with other, less skilled hunters. That way they too can know for a fact where they hit animals at too.


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I can and will (as soon as I get home where the photos are) post photos of eight coyotes that were all shot with a 17 HMR. None of which took more than a couple of steps.



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In the video they shoot probably 25 coyotes with a 22-250, many of which you can see blood pumping from the perfectly placed bullet hole while the coyote makes a 50 yard death run. Based on that video, I would have to say that just because you get a "runner" doesn't mean necessarily that you didn't use enough gun. It's pretty accepted that the 22-250 is plenty of gun for coyotes.




There you have it you naysayers and 17HMR haters. That right there PROVES that the 17HMR is better than a 22-250. If you use a 17HMR the coyotes always die within a few steps. Use a 22-250 and you'll get a few 50 yard "death runs" while the coyote is pumping blood from a "perfectly placed bullet". Maybe HMR stands for HUMONGOUS MAGNUM RIMFIRE?

Anybody have a 17 HMR they want to trade for a 22-250? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif



Let's see what everyone else thinks. Well boys. Was there any sarcasm in Weasels post???

Come on Weasel, give me a break.
 
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This thread is about a 17 HMR and everyone knows it. There is no confusion here about the caliber in question. Let's not something that has nothing to do with the subject.



Oh my gosh you are hard to communicate with. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif Maybe next fall we can get together and hunt for a day or so. I think I'm easier to understand face to face and I suspect that might be the way you are too.
 
Utah,

That brings up an interesting question...

You kind of divide coyote hunters into 2 groups.

Group 1) Those FOR using a .17 HMR

Group 2) Those AGAINST using an HMR

I wonder if we took a poll. A simple poll...For, or Against...

Then tally the votes, & calculate the PERCENTAGE. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif


That might make some very interesting numbers.
I'll wager that the numbers of truly experienced coyote hunters & those newer to the sport will be on opposing sides as well. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
 
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Oh, I need to add this:
I've lost a few coyotes in the 40+ years I've been using a 22-250. The gun guy at one of our Walmarts highly recommends the 17HMR as the ideal coyote cartridge. He will even tell you that it is the "BEST" there is.



Don't try to change your tune now Weasel and make it look like I'm on defense. You know good and well that first response was full of sarcasm.

I am stating what I have seen so that the person who asked the initial question can hear from someone on both sides of the issue, because I don't believe that the information that most who ask the question get on this forum is correct. I think it is opinion with little or no actual in the field experience to back it up. As soon as someone can speak up and show the same type of facts and experience against the 17 HMR that I have in favor of it I will be satisfied that what they are saying is more than just speculation. No one has yet. The best I've seen is Rockinbars photo. Anyone else????
 
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Let's see what everyone else thinks. Well boys. Was there any sarcasm in Weasels post???

Come on Weasel, give me a break.



Maybe a little bit on the "Maybe HMR stands for HUMONGOUS MAGNUM RIMFIRE? " line but certainly nothing to get wadded up over.

Life can be tough if a little sarcasm can't be dealt with.
 
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This thread is about a 17 HMR and everyone knows it. There is no confusion here about the caliber in question. Let's not something that has nothing to do with the subject.



Yeah, this thread is getting off track. Back to the question at hand, please.
 
Weasel,

The comment about confusion of the 17 HMR and 17 caliber centerfires was not directed to you but was a response to someone else.

You are probably right about being easier to communicate face to face. Maybe I will take you up on that day of hunting.

I am still certain you were being sarcastic, but none of this is personal, at least not to me. I do feel strongly about this topic, however. And I don't even hunt that often with my 17 HMR in hand. I just want people that ask to get correct info from this forum, and unfortunately in the case of the 17 HMR they don't always get that.
 
Utah:

My use of the word "professional" was in reference to your attitude that you were the only poster here who knew what they were talking about.

The rest was to point out that the 17 HMR is not a caliber as you referenced it, but a "cartridge" that needs more definition than just a "17" when being referenced. I mentioned it because about two months ago - I believe on this forum - someone wanted to know the difference between a 17 HMR and a 17 Remington...

I have to agree with Weasel; you're hard to communicate with. Can you please translate, "Let's not something that has nothing to do with the subject." Is that a symptom of a language problem inherent in the first stages of Internet melt down?

PS....I'd vote in a poll, but then polls would likely become the standard for this discussion and the two folks in favor of using the 17 HMR on coyotes would probably be the only ones who were right... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Have a nice day mr. Utah. Slam them yotes with that 17HMR. Its the best choice anyone possibly could make for coyotes if all they owned was a 17HMR and a sling shot....

In the future when people ask the question, I know where I'll send 'em to avoid the inevitable... To the dude who said, ".....I just want people that ask to get correct info from this forum, and unfortunately in the case of the 17 HMR they don't always get that."

You sound real professional, at least on this subject.

'Bye...

-BCB /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Rockinbar,

The vote is a great idea except for the fact that MOST who vote will have never had any real experience with shooting coyotes with a 17 HMR. They will have their opinion only, which they are entited to have and to voice. No one is going to force them to hunt with an HMR. What bothers me is that people form an opinion of something and then refuse to either test thier theory or even believe someone like me that has actually put the theory to the test. My theory was that I could in fact be effective with an HMR on coyotes. I feel I have proved that to be true when it is used within its limitations. No one that has posted yet has been able to prove otherwise, and yet we both know that vote you mentioned would be overwhelmingly won out by those against the 17 HMR for coyotes despite the fact that I have shown evidence of it effectiveness and those against it have stated only that they made a shot on a coyote and it ran off never to be found. They can't prove where it was hit, how far it ran, nothing??? Speculation is all that can be made.

When I ask a question about a topic I want information from someone with experience in regards to that topic, not someone's opinion that has never tried it or at least has no hard evidence to back up their opinion, and knowing what I know about shooting coyotes with a 17 HMR and the responses given by others here it makes me seriously question the validity of the information given on ANY subject here on the PM forum. Is it good info from someone that knows, or is it simply someone's opinion who has no real experience????

Granted you all have alot of shooting and hunting experience, and that has formed your opinion of using an HMR and that does count for something. I guess the question is this: What do you have to say about the facts that I have presented about MY PERSONAL experience hunting coyotes with an HMR?? Why will you not allow MY real life experience show you that your first impression may have been incorrect?? It's like looking at a red car, knowing its red and calling it green anyway.


Again, I am not saying the 17 HMR is the best rifle to use. I have even said in other threads that I use other, larger calibers for the majority of my coyote hunting. I am not even saying why a person would use one instead of something bigger. That is a personal choice and is the same as asking why you would bowhunt when you can rifle hunt or why would you run when you could take the car. I am just saying that it can be done, I've seen it work.
 
utahheadgear,
No one has said that the .17 HMR couldn't kill a coyote...
No one is calling you a liar...
Weasel isn't attacking you...
Did you take your happy pill this morning? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

All joking aside. I recently sold my .17 HMR only because I needed a few more dollars to by my AR. Anyway, I did kill a coyote with it at 175 yards (ranged). Didn't even flinch on the shot but fell over dead after walking 10 feet. I do not consider the .17 HMR to be a "good" coyote caliber and the only reason I used it because a guy I took was using my .223 and I knew where it was hitting out to 200 yds. That being said I am not going to tell someone to go out and buy a .17 HMR to shoot coyotes with. I'd recommend a small centerfire cartrige. BUT if the .17 HMR is all they have then I'd say they could use it but I'd make sure they knew they'd have to make almost perfect shots and then I say to start saving for a bigger gun.
Now when you say that you've shot 10 coyotes and 8 hit the dirt, that's a very small sample to give an awesome thumbs up to the .17 HMR as a coyote caliber. If you only recovered 80 of a 100 coyotes that you shot that is pretty bad if you ask me. That's 20 coyotes that crawled off an died a slow death somewhere. To me that isn't being a responsible hunter.
Show the animals you hunt a little respect and use a little more horsepower to put them down more reliably. That being said, everyone that hunts is going to have runners but used enough of a gun to put them down. Coyotes are tough animals.
 
Bayou,

I don't think I'm the only one that knows what they are talking about, but I do think I'm the only that has presented real evidence in favor of my argument so far in this thread with the exception of Rockinbar's photo, but even that was given with no other detail as to the circumstances.

Anyone else have anything? I keep asking, but I haven't seen much yet.
 
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Bayou,

I don't think I'm the only one that knows what they are talking about, but I do think I'm the only that has presented real evidence in favor of my argument so far in this thread with the exception of Rockinbar's photo, but even that was given with no other detail as to the circumstances.

Anyone else have anything? I keep asking, but I haven't seen much yet.



Wow....with that logic you convinced me. You are the only one who is correct on this subject, and therefore the only one who should speak out on the subject. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowingsmilie.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowingsmilie.gif

Just wondering.....? Did you get pics of those two coyotes that ran off...? How do we know they really ran off....?

-BCB
 
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.....On a side note, does anybody think the 5mm RF would be enough gun for coyote?



I. O.: You're just trying to bait me... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

-BCB
 


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