6.5 Creedmore ????
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Nonnieselman
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Its the coolest thing since sliced bread... OR something like that.
First off... it's Creedmoor.
It's efficient, highly marketed and all in all a great LR caliber. It shoots relatively the same as the 260 Remington, 6.5 Lapua but it's just marketed in such a way that there is more factory ammunition for it and more companies are chambering factory rifles in it than any of the other 6.5 calibers.
It's efficient, highly marketed and all in all a great LR caliber. It shoots relatively the same as the 260 Remington, 6.5 Lapua but it's just marketed in such a way that there is more factory ammunition for it and more companies are chambering factory rifles in it than any of the other 6.5 calibers.
First off, the ballistics of 6.5 bullets are different than 6 mm bullets.
Your question should compare to other 6.5mm offerings and not 6mm ones.
Your question should compare to other 6.5mm offerings and not 6mm ones.
Originally Posted By: MGYSGTGotta ask. Just what, is all the hubbub over the 6.5 Creedmore? Is it that much better than the other 6 or 6.5's out there?
the 6.5x47 Lapua and the 6.5 Creed are really darlings to work with. The Creed takes about 3g more powder than the creed, perhaps 4.0g.
With the 6.5x47, you actually gain a shorter OAL.
I have barrels in both of these two cartridges, they are within 50 fps of each other, and the shorter OAL is a blessing to work with on the 47.
If you want to go to a 260 AI, you get the 143-147's to 3000 fps depending on how long the barrel is, use wyatt's mag box on a Rem 700 or a mid length custom action.
ON a long action, the 6.5x55 on a 700 long action or a Tikka re barrel, the 130g Accubond is doing 3130 fps out of a 26" barrel with R#26, put that in your pipe and puff on that for a while. Also, the 143's are doing 2900, forget wearing out Lapua 6.5x55 brass,
The big deal on all these 6.5's, is that you find a load real quick, and the loads repeat day after day. With the 47, you are using between 34-36.5g of powder, which translates to a butt load of bullets fired down that barrel before the leade is shot out to the point to where you can't chase the lands.
If you use a little planning on the rifle build relating to how you are going to chase the lands as the leade wears, the result will be well over 2500 rounds of very, very accurate barrel life. With a Remington 700, having the gunsmith install a Wyatt's magazine box, Choosing use a mid length action, or Tikka, the barrel life is going to be astounding to say the least.
Guys using an AR platform should to a 6.5x47 lapua and never look back if they are reloaders...due to shorter length case.
Perhaps, the majority of shooters do not understand the relationship between leade growth and loss of accuracy.
The 6 Creed just kicks less, and shooter fatigue is huge in PRS. Active PRS shooters go though up to Three 6 Creed barrels per year due to long leade that this case loves to stop pressure spikes.
Barrels are consumables, choose according to your budget and fun factor.
For PRS Shooting, there is a huge move into the 6 Dasher...RECOIL & ACCURACY!
the 6.5x47 Lapua and the 6.5 Creed are really darlings to work with. The Creed takes about 3g more powder than the creed, perhaps 4.0g.
With the 6.5x47, you actually gain a shorter OAL.
I have barrels in both of these two cartridges, they are within 50 fps of each other, and the shorter OAL is a blessing to work with on the 47.
If you want to go to a 260 AI, you get the 143-147's to 3000 fps depending on how long the barrel is, use wyatt's mag box on a Rem 700 or a mid length custom action.
ON a long action, the 6.5x55 on a 700 long action or a Tikka re barrel, the 130g Accubond is doing 3130 fps out of a 26" barrel with R#26, put that in your pipe and puff on that for a while. Also, the 143's are doing 2900, forget wearing out Lapua 6.5x55 brass,
The big deal on all these 6.5's, is that you find a load real quick, and the loads repeat day after day. With the 47, you are using between 34-36.5g of powder, which translates to a butt load of bullets fired down that barrel before the leade is shot out to the point to where you can't chase the lands.
If you use a little planning on the rifle build relating to how you are going to chase the lands as the leade wears, the result will be well over 2500 rounds of very, very accurate barrel life. With a Remington 700, having the gunsmith install a Wyatt's magazine box, Choosing use a mid length action, or Tikka, the barrel life is going to be astounding to say the least.
Guys using an AR platform should to a 6.5x47 lapua and never look back if they are reloaders...due to shorter length case.
Perhaps, the majority of shooters do not understand the relationship between leade growth and loss of accuracy.
The 6 Creed just kicks less, and shooter fatigue is huge in PRS. Active PRS shooters go though up to Three 6 Creed barrels per year due to long leade that this case loves to stop pressure spikes.
Barrels are consumables, choose according to your budget and fun factor.
For PRS Shooting, there is a huge move into the 6 Dasher...RECOIL & ACCURACY!
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I get that a long 6.5 bullet has better BC than a long 6mm bullet (depending on weight). However it seems there is run-amuck activity over the 6.5 and 6mm Creedmore. It is to the point, that nobody can get 4350 powder to load the ammo or even buy the ammo. Can it really be that good? Does Varget not work in the Creedmore. Is it simply that the cartridge case acts like the 6mm BR and 30 BR as far as efficiency vs bullet weight?
wormydog1724
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Creedmoor*
Originally Posted By: MGYSGTI get that a long 6.5 bullet has better BC than a long 6mm bullet (depending on weight). However it seems there is run-amuck activity over the 6.5 and 6mm Creedmore. It is to the point, that nobody can get 4350 powder to load the ammo or even buy the ammo. Can it really be that good? Does Varget not work in the Creedmore. Is it simply that the cartridge case acts like the 6mm BR and 30 BR as far as efficiency vs bullet weight? Yes its better. How many more people need to say that for you to understand.
Ackleymans post was spot on!!!
Nothing like the 6 or 30BR, whole different ball game.
Ackleymans post was spot on!!!
Nothing like the 6 or 30BR, whole different ball game.
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Winny Fan
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Originally Posted By: Catdog1Originally Posted By: MGYSGTI get that a long 6.5 bullet has better BC than a long 6mm bullet (depending on weight). However it seems there is run-amuck activity over the 6.5 and 6mm Creedmore. It is to the point, that nobody can get 4350 powder to load the ammo or even buy the ammo. Can it really be that good? Does Varget not work in the Creedmore. Is it simply that the cartridge case acts like the 6mm BR and 30 BR as far as efficiency vs bullet weight? Yes its better. How many more people need to say that for you to understand.
Ackleymans post was spot on!!!
Nothing like the 6 or 30BR, whole different ball game.
Ackleymans post was spot on!!!
Nothing like the 6 or 30BR, whole different ball game.
I don’t know about the Creedmoor, but Varget works fine in the Lapua. These were after my first 1,000 bullets ran out, same load shot back to back days. The throat moved 12K over 1,000 rounds if I remember correctly.
And here’s a group at 600, you’ll have to forgive me I misjudged the wind on the final shot and really spoiled a winner.
And here’s a group at 600, you’ll have to forgive me I misjudged the wind on the final shot and really spoiled a winner.
IdahoSawtooth
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Reinventing the wheel you might say. Not any better than any of the other 6.5s in that class. Just a way to sell more rifles and ammo.
Remember all the short mags and super short mags that were going to replace everything. The hype will be gone as soon as the rifle makers come up with something else.
The good old 06 will still be around in another 100 years.
Remember all the short mags and super short mags that were going to replace everything. The hype will be gone as soon as the rifle makers come up with something else.
The good old 06 will still be around in another 100 years.
Like Catdog said, you really can't compare it to any of the BR cartridges or another caliber for that matter (6mm, .30, etc.). 6.5's are in a class of their own. the Creedmoor was actually developed by Hornady as a Match cartridge so the SAAMI specs on it between manufacturers are all incredibly close.
As has been said before about the 6.5 Lapua, it fits very will in a Short action at magazine length. The 260 Remington on the other hand can run into OAL issues when using long bullets seated out to the lands. The 6.5 CreedMOOR doesn't have this issue due to the 30* shoulder on it unless you're really running the bullets out a long ways.
The 30* shoulder also helps with case brass life compared to the 260.
I waffled between the Lapua, Creedmoor, and 260 Remington for months before I ordered my custom rifle. I went with the Creedmoor because components are fairly easy to find (I don't have issues finding H4350). And Lapua was just releasing SR primer brass for the Creedmoor. That and if I ever am running short on ammo, there's usually plenty of good quality match ammunition available on store shelves for it; 260 and 6.5 Lapua is scarce.
As has been said before about the 6.5 Lapua, it fits very will in a Short action at magazine length. The 260 Remington on the other hand can run into OAL issues when using long bullets seated out to the lands. The 6.5 CreedMOOR doesn't have this issue due to the 30* shoulder on it unless you're really running the bullets out a long ways.
The 30* shoulder also helps with case brass life compared to the 260.
I waffled between the Lapua, Creedmoor, and 260 Remington for months before I ordered my custom rifle. I went with the Creedmoor because components are fairly easy to find (I don't have issues finding H4350). And Lapua was just releasing SR primer brass for the Creedmoor. That and if I ever am running short on ammo, there's usually plenty of good quality match ammunition available on store shelves for it; 260 and 6.5 Lapua is scarce.
Winny Fan
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Originally Posted By: IdahoSawtoothReinventing the wheel you might say. Not any better than any of the other 6.5s in that class. Just a way to sell more rifles and ammo.
Remember all the short mags and super short mags that were going to replace everything. The hype will be gone as soon as the rifle makers come up with something else.
The good old 06 will still be around in another 100 years.
Ahhhhh...
A man with vision who doesn't get a woody thinking that he's seen the ultimate woman every time a cute and different blond or red head walks by.
I bought into the hype early on a few years ago and the rifle I bought is very accurate, but the cartridge itself is nothing special at my house either. The rifle/cartridge combination sits in a safe most of the time if I'm hunting.
My rifles are used mostly for hunting and I shoot lighter (120-130 grain) bullets in the Creed and the 260 and the 6.5x55 which are very similar in ballistics with small differences that aren't noticeable in practical use. For me 140 grain 6.5 bullets fit well and shoot flat in a 6.5-284, a 264 Win Mag, or a 6.5-06 if needed, and they do what I need done very well.
Please feel free to fire away at my ignorance. I'll hold up somehow.
Remember all the short mags and super short mags that were going to replace everything. The hype will be gone as soon as the rifle makers come up with something else.
The good old 06 will still be around in another 100 years.
Ahhhhh...
I bought into the hype early on a few years ago and the rifle I bought is very accurate, but the cartridge itself is nothing special at my house either. The rifle/cartridge combination sits in a safe most of the time if I'm hunting.
My rifles are used mostly for hunting and I shoot lighter (120-130 grain) bullets in the Creed and the 260 and the 6.5x55 which are very similar in ballistics with small differences that aren't noticeable in practical use. For me 140 grain 6.5 bullets fit well and shoot flat in a 6.5-284, a 264 Win Mag, or a 6.5-06 if needed, and they do what I need done very well.
Please feel free to fire away at my ignorance. I'll hold up somehow.
In theory and on paper, it can be argued the 6.5 Creedmoor is a better design of the 260 Rem. Does that mean it's better or will out shoot the 260 Rem, nope.
I'm not sure if Hornady deserves all the credit for being a marketing genius or if they just came along at the right time with a new 6.5, maybe a little of both, but one thing is for sure, the 6.5 Creedmoor sure does seem to get folks all wet in the pants as soon as you start talking about it.
It's no secret I'm a big fan of the 6.5-284 and for me, even built on a short action and throated to run as a repeater in a SA, the 6.5-284 out performs the 6.5 Creedmoor by 100-100+ fps. Again, for me, the only thing a 6.5 Creed offers over the others, is easily available factory ammo and to the masses, that's a pretty big deal.
I'm not sure if Hornady deserves all the credit for being a marketing genius or if they just came along at the right time with a new 6.5, maybe a little of both, but one thing is for sure, the 6.5 Creedmoor sure does seem to get folks all wet in the pants as soon as you start talking about it.
It's no secret I'm a big fan of the 6.5-284 and for me, even built on a short action and throated to run as a repeater in a SA, the 6.5-284 out performs the 6.5 Creedmoor by 100-100+ fps. Again, for me, the only thing a 6.5 Creed offers over the others, is easily available factory ammo and to the masses, that's a pretty big deal.
Like others, I bought into the hype myself. Then got out and for some reason, got in it again. But now the rifle has less than a hundred rounds through it and it sets. I can't seem to get enough ambition to try to work up a load for it. I think its next on the chopping block.
MGYSGT, barrel life will be better in the 6.5's than the 6's.
With the shortage of H4350, I found that with the 143-147 bullets, AA4350 is the darling child.
Also, R#26 is turning the 260 into std 6.5/284 ballistic's with the 140g at 2900+ depending on the barrel and throat in the rifle.
I have a custom pac nor 6.5/06 and have not tried R#26 with the heavies with this case yet.
IN my 24" Creed, the 130g accubond and 127g Barnes long range(very easy to tune bullet) top velocity in Hornady brass was 3150fps, bug hole accuracy node is at 2950. 47's with large primer and 26 with 130's was 2875 fps in 24" Barrel. Seems like the 26 likes large hot primers so I made some brass from Remington 22/250 brass, and the loads shot bugholes.
For the short action, the 260 AI with #26 and 147's is going to be a 3000 fps gun with a 24" barrel...I will get there later on this year.
If you just like to shoot Pepsi cans at 500 yards, then a 6.5/BR shooting 120g MK will really tickle your fancy.
With the shortage of H4350, I found that with the 143-147 bullets, AA4350 is the darling child.
Also, R#26 is turning the 260 into std 6.5/284 ballistic's with the 140g at 2900+ depending on the barrel and throat in the rifle.
I have a custom pac nor 6.5/06 and have not tried R#26 with the heavies with this case yet.
IN my 24" Creed, the 130g accubond and 127g Barnes long range(very easy to tune bullet) top velocity in Hornady brass was 3150fps, bug hole accuracy node is at 2950. 47's with large primer and 26 with 130's was 2875 fps in 24" Barrel. Seems like the 26 likes large hot primers so I made some brass from Remington 22/250 brass, and the loads shot bugholes.
For the short action, the 260 AI with #26 and 147's is going to be a 3000 fps gun with a 24" barrel...I will get there later on this year.
If you just like to shoot Pepsi cans at 500 yards, then a 6.5/BR shooting 120g MK will really tickle your fancy.
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People seem to forget the 6.5 CRDM was developed primarily to shoot heavy for caliber bullets in a standard length short action. The case was also intended for medium burn rate powders like H4350. The 6.5 CRDM was especially well received by the large frame auto shooters. I have had several 6.5 calibers that smoke the 6.5 Creed, but they all take long actions.
For those who want even more velocity in a short action, enter the 6.5 SAUM. These cartridges work very well for their intended purposes. For the average hunter who likes a short action, the good old 7mm-08 is about as good as it gets, unless one likes to tinker with the newest flavor of Kool-Aide.
For those who want even more velocity in a short action, enter the 6.5 SAUM. These cartridges work very well for their intended purposes. For the average hunter who likes a short action, the good old 7mm-08 is about as good as it gets, unless one likes to tinker with the newest flavor of Kool-Aide.
Rustydust
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Originally Posted By: IdahoSawtoothReinventing the wheel you might say. Not any better than any of the other 6.5s in that class. Just a way to sell more rifles and ammo.
I think that says it very well. I have no .264 bore rifles at all anymore and have no need for one. But if I had a hankering for one I'm sure that the .260 or .260 AI would suit me just fine.
I think that says it very well. I have no .264 bore rifles at all anymore and have no need for one. But if I had a hankering for one I'm sure that the .260 or .260 AI would suit me just fine.