A-max for deer

ethical is in the hands of the riflemen. I agree with ridgerunner, and I know for a fact that Kirby Allen has all the knowledge he needs to put the rifle together for him to make those shots.

Whenever us LR hunters enter into a discussion, the question of ethics comes up. Therefore, we have to be better shots, since we are always under the microscope when we take long shots. The track record, considering RidgeRunner is like myself, is due to the fact that we shoot something like 20-40 bullets at long range paper, for every deer we shoot at. The paper practice makes the field shots soo much more probable. In the LR game, one must evaluate the REAL drop, as well as the holdover points and adjustments and incorporate the use of a laser rangefinder. KNowing the EXACT range, can make the difference.

Just my .002"
 
I just reread my last post. It comes off sounding sort of smart aleck, and, maybe it was meant to be. The second quote of RR's has an arrogant ring to it and I guess it got my goat a little.

Allow me to say this, I probably won't agree with the the extreme long range shoting of game animals. But that's ok, you'll do as you see fit and is legal and ethical in your mind. I prefer to do my hunting before the shot. I'm a woods hunter and nearly all my shots are in timber and under 100 yards. I have had some training behind precision rifles, however, I would venture that all things equal, it's been medicore training and limited when considering the "big picture." I've hunted Wyoming three times and killed some pronghorn and mule deer, a few around three hundred yards. Shot prarie dogs and scored a hit at 515 long paces with my antelope rifle, a .270 with fast stepping handloaded 130 grain boattail. Shoot often at my gun club, however, that range is a 300 yard max. That is admittedly very limited long range experience and I have no doubt as to many, many, of ya'll having more knowledge and experience. I was taught to hunt close. That's why I am a still hunter, slipping through the timber, getting within range and trying for a good shot through the brush at an unalarmed deer. I shoot way more than 20 - 40 practice shots per deer taken. I enjoy handloading and shooting, so that's part of the "hunt" for me, the pre-hunt stuff. Different strokes for different folks. If all this makes me just another "average" guy as stated in RR's post, so be it. I'm alright with that. I am interested and willing to listen and learn. So take this for whatever it's worth to you.
 
No arguments here GC, I was just reiterating RR's position and stating that I have seen the same things. The shooter who has never even tried 300yds at paper, let alone a deer, is always the one yelling unethical. I hunt in the dense woods here too, I just have summer access to beanfields and crop damage permits, so I get the whole summer for LR and the winter to hunt in the woods during season.

The vast majority, you will find, who try to discourage you from trying long shots (or even working up to them on paper beforehand) will be some of the lesser impressive shooters you have been around. Todays equipment, even some factory stuff, is very capable of MOA and better even past 600yds (handloads and a bench of course).

No flames from me,....I remember when 300yds was a tough shot for me.
 
I don't shoot big game at long range only because I'm concerned with meat quality not racks, and want an instant (not just first shot) kill. I only take shots where I can hit the brain stem, and that means proper game position and under 100Yds.

I do really enjoy long range hunting though.

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With all the great bullets designed to actually shoot game, I can't fathom why there would be an actual need to choose a bullet not actually designed for such an activity.



With any of my specialty (long range) rifles I generally figure out what works best (most accurate) in that rifle and that's pretty much the only load I shoot in it.

So for instance, if I were to use my accurized Rem .308 "Police Sniper" for deer, I would probably use a 168gr MatchKing since that's what that rifle likes, what my tool head for that rifle is set up for, and what I usually have a bunch of already loaded. It also does a great job of killing at all ranges (coyote from 30-890Yds) as well as punching holes in paper.
 
Ok I'm back, looks like I started something but thats ok I got lots of info I was looking for, such as, It's not a good idea that I use the A-max, so I won't. Thats why I asked, I wanted to know.

A shot distance ? came up, It will be just average woods deer hunting. So no there will not be no 600 yard shots. I'll get as close as I can get but for arguements sake lets just say no more than 300 yards, and thats pushing my comfort limit.

Whoever asked something about it being a stand rifle...it will be carried, I don't have a deer stand.

Whoever Mentioned the Rem 700 police. Thats my future deer rifle, the 308 barrel is just temporary until I can afford to get it and fix it up to my liking such as adding a Choate ultimate sniper stock.

Seems that for what deer hunting I will be doin that any Hunting type bullet I use will be fine. Thanks alot for your comments guys they have helped prevent me from making the mistake I didn't want to make, causing a deer to suffer cause I choose the wrong bullet.

whoever said I should put tc"the nut"223encore in my sig line....that was just to get the one that called me a nut rather than answer my ? to lighten up some on the attack.

And for All....I made the draw, I got my deer tag!!!!!!

t/c223encore.
 
sounds like a good place for a balistic tip. Out to 300yds, that bullet is nothing but wicked.

oh yeah, 2 more bean munchers went down to the a-max last night. The hits just keep on coming. (grin)
 
I can assure you that if you had said in your first post that you would NOT be shooting Deer over 300 yards, my
response & I feel others as well would have been totally
different. The A-Max is an accuracy bullet with good long range results (& short range too for those who understand to change placement accordingly).
If you take several of the hunting bullets & see which shoots good in your barrel, then you are good to go. I agree with JustC in that the Bal. Tip will be good (with
308 velocities). But the Hon. Interlock or SST, Accubond,
SGK, TSX, all of these can be very accurate. If the A-Max
groups 1/2" better at 250 yards, who cares, you can find one
of these will be very accurate & do the job.
If you are stuck on 150's but yet your Deer are big with alot of Mature Bucks & you may shoot some of these close, then I would lean toward testing the bonded bullets or TSX, otherwise any of these would work. Again, I was thinking
too much about ranges that you won't be shooting anyway.
 


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