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Ok mister Cat, I have one more for ya.

A plane is traveling at 3000 fps and a projectile is fired from the rear of the plane traveling 2800 FPS, What happens to the projectile as soon as it clears the barrel and is no longer being propelled from the gasses created by the powder. Does it fall straight down, or begin to chase the plane as it falls?



The bullet does what it would do if the plane was on the ground - it goes to the front of the plane and breaks something.


Think of it this way... your buddy is driving, and you are traveling down the road at 500 fps and you see a deer up ahead, so you grab your 308 and shoot it with a bullet that is 2500fps.

How hard does the bullet hit it - it hits it at 3,000 fps.

But... if you are standing on the ground, and the deer sees you and starts to run away at 2,000 fps (fast deer), and you shoot it with the same load - you hit the deer at 500 fps.

BUT... if you are driving down the road at 2,000 fps, and the deer is running at 2,000 fps, and you shoot it with a bullet that is traveling at 2,500 - you hit it with a bullet a 2,500 fps.

If all the "players" in the package are traveling at the same speed, the speed effect is "0".

As "Big Al" would say... "It's all relative"

Now, I have one for you.

You are building a 6.5x284, but you decide to chamber it with a 308 reamer - which ammo will be more accurate - the 6.5x284, or 308

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"... Cat I respect you because your older and have more experience than I do.

Feel ashamed for arguing with an elder.

GJ



That's the wrong reason.

I tell this to my 16 year old Rug Rat about every two days.

Respect does NOT come with age, nor do you "deserve" it - it is earned every minute by your actions, your deeds, and your thoughts.

If I am older and an idiot, then I deserve to be put in my place.

If I am young and I know what I am talking about, I have EARNED the respect that is due, and I will not yield to an old idiot because of his age.

Respect is not an entitlement with years, it is earned every day of your life.

And you can loose it in a minute with your deeds or your mouth.

I grew up in a pretty rough neighborhood - I learned fast not to argue about stuff I didn't know about, cuz the price paid was very high.

There are a lot of threads here that I have an opinion about, but I don't say anything, because I don't know for sure, and I'm not going to advise some guy to spend his money on my opinion, or pass on dumb stuff that will later bring him embarrassment.

That's my rules...

Meow!

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There are a lot of threads here that I have an opinion about, but I don't say anything, because I don't know for sure, and I'm not going to advise some guy to spend his money on my opinion, or pass on dumb stuff that will later bring him embarrassment.

That's my rules...

Meow!

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Just for the record, I stand by all the posts I made on this thread.

If any parts of them do not coincide with the prevailing winds here then so be it.

I have listed my sources, again for the record.

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"... Just for the record, I stand by all the posts I made on this thread.

If any parts of them do not coincide with the prevailing winds here then so be it.

I have listed my sources, again for the record."

4949



"... Just for the record ...I have listed my sources, again for the record."

Well.... goody for you!

You are not in court, so the "record" is meaningless - and no one is impressed by your "record"!

Your sources suck, and you don't understand enough about the subject to know the difference.

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Cat, i want to apologize to you and everyone else on this post. i was an [beeep] the other day. my daughters grandpap was in the hospital in icu for a liver transplant so i was kind of edgy but it is not an excuse for being out of place. anyhow, where i'm at in Pa i shoot alot of paper and groundhogs well beyond 1000yds and i have to make a coriolis correction of roughly 1 inch for every second of bullet flight. it is minor and like you said for a rifle under a grand most people wont notice. shooting at a target 5 inches wide it makes a difference though. and i'll stand by my statement that it makes a difference. you're an intelligent man and i respect you for that and what you did for our country
 
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"... Just for the record, I stand by all the posts I made on this thread.

If any parts of them do not coincide with the prevailing winds here then so be it.

I have listed my sources, again for the record."

4949



"... Just for the record ...I have listed my sources, again for the record."

Well.... goody for you!

You are not in court, so the "record" is meaningless - and no one is impressed by your "record"!

Your sources suck, and you don't understand enough about the subject to know the difference.
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Your description of my sources is nothing but your opinion. I see you haven't listed your own sources pertaining to the incident in question.

Yeah, I know I am not in court. But I stated my record anyway.

Once again for the record, I stand by my posts.
 
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Cat, i want to apologize to you and everyone else on this post. i was an [beeep] the other day. my daughters grandpap was in the hospital in icu for a liver transplant so i was kind of edgy but it is not an excuse for being out of place. anyhow, where i'm at in Pa i shoot alot of paper and groundhogs well beyond 1000yds and i have to make a coriolis correction of roughly 1 inch for every second of bullet flight. it is minor and like you said for a rifle under a grand most people wont notice. shooting at a target 5 inches wide it makes a difference though. and i'll stand by my statement that it makes a difference. you're an intelligent man and i respect you for that and what you did for our country



Look... I'm not trying to be hard on you... but when people "see" what they think is a problem, they jump on some word that they read or heard on the internet or in a book or magazine, and say, "That's it - that's what I gots!"...

.... Cuz it kinda sorta fits (a little)

So you gots a 1" error at increments of 1k, and it gets bigger per "k". So you jump on Coriolis like a cat on a rat, and say, "I gots Coriolis (rhymes with halitosis /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif ).

But there are a lot of error inducing things in a long range riffle, and I have seen few that were set up right.

There are other effects that enter the situation, and what a lot of guys "think" is Coriolis, is actually spindle error - spindle error is constant - always the same - Coriolis correction changes all the time - you shoot east or west, it is not there (actually, it is up/down instead of always to the right) - you shoot north or south it is there, but less than 1/4".

If you have a constant 1" correction, you have other problems - probably spindle error.

And for the record, I stand behind my statement on that! and that's IS the record, of the record /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

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"... Just for the record, I stand by all the posts I made on this thread.

If any parts of them do not coincide with the prevailing winds here then so be it.

I have listed my sources, again for the record."

4949



"... Just for the record ...I have listed my sources, again for the record."

Well.... goody for you!

You are not in court, so the "record" is meaningless - and no one is impressed by your "record"!

Your sources suck, and you don't understand enough about the subject to know the difference.
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Your description of my sources is nothing but your opinion. I see you haven't listed your own sources pertaining to the incident in question.

Yeah, I know I am not in court. But I stated my record anyway.

Once again for the record, I stand by my posts.



I don't need to "list" my sources - I can explain in plain language what I am talking about - you can't because you don't understand it - you grab bits off the web and think that makes you right - well sonny, back some years back, "Precision Shooting Magazine" ran an article and in it is said that all bullets will turn down at 45 degrees and hit the ground when they go "trans-sonic" and pass through the speed of sound.

That would mean that most 308 rounds could not get to 1,000 yds, because most bullets in the 308 go subsonic at ~900yds.

By your definition, THAT would be a source - but anyone that has shot 7.62 trace from a SAW knows full well that the bullets just keep going and going and going and going and going...and fly way over to the horizon. The do NOt turn down and hit the ground at 900 yds.

But some nitwit that was trying to prove that the 308 couldn't go past 1,000 yds would drag up that P.O.S. article and quote it to sound like an expert - which is what you are doing - as I said before, you don't know enough about the subject, to be able to know if the source you are draggin up even fits the definition, or if it is a valid source.

You don't know enough about the subject, to know how little you know about the subject.

I don't need articles as "sources" - I "lernt" my stuff in college where I got an edjumacation, and spent 4 years as a research director, studying the ballistics of small particles in air and in Helium.

I got my info from the source - you got nada.

And, for the record, I stand by my statement, in case anyone needs a record of the real record, for the record!

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Hey CatShooter here one for you. Does a bullet go farther when shot east than when it's shot west? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I really like this kind of thread's, you can get a better unstanding when someone who knows, take the time to busts the myths. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
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Hey CatShooter here one for you. Does a bullet go farther when shot east than when it's shot west? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I really like this kind of thread's, you can get a better unstanding when someone who knows, take the time to busts the myths. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif



For the record

West. But it isn't enough to make a difference until you are dealing with BIG guns.
 
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"... Just for the record, I stand by all the posts I made on this thread.

If any parts of them do not coincide with the prevailing winds here then so be it.

I have listed my sources, again for the record."

4949



"... Just for the record ...I have listed my sources, again for the record."

Well.... goody for you!

You are not in court, so the "record" is meaningless - and no one is impressed by your "record"!

Your sources suck, and you don't understand enough about the subject to know the difference.
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Your description of my sources is nothing but your opinion. I see you haven't listed your own sources pertaining to the incident in question.

Yeah, I know I am not in court. But I stated my record anyway.

Once again for the record, I stand by my posts.



I don't need to "list" my sources - I can explain in plain language what I am talking about - you can't because you don't understand it - you grab bits off the web and think that makes you right - well sonny, back some years back, "Precision Shooting Magazine" ran an article and in it is said that all bullets will turn down at 45 degrees and hit the ground when they go "trans-sonic" and pass through the speed of sound.

That would mean that most 308 rounds could not get to 1,000 yds, because most bullets in the 308 go subsonic at ~900yds.

By your definition, THAT would be a source - but anyone that has shot 7.62 trace from a SAW knows full well that the bullets just keep going and going and going and going and going...and fly way over to the horizon. The do NOt turn down and hit the ground at 900 yds.

But some nitwit that was trying to prove that the 308 couldn't go past 1,000 yds would drag up that P.O.S. article and quote it to sound like an expert - which is what you are doing - as I said before, you don't know enough about the subject, to be able to know if the source you are draggin up even fits the definition, or if it is a valid source.

You don't know enough about the subject, to know how little you know about the subject.

I don't need articles as "sources" - I "lernt" my stuff in college where I got an edjumacation, and spent 4 years as a research director, studying the ballistics of small particles in air and in Helium.

I got my info from the source - you got nada.

And, for the record, I stand by my statement, in case anyone needs a record of the real record, for the record!

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I listed my sources, and none of them were articles from periodicals. But thank you for the explanation.

I stand by my posts (for the record).
 
Since everyone's on the record, I must say I learned more from Catshooter in this one post than I've learned about anything in quiet sometime. For the record /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Thanks Catshooter!
 
The only reason i used that number as an example is because that is the only place where i live that i can really stretch my barrel. everywhere else is 1200 and under.
Y=2wVsin(latitude) where w is the earth's rate of rotation(.0000729 degrees per second) and V is the bullet's average speed in feet per second. rh for northern hemisphere and lh for southern. i dont need or wish to debate this anymore. you jumped my [beeep] for stating that it did effect bullets at long range but then later stated yourself that it had an effect. yes, it is very minor. we both agreed on that. i'm not quick to blame anything on a shot i didn't connect with. it works for me so i use it. thats all i need to worry about. happy new year
 
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The only reason i used that number as an example is because that is the only place where i live that i can really stretch my barrel. everywhere else is 1200 and under.
Y=2wVsin(latitude) where w is the earth's rate of rotation(.0000729 degrees per second) and V is the bullet's average speed in feet per second. rh for northern hemisphere and lh for southern. i dont need or wish to debate this anymore. you jumped my [beeep] for stating that it did effect bullets at long range but then later stated yourself that it had an effect. yes, it is very minor. we both agreed on that. i'm not quick to blame anything on a shot i didn't connect with. it works for me so i use it. thats all i need to worry about. happy new year



I'm sorry but 0.17" at 1,000 yds and only when shot north or south, is NOT an admission that it has an effect - an effect is something you can see.

Please don't put words in my mouth.

A top of the line match rifle will group ~5" at 1,000 yds from a sand bag rest - a world class 1,000 yd benchrest rifle will group 2" to 3", with an occasional dip into the 1"" range at 1,000 yds.

If you can tell the difference of 0.17" at 1,000 yds, then you are probably the best shot that ever lived.

If you like to do it, then do it.

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Is that a rattlesnake in the face of that shooter in Catshooter fist picture file? HOLY [beeep]!

I hope all our sniper have LUCK like this shooter has.
 
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