17 HMR on coyotes

Utah, I really don't want to get into all this again. As I was reading this bumble I noticed you stating that no one has experience hunting coyotes with the 17hmr on a few occasions. One of which was:
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The vote is a great idea except for the fact that MOST who vote will have never had any real experience with shooting coyotes with a 17 HMR.

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I would ask that you simply assess the situation. There probably is a very good reason that not many people hunt coyote with a 17hmr. I would point out that this fact just may represent the COMMON SENSE of those "uneducated" hunters. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif

Geeze, I miss one afternoon and look what happens. Darn it! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
 
HEY!HEY!HEY! I DID NOT KNOW THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN!
I did not know this question was going to start a major chest-beating,I'm right, Your wrong, Pixxing contest. My question has been answered. I want to thank those of you who answered with information and not arguments. Flatliner Out.
 
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Rockinbar,

The vote is a great idea except for the fact that MOST who vote will have never had any real experience with shooting coyotes with a 17 HMR. They will have their opinion only,



I don't need to show up to a house fire with a pale of water to know it's not the best bet to put out the fire. Or do I?

Chupa
 
First off I want to know what EVIDENCE has been shown that proves the HMR is adequate for called coyotes.I have just heard talk.Pictures? what is that going to prove?That you killed some coyotes.How does anyone on here know that the said coyotes were actually shot with an HMR.

Second you don't have to shoot a bunch of coyotes with a HMR to know whether or not it is a good coyote cartridge or not.I have killed a few coyotes with mine and had mixed results,but I have shot enough rabbits and rockchucks with mine to know it lacks sufficient energy to CONSISTANLY kill called coyotes.

Lastly 8 out of 10 coyotes with the HMR is not enough coyotes prove anything, let alone that it is a "coyote killer".

Good Hunting Chad
 
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How does anyone on here know that the said coyotes were actually shot with an HMR.


Because people on the Internet don't lie? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
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HEY!HEY!HEY! I DID NOT KNOW THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN!
I did not know this question was going to start a major chest-beating,I'm right, Your wrong, Pixxing contest. My question has been answered. I want to thank those of you who answered with information and not arguments. Flatliner Out.



It just points out how learning to use the Search function benefits everyone at times... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

This topic is a habitual every other month issue and has been since the 17 HMR first hit the shooting scene.

-BCB
 
I personally think each to his own. I have a 17HMR and personally think it is a great round. Would it be my main coyote rifle(HELL NO) Would I use it(HELL YEAH) I personally can use anthing from a 22 short to a 270, for those that are restricted to rimfire only during deer season I say get out there and hunt. There are BIG limitations compared to a centerfire but keep it logical and enjoy. UTAH I commend you on your honesty in admitting that the 2 were your fault(most would not admit that) Everyone has different ethics or beleifs on hunting and the way we do it but if we are going to tare everyone a new one because we dont agree with their way then why is there hunting sites like this and many others? If we cant unite despite our different choices then the antis will beat us everytime.
 
I use it for spotlighting and the yotes I kill with it tend to disagree with the 17hmr haters here,they find it quite unpleaseant and just as fatal as a 300 wm at 100 yards.Havnt lost a spotlighte yote OR fox with it,we did loose one shot with a 22-250 last time out.If you can call them in close it shouldnt be a problem to kill them with it.
 
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If we cant unite despite our different choices then the antis will beat us everytime.

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Well said! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

Have a good weekend everyone
Mark
 
Just for the record;
The problem is not the difference of opinion about the ability of the 17 HMR, but having to have the same discussion over and over again.

In the last 2 months there are 200 posts with HMR in the title. Probably several times that many with it mentioned in the post.

The horse is dead many times over, don't waste energy beating it any more. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif

Jack
 
I agree with you 100 percent Jack but the problem is there is many new members each day or month and dont know about the search feature or cant find what they are looking for. People ask the question wanting an answer not to get bombarded with insults about their choice or possible choice in calibur or means of hunting. If you dont want certain subjects brought up over and over than you would have a big registration page to read with all the rules they would have to follow and you would lose a lot more people to this great site that way. The new people dont know they are beating a dead horse.
 
Well, me and my 17 HMR cosistantly take coyotes out to 300 yds,,, Or was that Prairie Dogs? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
 
For those that have problems with these threads you may need to tough it out a little bit or don't read (sorry mods you still have too, part of the job and all that). Outside of Utah not taking well to sarcastic remarks it went pretty well over all I think.

To BCB - I will continue to try to draw you out on the 5mm if possible.
 
Here's a thought... If you choose a cartridge that requires exacting, skillful, surgical placement to be effective, and, you are loosing 20% of the game you shoot with that cartridge - maybe you aren't skilled enough to be using that particular cartridge. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif

And if your reply to that statement is that no cartridge would have done any better because of the poor placement of the shot - then perhaps you shouldn't be shooting any cartridge at anything living until you develope the patience and skills necessary to make humane reliable and consistent kills under field/hunting conditions. I don't know, just musing aloud... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
 
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and, you are loosing 20% of the game you shoot with that cartridge:




GC - That might be the best stat posted on this thread. 20% is a large number when totaled up. I only shoot a .223, obviously not nearly the firepower of a .17HMR, and I will be quite honest in the fact that I DO NOT HAVE a 20% run rate.
 
I know yote hunters that would tell you .223 aint enough for yotes,regardless of the caliber you are going to have a pile of guys telling you its unsuited for one reason or another.Ive seen several killed with a 22 lr and one with a bow,you could kill them with a slingshot if you were skilled enough.
 
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I know yote hunters that would tell you .223 aint enough for yotes,regardless of the caliber you are going to have a pile of guys telling you its unsuited for one reason or another.Ive seen several killed with a 22 lr and one with a bow,you could kill them with a slingshot if you were skilled enough.



Nonya:

As I mentioned back on page 2 of this "stuff", I have seen a coyote killed with a pellet gun. That doesn't mean, however, that I would ever recommend a pellet gun - or a 17 HMR - to anyone asking if either was a good choice for coyotes.

Confusing what will kill or has killed a coyote with what should be used to kill a coyote are two totally different topics. There are too many better choices available to everyone to ever recommend either of those choices even though both have killed coyotes.

Typically, a man will be disabled/die quicker than a coyote will when shot. That doesn't mean I would recommend that our combat troops take a 17 HMR into combat as a good choice for a small arms weapon. They need and deserve a better choice in weapons even though their training would likely allow them to kill the enemy with the 17 HMR.

Its kin to using the right choice of cartridge to allow for the effective killing of coyotes.

JMO - BCB
 
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I know yote hunters that would tell you .223 aint enough for yotes,regardless of the caliber you are going to have a pile of guys telling you its unsuited for one reason or another.

The size of caliber will be directly related to the size of the dog pile. Smaller caliber equals larger dog pile! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 


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