.223 not enough for coyotes. makes me laugh.
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FairChase93
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Originally Posted By: orkanOriginally Posted By: SlickerThanSnotOriginally Posted By: orkan
I can't get a 28" .223 out the window of my truck very quickly at all.
stand up in the bed and make you wife drive. top of cab makes a nice shooting platform. it will work fine for you. promise it will.
Nah... it isn't like that. I probably shoot 20-50 "bonus" coyotes per year. Driving from set to set, back and forth to work... pop over a hill while driving BOOM there's a coyote next to the road. If the setup is good, I'll just go around them and call them in. However, if they present a nice running shot, I'll cash their check right there. 16" TS Customs 22-250 rolls em up nice.
Gotta love South Dakota predator laws! Killed 5 in the last week just going down the road for work.
I can't get a 28" .223 out the window of my truck very quickly at all.
stand up in the bed and make you wife drive. top of cab makes a nice shooting platform. it will work fine for you. promise it will.
Gotta love South Dakota predator laws! Killed 5 in the last week just going down the road for work.
orkan
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Originally Posted By: B23Originally Posted By: orkan Yes, the 16" 22-250 does a much better job of flattening coyotes than a .223rem.
Yeah, but is it enough to anchor those zombie prairie dogs you shoot that the wimpy .223 can barely do???
Right... because I'm obviously SOOOOO unreasonable for saying a .223 will let some p-dogs down the hole at 500yds.
I'm not the one in here telling people what they can't use on coyotes. Though I sure as heck will not be party to perpetuating the illusion that a .223 is overly effective on them in many situations either. ... and that's exactly what it is, an illusion.
Yeah, but is it enough to anchor those zombie prairie dogs you shoot that the wimpy .223 can barely do???
I'm not the one in here telling people what they can't use on coyotes. Though I sure as heck will not be party to perpetuating the illusion that a .223 is overly effective on them in many situations either. ... and that's exactly what it is, an illusion.
Tim Neitzke
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A 243 will let a few pdogs down the hole if hit on the fringe or the wrong bullet is used.
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It all comes down to use : hunting coyotes in timber, open areas, whether you want to blow the crap out of them or you want a looks untouched fur to sell.
Whatever you pick, use it well....
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It all comes down to use : hunting coyotes in timber, open areas, whether you want to blow the crap out of them or you want a looks untouched fur to sell.
Whatever you pick, use it well....
Tim Neitzke
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I've had all kinds of chamberings either side of a 22-250, even shot one few times. I guess I'll have to get me one someday, just for giggles. I probably should twist it fast, so I can try it on deer aswell... grin
Rustydust
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Originally Posted By: FairChase93
Gotta love South Dakota predator laws! Killed 5 in the last week just going down the road for work.
What?? You ought to be ashamed of yourself!! You killed 5 innocent coyotes as they were headed to work so that they could support themselves and their families?? How horrible! You beast!!!
I have half a mind to tell Hillary Clinton about you! I just might!!
Gotta love South Dakota predator laws! Killed 5 in the last week just going down the road for work.
What?? You ought to be ashamed of yourself!! You killed 5 innocent coyotes as they were headed to work so that they could support themselves and their families?? How horrible! You beast!!!
I have half a mind to tell Hillary Clinton about you! I just might!!
Originally Posted By: orkanOriginally Posted By: B23Originally Posted By: orkan Yes, the 16" 22-250 does a much better job of flattening coyotes than a .223rem.
Yeah, but is it enough to anchor those zombie prairie dogs you shoot that the wimpy .223 can barely do???
Right... because I'm obviously SOOOOO unreasonable for saying a .223 will let some p-dogs down the hole at 500yds.
I'm not the one in here telling people what they can't use on coyotes. Though I sure as heck will not be party to perpetuating the illusion that a .223 is overly effective on them in many situations either. ... and that's exactly what it is, an illusion.
I wasn't trying to pick on you, only having a little fun at your expense. If you took it personally, my apologies as it was only meant in good humor.
And FWIW, if I was shooting zombie PD's, I'd more than likely use my Buck Rogers Space Gun and even then I'm not sure it'd be enough gun.
Yeah, but is it enough to anchor those zombie prairie dogs you shoot that the wimpy .223 can barely do???
I'm not the one in here telling people what they can't use on coyotes. Though I sure as heck will not be party to perpetuating the illusion that a .223 is overly effective on them in many situations either. ... and that's exactly what it is, an illusion.
I wasn't trying to pick on you, only having a little fun at your expense. If you took it personally, my apologies as it was only meant in good humor.
And FWIW, if I was shooting zombie PD's, I'd more than likely use my Buck Rogers Space Gun and even then I'm not sure it'd be enough gun.
Smokin250
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Originally Posted By: coleridge
So, for example: Hunter X uses a, 16" 22-250 and hunter Y uses a 223 with a 28" barrel ... Which one will have the better success rate flattening critters with the same bullet? (Of course the 22-250 is going to be WAY better, because it's supposed to; right?)
Now compare a 26" 22-250 to a 16" 223 (which is usually what happens) and I see how a man could think one is way better. But again; not really a fair shake is it.
As for long range.... When you get into the High BC 22cal bullets (I'm talking about the stuff that can't be loaded to the 2.26" length). Run them in a freebore that will allow full case capacity (the bullet boattail/base junction seated just above case shoulder/neck junction). Even the vanilla 223 will run pretty close to anything near it's class. Especially any factory offering for the 22-250, and even better than some...
To throw a blanket over any mass is a bit ignorant. Just something to think about...
My 21.5" 7.7 twist 223 smashes steel at 1k way better than my 26" 14twist 22-250....now what!
So, for example: Hunter X uses a, 16" 22-250 and hunter Y uses a 223 with a 28" barrel ... Which one will have the better success rate flattening critters with the same bullet? (Of course the 22-250 is going to be WAY better, because it's supposed to; right?)
Now compare a 26" 22-250 to a 16" 223 (which is usually what happens) and I see how a man could think one is way better. But again; not really a fair shake is it.
As for long range.... When you get into the High BC 22cal bullets (I'm talking about the stuff that can't be loaded to the 2.26" length). Run them in a freebore that will allow full case capacity (the bullet boattail/base junction seated just above case shoulder/neck junction). Even the vanilla 223 will run pretty close to anything near it's class. Especially any factory offering for the 22-250, and even better than some...
To throw a blanket over any mass is a bit ignorant. Just something to think about...
My 21.5" 7.7 twist 223 smashes steel at 1k way better than my 26" 14twist 22-250....now what!
Originally Posted By: reaper4Msinc, I guess us marylander think alike. Never felt under gunned with a 223 and have a soft spot for the 22 wmr
I like mine too...I like that it is quiet, I also like that I don't have to run a class III suppressor to kill the muzzle flash so my 3rd gen NV don't bloom up and I cant see the bullet impact. It has never, not one time failed to kill a fox, coyote or any other animal around here that responds to the caller.
Several years ago when we first got serious about calling predators someone gave me a DVD intitled "Verminators" or something like that. If I remember right Randy Anderson was in it too. I may be off on the title, I had 3 or 4 DVD's at the time. Anyways, the guy on the DVD, either Rick Palait {sic??} or Mr. Anderson went thru this little thing about filming the kills. He hunted with a 270 at the time he started filming and he attached his camera to it. Needless to say you could not see the bullet impact. He next tried a 243...that didn't work either, so he goes all the way down to a 22magnum and it worked. Him and Rick filmed numerous kills on coyotes, fox and bobcats. All were called in and dropped with a 22 magnum {well, all that they showed...the magic of editing aside...}. All were called in close, just like here. This was one of if not the first DVD's they made. In all fairness, I noticed that in subsequent films Anderson calls, somebody else shoots {bigger rifles} and a third dude films it.
The longest shot I have made here at home with a NV equipped 22 mag is 120 yards and if I had waited he was coming right for me...could have probably shot him at 25 yards like the rest.
I have to agree, and it goes to what I said previously, that you have to match the gun to the location/animal...like the guy said, a 223 twisted up to shoot 77 grain bullets at 1000 yards will reach further than a 22-250 twisted at 1 in 14 shooting a 55 grain slug.
I like mine too...I like that it is quiet, I also like that I don't have to run a class III suppressor to kill the muzzle flash so my 3rd gen NV don't bloom up and I cant see the bullet impact. It has never, not one time failed to kill a fox, coyote or any other animal around here that responds to the caller.
Several years ago when we first got serious about calling predators someone gave me a DVD intitled "Verminators" or something like that. If I remember right Randy Anderson was in it too. I may be off on the title, I had 3 or 4 DVD's at the time. Anyways, the guy on the DVD, either Rick Palait {sic??} or Mr. Anderson went thru this little thing about filming the kills. He hunted with a 270 at the time he started filming and he attached his camera to it. Needless to say you could not see the bullet impact. He next tried a 243...that didn't work either, so he goes all the way down to a 22magnum and it worked. Him and Rick filmed numerous kills on coyotes, fox and bobcats. All were called in and dropped with a 22 magnum {well, all that they showed...the magic of editing aside...}. All were called in close, just like here. This was one of if not the first DVD's they made. In all fairness, I noticed that in subsequent films Anderson calls, somebody else shoots {bigger rifles} and a third dude films it.
The longest shot I have made here at home with a NV equipped 22 mag is 120 yards and if I had waited he was coming right for me...could have probably shot him at 25 yards like the rest.
I have to agree, and it goes to what I said previously, that you have to match the gun to the location/animal...like the guy said, a 223 twisted up to shoot 77 grain bullets at 1000 yards will reach further than a 22-250 twisted at 1 in 14 shooting a 55 grain slug.
SlickerThanSnot
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Originally Posted By: Smokin250My 21.5" 7.7 twist 223 smashes steel at 1k way better than my 26" 14twist 22-250....now what!
coleridge
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Originally Posted By: Smokin250
My 21.5" 7.7 twist 223 smashes steel at 1k way better than my 26" 14twist 22-250....now what!
Kinda what I was getting at. Not really a fair comparison either is it.?.?.?
Only used the barrel length thing to point out that it is possible for a 223 to match exactly what a 22-250 does. If your short 22-250 hits coyotes like a VW bus... Then my long 223 does exactly the same. Or, if your 24" barrel 22-250 kills coyotes like the hammer of Thor at 650 yards. My 24" 223 kills them exactly the same way at at 575 yards. Same bullet going same speed kills the same, regardless of headstamp!!!
To say one cartridge is insufficient, but the other is great out to extreme ranges... Well that's silly. Now to say my 22-250 is pretty much a 100 yard better performer than your 223 loaded with same bullet; I can wrap my head around that.
My 21.5" 7.7 twist 223 smashes steel at 1k way better than my 26" 14twist 22-250....now what!
Kinda what I was getting at. Not really a fair comparison either is it.?.?.?
Only used the barrel length thing to point out that it is possible for a 223 to match exactly what a 22-250 does. If your short 22-250 hits coyotes like a VW bus... Then my long 223 does exactly the same. Or, if your 24" barrel 22-250 kills coyotes like the hammer of Thor at 650 yards. My 24" 223 kills them exactly the same way at at 575 yards. Same bullet going same speed kills the same, regardless of headstamp!!!
To say one cartridge is insufficient, but the other is great out to extreme ranges... Well that's silly. Now to say my 22-250 is pretty much a 100 yard better performer than your 223 loaded with same bullet; I can wrap my head around that.
FairChase93
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Originally Posted By: RustydustOriginally Posted By: FairChase93
Gotta love South Dakota predator laws! Killed 5 in the last week just going down the road for work.
What?? You ought to be ashamed of yourself!! You killed 5 innocent coyotes as they were headed to work so that they could support themselves and their families?? How horrible! You beast!!!
I have half a mind to tell Hillary Clinton about you! I just might!!
Well you see I was worried that everyone was gonna find out about my coyotes so I hurried up and deleted them real quick. Even used a special program and everything just to make sure nobody found them! But it's ok I didn't really mean to.
No 223s were harmed in the making of this post!
Gotta love South Dakota predator laws! Killed 5 in the last week just going down the road for work.
What?? You ought to be ashamed of yourself!! You killed 5 innocent coyotes as they were headed to work so that they could support themselves and their families?? How horrible! You beast!!!
I have half a mind to tell Hillary Clinton about you! I just might!!
Well you see I was worried that everyone was gonna find out about my coyotes so I hurried up and deleted them real quick. Even used a special program and everything just to make sure nobody found them! But it's ok I didn't really mean to.
No 223s were harmed in the making of this post!
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Originally Posted By: reaper4Msinc you ought to come out one night and try a suppressed 22 wmr it's a fun time
Thanks, just because I don't have to run a suppressor doesn't mean I don't want to!!! I would love to try that out sometime. I am all the way down in southern Md. the fastest I can be on eastern shore is about 3 hours and that is just off the bridge.
Thanks, just because I don't have to run a suppressor doesn't mean I don't want to!!! I would love to try that out sometime. I am all the way down in southern Md. the fastest I can be on eastern shore is about 3 hours and that is just off the bridge.
Foxpro.223
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The individual responsible for writing that sounds like Jim Zumbo or one of Michael Bloombergs trolls trying to win the hearts and minds of rugged American outdoorsmen into giving up more of their rights.
Lets face it, you give into their wishes of banning semi-auto rifles and they will never stop there. It will be bolt guns next and so on and so fourth. They (the gun grabbers) have wanted to ban bolt action deer rifles for a long time now, they want to term deer rifles as sniper rifles and designate them unfit for civilians to own. Same with semi-auto shotguns, they (the gun grabbers and the communists at the ATF) have been wanting to designate semi-auto shotguns as destrctive devices and make them illegal for civies,... I mean we the surfs to own.
Lets face it, you give into their wishes of banning semi-auto rifles and they will never stop there. It will be bolt guns next and so on and so fourth. They (the gun grabbers) have wanted to ban bolt action deer rifles for a long time now, they want to term deer rifles as sniper rifles and designate them unfit for civilians to own. Same with semi-auto shotguns, they (the gun grabbers and the communists at the ATF) have been wanting to designate semi-auto shotguns as destrctive devices and make them illegal for civies,... I mean we the surfs to own.
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