Confirmed 1.3 mile Taliban kill w/ Barrett 50 Cal

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The time of flight to 2500 yds is over 7 seconds - it is impossible to guess the actions of someone two miles away that much time in advance.

It was a lucky shot and he admitted it.

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Go read the book, Catshooter. 3 seconds, on page 266. And there is a picture of the author standing next to Carlos Hathcock on page 266 also. Just in case you don't believe him either.

You seem awfully quick to put down the actions and feats of our military people.

It's okay to be wrong once in a while, Catshooter. But it's not okay to refer to our country's heroes as merely "lucky" because you don't want ot admit it.



And go run the numbers on any ballistic computer, or check the military ballistic charts - it's 7+ seconds - and there is no way to make it less.
7+ seconds of bullet flight over 2 miles, from a gun that shoots ~6" groups at 100 yds, with no wind data - is pure unadulterated luck.

I NEVER put down people in the military. Most of my friends are, or were, in the military, and I have my own time in a country that didn't want me there.

What I do put down is plain BS - throwing around myths and BS just clouds the waters of shooting.

And the new kids believe it and pass it on...

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Read the book, Catshooter. The Ultimate Sniper, the Updated and Expanded edition. Page 266.

Your posting that SnakeaterM24's shot was lucky was quite distasteful, considering the circumstances he was firing under. This goes for your comments regarding Sgt. Hathcock's shot as well.

And your insulting comments I will just choose to ignore.

Have a great day.

4949shooter
 
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calos had 93 confirmed kills, none, absolutely none over 2200 hundred meters, the official record for a sniper kill is held by a canadian sniper shooting a McMillian Tac 50 he took out a taliban sniper at 2,467 meters, and for the first time in history the US president gave out the bronze star of valor to a non-american.
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With all due respect....the Canadian sniper team's shot was 2,675 yards across a valley. He was firing a McMillan rifle.
The source is the same as I quoted earlier.
 
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[Read the book, Catshooter. The Ultimate Sniper, the Updated and Expanded edition. Page 266.

Your posting that SnakeaterM24's shot was lucky was quite distasteful, considering the circumstances he was firing under. This goes for your comments regarding Sgt. Hathcock's shot as well.

And your insulting comments I will just choose to ignore.

Have a great day.

4949shooter



OK... lemme put it a different way.

2,500 yds is 7,500 feet.

The muzzle velocity of a 50BMG is ~2.500 fps - so you believe that a bullet that starts out at 2,500 fps can travel 7,500 feet in 3 seconds?? It would have to travel one and a half miles without loosing ANY velocity at all, and arrive doing 2,500 fps.

You gotta be kidding. Do you ever question anything you read?

Hathcock admitted years later that it was pure luck.

It is one thing to honor heroes, and Hathcock is definitely one of them - but it is another thing to suck up media BS without questioning statements that make absolutely no sense.

If you believe that a bullet can travel a mile and a half and not loose velocity, you are up to your ears in Kool-Aid.

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calos had 93 confirmed kills, none, absolutely none over 2200 hundred meters, the official record for a sniper kill is held by a canadian sniper shooting a McMillian Tac 50 he took out a taliban sniper at 2,467 meters, and for the first time in history the US president gave out the bronze star of valor to a non-american.
RR


With all due respect....the Canadian sniper team's shot was 2,675 yards across a valley. He was firing a McMillan rifle.
The source is the same as I quoted earlier.



excuse me it was 2,430 meters, which is 2,657 yards or 1.51 miles, it was a McMillian tacticle 50, a bolt action varmint rifle (of sorts) chambered in 50 BMG. he had a Nightforce 5.5x22 NXS scope. He came to the aid of the 451rst mechanised battalion, who were sustaining heavy sniper fire, but carlos, had 93 confirmed kills, 213 probables, 2 confirmed over 2000 yards, none over 2200. even with the 50 machine gun, set up to operate single shot with the 36X leupold mounted on it. it wasn't one he picked it was what was available.
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"... even with the 50 machine gun, set up to operate single shot with the 36X leupold mounted on it. it wasn't one he picked it was what was available.
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The M2 50BMG that made that shot was fitted with an 8 power, 1-1/4" Unertl target scope on a jury rigged mount - at the time there was no such scope as a 36x Leupold.

The shot would have required ~225 moa of elevation, which was available on the Unertl, but not on any Leupold - then or now.

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The M2 50BMG that made that shot was fitted with an 8 power, 1-1/4" Unertl target scope on a jury rigged mount - at the time there was no such scope as a 36x Leupold.




I got a chance to read a signed copy of "White Feather" last year, very good book. I think he's right about the scope. The 50 BMG single fed machine gun, he used to take out a seasoned 12 year old veit soldier off his bicycle.

One of his other sniper rifles had a Redfield on it I believe.
 
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calos had 93 confirmed kills, none, absolutely none over 2200 hundred meters, the official record for a sniper kill is held by a canadian sniper shooting a McMillian Tac 50 he took out a taliban sniper at 2,467 meters, and for the first time in history the US president gave out the bronze star of valor to a non-american.
RR


With all due respect....the Canadian sniper team's shot was 2,675 yards across a valley. He was firing a McMillan rifle.
The source is the same as I quoted earlier.



excuse me it was 2,430 meters, which is 2,657 yards or 1.51 miles, it was a McMillian tacticle 50, a bolt action varmint rifle (of sorts) chambered in 50 BMG. he had a Nightforce 5.5x22 NXS scope. He came to the aid of the 451rst mechanised battalion, who were sustaining heavy sniper fire, but carlos, had 93 confirmed kills, 213 probables, 2 confirmed over 2000 yards, none over 2200. even with the 50 machine gun, set up to operate single shot with the 36X leupold mounted on it. it wasn't one he picked it was what was available.
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Well, we can dispute our sources all day long. I have already provided mine. I am going to have to respectfully disagree with some of your points.

Have a good day.
 
CatShooter etal do a web search on the "Foucault Pendulum" I have seen the one in the Smithsonian, makes my head hurt to try to understand. Seems like this same force would influence where a bullet hits? Maybe the question would be, is it enough to matter? No axe to grind here I just find this very intriguing.
 
Let me take this opportunity to apologize to Dawgpound and everyone else for helping to take this thread in a direction it was not intended.

Catshooter, there are no hard feelings on my end.

Have a safe and healthy New Year, everyone.

And God Bless our Troops.

4949
 
Somebody do the math. Whats the fps at the muzzle and the fps at splashdown? Take the average and divide the distance (in feet) by that number. That should tell you time to target.
 
Catshooter I think you are very disrespectful of the brave men and women that are serving our great county. Give the man the credit that is due for risking him life along with the other brave men and women while you sit in your chair and talk [bleep] about them!

God bless our troops!!!
 
Cat do you really think that their going to sell a US Military SNIPER RIFLE to civilians? I don't think the MAN wants us to have that kind of precision. You know what I mean? Some might not like our president.

So can you answer your own question?

I might not be able to spell, but I can fight back. lol

GJ
 
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CatShooter etal do a web search on the "Foucault Pendulum" I have seen the one in the Smithsonian, makes my head hurt to try to understand. Seems like this same force would influence where a bullet hits? Maybe the question would be, is it enough to matter? No axe to grind here I just find this very intriguing.



I know all about the Foucault Pendulum - the bullet would have made it's whole track before the pendulum made 1/3 of a swing.


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Cat do you really think that their going to sell a US Military SNIPER RIFLE to civilians?



Yes!

Inside the door to my gunsafe, there is an M-21 Sniper rifle just under the AR-50, 50BMG, and there are two M-24 sniper rifles on the bottom, one is 308 and one is 300 Win Mag.

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Remington will sell you an M-24 for ~ $4,000 - you can order it from your dealer.

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I might not be able to spell, but I can fight back. lol



You can't do that very well either.

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All respect to the serviceman who made the shot, he obviously put the time in to know his weapon, but at 1.3 miles on a man sized target...c-mon.
Granted, he did everything right to put the bullet on target,but at 1.3 miles in the mountains; there were wind factors at play you cannot begin to factor for. What valleys face the wind, which don't, thermal updrafts, etc, etc...and you factor the Rotation of the Earth and Call it Skill? OK, do it again...and again, it's just skill, easily repeatable once learned.
The serviceman had mucho skill to make the shot work, but to not give luck its due...
I'm with Catshooter, congrats to the shooter, now go buy a lotto ticket quick.
An honest and Hearty thanks for your service!
 
How do you know that it is not one they sell only to us? Some thing has to be different! Maybe it's you? I'm not saying that you cant shoot maybe its... well I don't know. But don't tell me that those rifles they shoot will not shoot better than 2"'s. But if they wouldn't well then you win.


GJ
 
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