Confirmed 1.3 mile Taliban kill w/ Barrett 50 Cal

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How do you know that it is not one they sell only to us? Some thing has to be different!



It is not different - the Barrett 82A is NOT an accurate rifle - do some searching on Barrett forums. It is inherent in the design.

The Barrett 82A's are made for breaking things - you can get lucky, and it takes skill to even get in the neighborhood at that range, but the rifle is not capable of it without luck, and the shot is not repeatable with an 82A.

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Maybe it's you? I'm not saying that you cant shoot... "



Go here - I built the rifle and shot the group at 405 yards with witnesses...

http://www.snipercountry.com/images/Pablito-M24-0.46-target.jpg

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... maybe its... well I don't know. But don't tell me that those rifles they shoot will not shoot better than 2"'s.



Go do some homework - search out Barrett 82A forums.

It's in the design - the barrel is not attached to anything - it slides in loose bushings, as does all the other parts.

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How do you know that it is not one they sell only to us? Some thing has to be different! Maybe it's you? I'm not saying that you cant shoot maybe its... well I don't know. But don't tell me that those rifles they shoot will not shoot better than 2"'s. But if they wouldn't well then you win. GJ



They are military contracts. Low bid wins. That at best gives the very minimum to meet the specs.

Jack
 
I think its safe to say that at distances of a mile or more, yes there's some luck involved. I know what wind does at 600 yards, I can't imagine over 3 times that far. That, in no way should take away from the skill of the shooter. It's not generally a good idea for snipers to take shots that they don't think they can make. It gives away their location. This shooter obviously felt he could make the shot, and he did. From what I've read on the site, it sounds like he's done his homework and spent the time needed to develop that confidence.

As far as ballistics goes, yes it takes more than 3 seconds to travel that far regardless of what any book says. If Hathcock estimated it at 3 seconds, he was wrong, and was even more lucky than he realized.

As far as the gun goes, no this is not the same Barret that we can go buy off a shelf. It does not have some crappy SAMMI spec chamber. It has been custom chambered to fire the incendairy round that the military uses. It has likely also been "fixed" by one of the army's better armorers. Military sniper rifles go through a competent armorer before they are issued. Can you and I get them? Yes, but I don't think we can buy them brand new. Can you or I have one made that is just as good if not better than a military sniper rifle? Sure can. Just takes money /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif


Just my 2 bits,
Mark
 
Well looks like that one will shoot.lol So why cant that guys?
Is it not enough to shoot guy at 1.3mi.? And this guy is away from his family risking his life every day waking up at 4:00am (or are they on pm time over there?) or b4, every morning sleeping who know were eating who knows what, so he can defend is country.
And you are hear with your family every day in a nice bed, safe house. Coffee,TV,Hot meals,Getting up when ever you want, you can call in sick, and time to what you want. Not him.

I bet he know what the [beeep] he is doing, or he wouldn't be doing it.

Hey Cat I got a Idea, I'll go to a spelling toter and you go be a snipper.


GJ
 
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif he is on my side. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowingsmilie.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowingsmilie.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
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"... As far as the gun goes, no this is not the same Barret that we can go buy off a shelf. It does not have some crappy SAMMI spec chamber. It has been custom chambered to fire the incendairy round that the military uses. It has likely also been "fixed" by one of the army's better armorers. Military sniper rifles go through a competent armorer before they are issued. Can you and I get them? Yes, but I don't think we can buy them brand new. Can you or I have one made that is just as good if not better than a military sniper rifle? Sure can. Just takes money /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif


Just my 2 bits,
Mark



Take your two bits back - you cheated us.

Where's my waders - It just gets deeper and deeper...

SAAMI does NOT have chamber drawings for the 50BMG in their reference books, they set no specs, and they have no specs, and they have never had anything to do with the 50BMG cartridge.

Barrett's barrels are not off the shelf and they are not available through any barrel maker - they come only from Barrett. They are a proprietary design.

Incendiary ammo is not issued to snipers for long range shooting - it is some of the most inaccurate ammo they have because the core does not fill out the jacket. It is made to catch things (like gas tanks) on fire.

Where in God's name do you guys get all this this crap - do you sit there and make it up??

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If we made it up it would have bin over a long time ago.

GJ



It's been over a long time ago - you guys just don't know enough to realize it.

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Man, who even needs a television with threads like this around.......

I think I'll make some popcorn........


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Go there. Look at 1:30 shows the ammo used.

Starnerd .50 BMG, M8 incdary (spl?),and MARK211
Very bad spelling on this one.


GJ
 
Cat, forgive them for they know not what they do. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

You guys have bitten off more than you can chew this time. Cat's most infamous statement, "I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken". /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Lucky or not, good shot. I'll take luck over skill any day. Mix them together....it doesn't get any better. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
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don't tell me that those rifles they shoot will not shoot better than 2"'s.



And you base this off of what? The M16A2 I was issued in the corps would hold 2.5 MOA at BEST. Just about everything I can get in the civilian world that I used in the Corps - it just doesn't even compare.

I was once, and will always be a Marine. And to all Marines - Gunny Hathcock is a GOD. End of story. No other sniper - in the past, present or future will compare. However - his shot was pure luck. Plain and simple. I am not diminishing his skill or his reputation.

As for the rotation of the earth - negligble. The wind has FAR GREATER effect on the round. Everyone and thing on the face of the earth is rotating at the same velocity! The only way it makes any difference is if you are shooting perpendicular to the earths rotation, and it is negligble. The curvature of the earth has a greater effect, and that too is negligble!

As for the US armed forces. No one, including Cat will disagree that they are the best at what they do. We train harder than any other armed forces, but alot of what we do can come down to sheer luck. When you are shooting that far, you can not guess whether a gust of wind will pick up and move that bullet while in flight. You can read signs and interpret constant winds, but you don't know when or if it will stop or pick up, or change direction just as you pull the trigger. When you are shooting that far, there is alot of luck involved. Is their tremendous skill - you bet! But there is alot of luck as well - and that is what I believe Cat is trying to say. I don't believe he is diminishing our armed forces, or that young man's accomplishments. I just believe that he is trying to point out that - hey, there was alot of luck involved.

Now, lets debate more important things, like what type of bourbon to drink on new years eve. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
Thats kinda what I was thinking. But never back down from a good Show Off Showdown. Unless it's a kid named Travis who thinks he is gangster(/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif) and wears his pants around his knees. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif He got wrought up 3 times for that. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif

GJ

(can you guys believe that gangster in in the spell check! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif)
 
Some skill.......... and an awful lotta luck!

Dont let your hearts be troubled gents, Cat took a break to hit the scratching post, he will be back shortly.................
 
An "experienced" shooter making hits at extreme range is somewhat like a professional golfer making holes-in-one (Tiger Woods?). The golfer doesn't make the hole-in-one every time, even on the "easy" par-3 holes. But they do make them.

With greater expertise comes better luck, too.

That 1.3 mile shot was extreme and everyone can admit to that.

Happy New Year to all of you.

Karl in Phoenix
 
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Thats kinda what I was thinking. But never back down from a good Show Off Showdown. Unless it's a kid named Travis who thinks he is gangster(/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif) and wears his pants around his knees. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif He got wrought up 3 times for that. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif

GJ

(can you guys believe that gangster in in the spell check! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif)



Too bad wrought isnt..............or is that wrote? you could have also used written I guess........... maybe? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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