Bolt action vs. AR for predators?
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NM_HighPlains
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Quote:I've never tried new frontier, but i've done a few builds for people on plum crazy lowers,
Originally Posted By: HoierModel 1 Sales and then you need a $100 Stripped lower and you can upgrade as you get the funds.
Lower, upper, blah, blah... You're talking about building a gun, not buying one and I don't have a clue how to put one of these things together! I'm sure once you've done one or two, it makes sense, but I got my Savage, put a scope on it (I can handle that much), sighted it in, done! Okay, I worked up some loads for it but that doesn't count.
You're also trotting out names with which I'm not familiar. I looked at DPMS, Rock River Arms, and Remington and I don't think I can get one of those for $600.
Maybe we oughta have a demonstration on "building an AR" at the PM hunt? It would be fun, anyway.
Originally Posted By: HoierModel 1 Sales and then you need a $100 Stripped lower and you can upgrade as you get the funds.
Lower, upper, blah, blah... You're talking about building a gun, not buying one and I don't have a clue how to put one of these things together! I'm sure once you've done one or two, it makes sense, but I got my Savage, put a scope on it (I can handle that much), sighted it in, done! Okay, I worked up some loads for it but that doesn't count.
You're also trotting out names with which I'm not familiar. I looked at DPMS, Rock River Arms, and Remington and I don't think I can get one of those for $600.
Maybe we oughta have a demonstration on "building an AR" at the PM hunt? It would be fun, anyway.
bigsky_songdogs
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NM Highplains, its easier than it sounds. Give it a try
I know AR brands, anythoughts on the other rifles listed, or bolt vs AR
(I knew it would be mildly compustable)
I know AR brands, anythoughts on the other rifles listed, or bolt vs AR
(I knew it would be mildly compustable)
NM_HighPlains
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Originally Posted By: HoierIf you buy a New frontier upper receiver and a Plum Crazy lower is all you have to do is push the 2 pins in, its WAY easier then mounting the scope.
Okay, fair enough. However, I've never heard of New Frontier or Plum Crazy until this thread, so this is knowledge I didn't have 3 years ago when I bought my Savage.
Back to the earlier point, the big advantage of an AR, as far as I can tell, are "follow up shots". However, I rarely take 2 shots at a single coyote, so that just doesn't seem like something I'd use much.
What other advantages?
What disadvantages?
Okay, fair enough. However, I've never heard of New Frontier or Plum Crazy until this thread, so this is knowledge I didn't have 3 years ago when I bought my Savage.
Back to the earlier point, the big advantage of an AR, as far as I can tell, are "follow up shots". However, I rarely take 2 shots at a single coyote, so that just doesn't seem like something I'd use much.
What other advantages?
What disadvantages?
Bolt action is all I use. Never have hit myself in the face with the bolt. Never have lowered it to my waste to jack another round in. Not sayin anything bad about a AR, but unless someone gives me one, I'll keep shootin my bolt action rifles. I've killed more than small pox did with them.
the noobie
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Bolt action gets my vote.. mainly because neither me or my dad have an AR.
I would definatley love to get one they seem like they would be a lot of fun but they are a bit pricey... i guess after 3 or 4 years of packing around the 700 Tactical i will get sick of the heavy weight of it and upgrade to an AR but for now im bolt guns.
I would definatley love to get one they seem like they would be a lot of fun but they are a bit pricey... i guess after 3 or 4 years of packing around the 700 Tactical i will get sick of the heavy weight of it and upgrade to an AR but for now im bolt guns.
Tactical .20
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I can see why it would be hard to cycle a remington bolt, throw is long. My Browning is real nice with the short bolt throw. I like it also because of 6 shot capacity, with a removeable magazine.
the noobie
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Originally Posted By: Tactical .20I can see why it would be hard to cycle a remington bolt,
am i missing something? not trying to be a smart $#@ but ive never had a problem with my short action remingtons hit me when cycling... i have a good 2 inches between my nose and my hand... maybe i just have long eye relief so i get off ok with that??
am i missing something? not trying to be a smart $#@ but ive never had a problem with my short action remingtons hit me when cycling... i have a good 2 inches between my nose and my hand... maybe i just have long eye relief so i get off ok with that??
NM Leon
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Quote:NM highplains you can get you a very good shooting AR for $630 or so brand new.
I guess it depends on your definition of "very good shooting". None of my ARs cost me less than $1000 and most considerably more. All but two I've built myself, at least the lower. Put in a Magpul prs stock, a Gieselle or Jewell trigger, some furniture, a custom barrel, and pretty soon you are talking some money.
On the other hand, Put in a Jewel trigger, a McMillan stock, and a custom barrel on a bolt gun to make it "very good shooting", and you are talking about some bucks too.
For close up coyote shooting I prefer an AR, and I'll readily admit to being enamored with the platform. It does allow quick follow-ups, but mostly it's just a heck of a lot of fun.
Quote:There is no way you can keep your cheek against the butt stock and bolt a gun , it will hit you in the face you have to move it some,
Quote:I to dont know why some guys bring it all the way down to there waist, but you do have to loose your cheek weld , No way around that without being hit in the face.
Actually no, you don't. I too have always thought that to be the case, but I spent the weekend at a long range marksmanship class with Mark Spicer and a couple of still operational SWAT snipers at the Craft International training facility in N. Az.
Mark, a world class sniper who literally "wrote the book" (3 of them), is a fellow instructor with my daughter's boyfriend/fiancee Rigo Durazzo and a good friend of their's, invited me to come and participate in his class.
One of the primary things he emphasises is to NOT break you cheek weld, and to keep your focus in/on the scope picture in order to reduce group size (key to long range accuracy).
I (like others here) had basically never done it that way before, but he was right.
Pull your bolt all the way back, position your face/cheek weld immediatly behind it (just touching), adjust your scope eye relief to that position.
I got repeated hits out to 1300+ yds in 20mph 1/4-1/2 value winds on 10" targets with my 7mm Mag, and can tell you it works like a charm.
I guess it depends on your definition of "very good shooting". None of my ARs cost me less than $1000 and most considerably more. All but two I've built myself, at least the lower. Put in a Magpul prs stock, a Gieselle or Jewell trigger, some furniture, a custom barrel, and pretty soon you are talking some money.
On the other hand, Put in a Jewel trigger, a McMillan stock, and a custom barrel on a bolt gun to make it "very good shooting", and you are talking about some bucks too.
For close up coyote shooting I prefer an AR, and I'll readily admit to being enamored with the platform. It does allow quick follow-ups, but mostly it's just a heck of a lot of fun.
Quote:There is no way you can keep your cheek against the butt stock and bolt a gun , it will hit you in the face you have to move it some,
Quote:I to dont know why some guys bring it all the way down to there waist, but you do have to loose your cheek weld , No way around that without being hit in the face.
Actually no, you don't. I too have always thought that to be the case, but I spent the weekend at a long range marksmanship class with Mark Spicer and a couple of still operational SWAT snipers at the Craft International training facility in N. Az.
Mark, a world class sniper who literally "wrote the book" (3 of them), is a fellow instructor with my daughter's boyfriend/fiancee Rigo Durazzo and a good friend of their's, invited me to come and participate in his class.
One of the primary things he emphasises is to NOT break you cheek weld, and to keep your focus in/on the scope picture in order to reduce group size (key to long range accuracy).
I (like others here) had basically never done it that way before, but he was right.
Pull your bolt all the way back, position your face/cheek weld immediatly behind it (just touching), adjust your scope eye relief to that position.
I got repeated hits out to 1300+ yds in 20mph 1/4-1/2 value winds on 10" targets with my 7mm Mag, and can tell you it works like a charm.
rodngun
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This is a easy one- For long distance shooting - hands down a 700....If you can get sub moa with a AR- I would like to see it...I guess if you are always shooting inside say 200 yards though- go with a AR - buddy of mine bought a Rock River..nice weapon.The last 3 Yotes I killed were dead at the same time bang bang & bang..3 on the ground- 223 bolt action.I never got caught up in the AR craze thats going on..I will keep shooting my 70O ..I guess if I had not slept with a AR platform in the military or had not used one for 27 years with the state of texas....I would probably think I needed a AR...
My Critter getter and hog killer of choice-
Remington 700 Varmint with 26 inch pipe - 22-250 with handloads.Take another one off the count!!
My Critter getter and hog killer of choice-
Remington 700 Varmint with 26 inch pipe - 22-250 with handloads.Take another one off the count!!
rodngun
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Originally Posted By: NM_HighPlainsQuote:I've never tried new frontier, but i've done a few builds for people on plum crazy lowers,
Originally Posted By: HoierModel 1 Sales and then you need a $100 Stripped lower and you can upgrade as you get the funds.
Lower, upper, blah, blah... You're talking about building a gun, not buying one and I don't have a clue how to put one of these things together! I'm sure once you've done one or two, it makes sense, but I got my Savage, put a scope on it (I can handle that much), sighted it in, done! Okay, I worked up some loads for it but that doesn't count.
You're also trotting out names with which I'm not familiar. I looked at DPMS, Rock River Arms, and Remington and I don't think I can get one of those for $600.
Maybe we oughta have a demonstration on "building an AR" at the PM hunt? It would be fun, anyway.
when he quoted that price - I believe the young man is probably seeing some AR type's that are 22's.....Just saying..if he can find a Rock River or Dpms or a M&P for that price- I would like to know where ????
Originally Posted By: HoierModel 1 Sales and then you need a $100 Stripped lower and you can upgrade as you get the funds.
Lower, upper, blah, blah... You're talking about building a gun, not buying one and I don't have a clue how to put one of these things together! I'm sure once you've done one or two, it makes sense, but I got my Savage, put a scope on it (I can handle that much), sighted it in, done! Okay, I worked up some loads for it but that doesn't count.
You're also trotting out names with which I'm not familiar. I looked at DPMS, Rock River Arms, and Remington and I don't think I can get one of those for $600.
Maybe we oughta have a demonstration on "building an AR" at the PM hunt? It would be fun, anyway.
when he quoted that price - I believe the young man is probably seeing some AR type's that are 22's.....Just saying..if he can find a Rock River or Dpms or a M&P for that price- I would like to know where ????
WSMBUCK
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Originally Posted By: rodngunOriginally Posted By: NM_HighPlainsQuote:I've never tried new frontier, but i've done a few builds for people on plum crazy lowers,
Originally Posted By: HoierModel 1 Sales and then you need a $100 Stripped lower and you can upgrade as you get the funds.
Lower, upper, blah, blah... You're talking about building a gun, not buying one and I don't have a clue how to put one of these things together! I'm sure once you've done one or two, it makes sense, but I got my Savage, put a scope on it (I can handle that much), sighted it in, done! Okay, I worked up some loads for it but that doesn't count.
You're also trotting out names with which I'm not familiar. I looked at DPMS, Rock River Arms, and Remington and I don't think I can get one of those for $600.
Maybe we oughta have a demonstration on "building an AR" at the PM hunt? It would be fun, anyway.
when he quoted that price - I believe the young man is probably seeing some AR type's that are 22's.....Just saying..if he can find a Rock River or Dpms or a M&P for that price- I would like to know where ????
No sir that isnt for any 22 thats for a 6x45 complete upper for $499 now, they were $450 if you look on the AR section you will see how many guys are shooting them and getting great groups from them, New Frontier is a sponsor here and they sell those uppers and also the Plum Crazy lowers along with another sponsor , i cant think of there name right off the top of my head. And Specialized Dynamics is also building the 6x45's and they having a group buy right now on the 6.5 Grendel/264 LBC $699 and everyone knows how good his guns shoot.
I to have always been a Bolt guy till about a year ago , and made the switch over to AR's for my Predator hunting guns. I have a Custom AR being built as we speak for both duties Whitetails and Predators, but i still have plenty of bolt guns as well.
Here is a link just so some can see how these little low price uppers can shoot. Not saying anything in the WORLD is wrong with a bolt gun, god knows i have killed hundreds and hundreds of animals with them, just letting everyone know you can get into the AR's for alot cheaper then use to. Heck Barry has one he has less then $600 in and loves it.
http://www.predatormastersforums.com/for...739#Post1704739
Originally Posted By: HoierModel 1 Sales and then you need a $100 Stripped lower and you can upgrade as you get the funds.
Lower, upper, blah, blah... You're talking about building a gun, not buying one and I don't have a clue how to put one of these things together! I'm sure once you've done one or two, it makes sense, but I got my Savage, put a scope on it (I can handle that much), sighted it in, done! Okay, I worked up some loads for it but that doesn't count.
You're also trotting out names with which I'm not familiar. I looked at DPMS, Rock River Arms, and Remington and I don't think I can get one of those for $600.
Maybe we oughta have a demonstration on "building an AR" at the PM hunt? It would be fun, anyway.
when he quoted that price - I believe the young man is probably seeing some AR type's that are 22's.....Just saying..if he can find a Rock River or Dpms or a M&P for that price- I would like to know where ????
No sir that isnt for any 22 thats for a 6x45 complete upper for $499 now, they were $450 if you look on the AR section you will see how many guys are shooting them and getting great groups from them, New Frontier is a sponsor here and they sell those uppers and also the Plum Crazy lowers along with another sponsor , i cant think of there name right off the top of my head. And Specialized Dynamics is also building the 6x45's and they having a group buy right now on the 6.5 Grendel/264 LBC $699 and everyone knows how good his guns shoot.
I to have always been a Bolt guy till about a year ago , and made the switch over to AR's for my Predator hunting guns. I have a Custom AR being built as we speak for both duties Whitetails and Predators, but i still have plenty of bolt guns as well.
Here is a link just so some can see how these little low price uppers can shoot. Not saying anything in the WORLD is wrong with a bolt gun, god knows i have killed hundreds and hundreds of animals with them, just letting everyone know you can get into the AR's for alot cheaper then use to. Heck Barry has one he has less then $600 in and loves it.
http://www.predatormastersforums.com/for...739#Post1704739
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Hoier
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Originally Posted By: rodngunThis is a easy one- For long distance shooting - hands down a 700....If you can get sub moa with a AR- I would like to see it..
Seriously???? ARs now have there own class in Benchrest. I bought a cheap Model 1 Sales 16in and free floated the barrel and now it shoots .5 moa before I had it freefloated it would shoot just a tad under moa.
Seriously???? ARs now have there own class in Benchrest. I bought a cheap Model 1 Sales 16in and free floated the barrel and now it shoots .5 moa before I had it freefloated it would shoot just a tad under moa.
WSMBUCK
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Originally Posted By: NM_HighPlainsQuote:I've never tried new frontier, but i've done a few builds for people on plum crazy lowers,
Originally Posted By: HoierModel 1 Sales and then you need a $100 Stripped lower and you can upgrade as you get the funds.
Lower, upper, blah, blah... You're talking about building a gun, not buying one and I don't have a clue how to put one of these things together! I'm sure once you've done one or two, it makes sense, but I got my Savage, put a scope on it (I can handle that much), sighted it in, done! Okay, I worked up some loads for it but that doesn't count.
You're also trotting out names with which I'm not familiar. I looked at DPMS, Rock River Arms, and Remington and I don't think I can get one of those for $600.
Maybe we oughta have a demonstration on "building an AR" at the PM hunt? It would be fun, anyway.
NM Highplanes Look me up at the hunt , i will be there the whole week and would be more then happy to show you about the AR's , heck i will have a few of them with me and you are more then welcome to shoot them and carry one hunting for a few days if you would like to play with one some. Again guys not saying there is a thing in the world wrong with bolt guns its just like the caliber thing some like 223 some like 22 250 to EACH THERE OWN. Just have fun with whatever you carry.
Originally Posted By: HoierModel 1 Sales and then you need a $100 Stripped lower and you can upgrade as you get the funds.
Lower, upper, blah, blah... You're talking about building a gun, not buying one and I don't have a clue how to put one of these things together! I'm sure once you've done one or two, it makes sense, but I got my Savage, put a scope on it (I can handle that much), sighted it in, done! Okay, I worked up some loads for it but that doesn't count.
You're also trotting out names with which I'm not familiar. I looked at DPMS, Rock River Arms, and Remington and I don't think I can get one of those for $600.
Maybe we oughta have a demonstration on "building an AR" at the PM hunt? It would be fun, anyway.
NM Highplanes Look me up at the hunt , i will be there the whole week and would be more then happy to show you about the AR's , heck i will have a few of them with me and you are more then welcome to shoot them and carry one hunting for a few days if you would like to play with one some. Again guys not saying there is a thing in the world wrong with bolt guns its just like the caliber thing some like 223 some like 22 250 to EACH THERE OWN. Just have fun with whatever you carry.
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WSMBUCK
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Originally Posted By: HoierOriginally Posted By: rodngunThis is a easy one- For long distance shooting - hands down a 700....If you can get sub moa with a AR- I would like to see it..
Seriously???? ARs now have there own class in Benchrest. I bought a cheap Model 1 Sales 16in and free floated the barrel and now it shoots .5 moa before I had it freefloated it would shoot just a tad under moa.
Yep i get it out of all my AR's also.
Seriously???? ARs now have there own class in Benchrest. I bought a cheap Model 1 Sales 16in and free floated the barrel and now it shoots .5 moa before I had it freefloated it would shoot just a tad under moa.
Yep i get it out of all my AR's also.