Confirmed 1.3 mile Taliban kill w/ Barrett 50 Cal

All I can say is that the Taliban better watch out, or I will buy some of our .17hmr shooters a plane ticket over there. I mean, with that kind of firepower, and their knack for always having key shot placement, the war would be over with a in day or two.... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Yeah, I went there!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
I see that not only the sarcasm was lost to you here, but also the point.....

the quote...."Yeah, I went there" was a jab at all on here who think that the .17hmr is a coyote gun....now, I excuse myself....I have some rabid coons to go shoot, and I think I will give them a chance and only take my slingshot! As long as I keep it close and have good shot placement, I should be fine. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
I understand that the Barret rifles are not the tack drivers that they are made out to be, but the law of averages says that they must make some really good ones to counter out some of the lesser rifles. Sounds like this shooter has a good one.

Obviously if you take long shots often enough, you will eventually get lucky. However, with two kills over 2,000 yards, and several paper bullseyes at 2K, I'll give him the credit he deserves. Especially since I'm sitting here in my nice warm chair, in my nice warm house, and he's overthere living in a tent on my behalf making half my salery.
 
Hey Cat I'm not sure but I think he made the shot with a 20" barrel. Wow! maybe the rotation of the earth did have something to do with it.
 
cat, the earth does have alot to do with bullet impact over 1000 yards. the coriolis effect. not just because it sounds good for movies. so does the spin drift from the rifling and the bullet spinning. i can go into more detail if anyone would like
 
Dang, you guys are killin me!!! Point is "target was hit!" I will take luck over skill any day if it gets the job done! I have been lucky enough to have known some of the greatest shots on two legs in my lifetime and luck plays a lot according to them. If not, many more world records would be broken. Great job by those guys no matter what. Fact is they did it no matter how it happened.
 
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Dang, you guys are killin me!!! Point is "target was hit!" I will take luck over skill any day if it gets the job done! I have been lucky enough to have known some of the greatest shots on two legs in my lifetime and luck plays a lot according to them. If not, many more world records would be broken. Great job by those guys no matter what. Fact is they did it no matter how it happened.



Very well put. I could care less if it was a straight up WAG, steel on target is still the end result.
 
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cat, the earth does have alot to do with bullet impact over 1000 yards. the coriolis effect. not just because it sounds good for movies. so does the spin drift from the rifling and the bullet spinning. i can go into more detail if anyone would like



Don't waste your time with theories that have unmeasurable results - I have heard them all.

If you actually shoot big guns at long range, and have hard numbers and math to back it up... I'll listen, otherwise, don't waste your time.



OK JB...

Assume "0" wind -

1 - You are 750 yds south of the equator sitting on the porch and you see some BG (bad guy) 750 yds on the other side of the equator, going to blow up something... range is 1500 yds - you have a 50BMG with a 14" right hand twist shooting a 750 A-Max at 2700 fps

He is exactly 90.00000 degrees from your position - what is the correction to take him out?

2 - You are at 45 degrees latitude, aiming true north at a target that is 1200 meters from you. What is your lateral speed in FPS, and what is the lateral speed of the target in fps. What is the correction?

3 - (An eeeeasy one!!!) You are at the North pole and going to shoot a target at 1200 meters with a 50BMG shooting an 750 A-Max at 2700 fps from a barrel with a 14" right hand twist with 5 thou lands with a 40/60 land to grove ratio... what correction do you apply?

You've been here 5 days kid - don't blow smoke and make a fool out of yourself trying to impress the gang...

Ask anyone here - I'm not a nice person! I work at it.

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Carlos Hathcock was able to make a 2500 yard kill in Vietnam with a Unertl scope mounted on an M2 machine gun. This is not the most accurate setup in the history of shooting, but it worked due to the 709 grain weight of the 50 cal round and it's ability to buck wind at longer ranges. The VC scout he killed happened to stop right at the point where Sgt. Hathcock zeroed his weapon, which was the scout's last mistake.

Sgt. Hathcock personally selected the M2 gun in question. This is what these men do....they select the best of the bunch and make it work. They also test batches of .50 cal ammo and pick which lot groups the best out of their particular weapon. This may be crude by some of our standards, but it works in the field under field expedient circumstances.

To suggest that our sniper's shot and kill in Afghanistan was luck truly does this man a disservice. Yeah, luck always plays a small part every time a hunter kills an animal. But for a man to make these types of shots under the conditions he must operate in is truly a magnificent feat. Let us not forget that once a sniper fires, his position becomes compromised. If there are enemy in his area with mortars, recoiless rifles, or just plain enemy snipers, he never knows if his next shot will be his last. Oh, and enemies are never kind to captured snipers.

Men like snakeaterM24 truly deserve our support and admiration.

Nothing less.
 
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Carlos Hathcock was able to make a 2500 yard kill in Vietnam with a Unertl scope mounted on an M2 machine gun. This is not the most accurate setup in the history of shooting, but it worked due to the 709 grain weight of the 50 cal round and it's ability to buck wind at longer ranges. The VC scout he killed happened to stop right at the point where Sgt. Hathcock zeroed his weapon, which was the scout's last mistake.



Actually, you have it wrong - Hathcock fired on that site by a stream where villagers came twice a day for water - he was dialed in at that range and fired at everyone that came for water - called "suppressing fire"... after several weeks of this, some poor SOB walked into a bullet - read Carlos' books - he admits that it is the luckiest shot he ever made. He did not aim at one person - he fired rounds to keep people away from water.

The M2 is good for 5" to 6" groups at 100yds - selected or not (there are no match grade M2 BMGs).

With a time of flight of 8 to 10 seconds, there is no way anyone can determine a target at that range... with military ball ammo????

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Sgt. Hathcock personally selected the M2 gun in question. This is what these men do....they select the best of the bunch and make it work. They also test batches of .50 cal ammo and pick which lot groups the best out of their particular weapon. This may be crude by some of our standards, but it works in the field under field expedient circumstances.



Where do you get this stuff...?
 
Luck or no luck the kid is over there risking his life so you guys can sit and argue on predator masters forms, I never thought by posting this it was gonna cause this much of a stirr up. He can make them lucky shots all say long as long as he's takin out the bad guy. And he will get my $35.00 for one of those bad [beeep] shirts.

God Bless our troops...Especially our Snipers!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I'm sorry, catshooter, but I do not have it wrong.

I have read both books on Carlos Hathcock, watched a taped interview with him and Major John Plaster, and have read both editions of The Ultimate Sniper.

The enemy scout had bent to fill his canteen, and when he stood up, he was hit by the 50 cal round. Sgt. Hathcock stated that he estimated the flight time of the 50 cal round to be 3 seconds. He fired at where he thought the VC would be when the round hit. My source of information is the book, 'Utimate Sniper', by John Plaster, page 266. Yes, Sgt, Hathcock stated before his death that the shot was in part luck. But let's not forget that he was a humble man.

I already mentioned the M2 was zeroed at the point where the VC stopped. I have offered a bit of insight on how long range kills are made with 50 caliber rifles. If you don't like what I have to say that is fine. We are all entitled to our own opinions and beliefs. But I find it somewhat disturbing the the actions of any of our military snipers in harm's way are being denigrated by people here or on any other forum.

SnakeaterM24's shot was luck? I say hardly. It was hard work, discipline, skill, and plain old fortitude.
 
You're right. i can't answer your questions off the top of my head. i dont shoot big bores to compensate for other things that i'm lacking. who really gives a [beeep] if i've only been on this site for 5 days. oh you're right it must mean that i've only been doing this for 5 days. i've shot long range for a long time and i make my living building rifles to do it. its about numbers and the facts. not blowing smoke and not the opinions of guys that have nothing better to do than play at a computer all day. i dont try to impress anyone, my rifles and log books speak for themselves. if you want to have a pissing match do it with someone thats never shot over 500 yards. they'll listen. i'll do you a favor, if everyone on this site is like you i dont belong here
 
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I'm sorry, catshooter, but I do not have it wrong.

I have read both books on Carlos Hathcock, watched a taped interview with him and Major John Plaster, and have read both editions of The Ultimate Sniper.

The enemy scout had bent to fill his canteen, and when he stood up, he was hit by the 50 cal round. Sgt. Hathcock stated that he estimated the flight time of the 50 cal round to be 3 seconds. He fired at where he thought the VC would be when the round hit. My source of information is the book, 'Utimate Sniper', by John Plaster, page 266. Yes, Sgt, Hathcock stated before his death that the shot was in part luck. But let's not forget that he was a humble man.

I already mentioned the M2 was zeroed at the point where the VC stopped. I have offered a bit of insight on how long range kills are made with 50 caliber rifles. If you don't like what I have to say that is fine. We are all entitled to our own opinions and beliefs. But I find it somewhat disturbing the the actions of any of our military snipers in harm's way are being denigrated by people here or on any other forum.

SnakeaterM24's shot was luck? I say hardly. It was hard work, discipline, skill, and plain old fortitude.



The time of flight to 2500 yds is over 7 seconds - it is impossible to guess the actions of someone two miles away that much time in advance.

It was a lucky shot and he later admitted it.

How is it that you know more about the shot than the guy that made it.

And he didn't write the orgianl books - look at the lead page.

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All righty then......let's all take deep breath....count to ten. And say a prayer for every service member, past and present. The aurguing ..It really doesn't matter.

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The time of flight to 2500 yds is over 7 seconds - it is impossible to guess the actions of someone two miles away that much time in advance.

It was a lucky shot and he admitted it.

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Go read the book, Catshooter. 3 seconds, on page 266. And there is a picture of the author standing next to Carlos Hathcock on page 266 also. Just in case you don't believe him either.

You seem awfully quick to put down the actions and feats of our military people.

It's okay to be wrong once in a while, Catshooter. But it's not okay to refer to our country's heroes as merely "lucky" because you don't want ot admit it.
 
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The time of flight to 2500 yds is over 7 seconds - it is impossible to guess the actions of someone two miles away that much time in advance.

It was a lucky shot and he admitted it.

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Go read the book, Catshooter. 3 seconds, on page 266. And there is a picture of the author standing next to Carlos Hathcock on page 266 also. Just in case you don't believe him either.

You seem awfully quick to put down the actions and feats of our military people.

It's okay to be wrong once in a while, Catshooter. But it's not okay to refer to our country's heroes as merely "lucky" because you don't want ot admit it.



And go run the numbers on any ballistic computer, or check the military ballistic charts - it's 7+ seconds - and there is no way to make it less.
7+ seconds of bullet flight over 2 miles, from a gun that shoots ~6" groups at 100 yds, with no wind data - is pure unadulterated luck.

I NEVER put down people in the military. Most of my friends are, or were, in the military, and I have my own time in a country that didn't want me there.

What I do put down is plain BS - throwing around myths and BS just clouds the waters of shooting.

And the new kids believe it and pass it on...

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calos had 93 confirmed kills, none, absolutely none over 2200 hundred meters, the official record for a sniper kill is held by a canadian sniper shooting a McMillian Tac 50 he took out a taliban sniper at 2,467 meters, and for the first time in history the US president gave out the bronze star of valor to a non-american.
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The earth is rotateing at somthing like a thousand MPH at the equator, the time of flight of even a 50 BMG is still in miliseconds, even shooting a mile or better. The earths rotation has litle to no effect on bullet impact, all the other variables still do though gravity, friction with atmospher, humidity, and cross winds all play a part, Longer ranges just increase that exponetially.
Still a great shot though, and an awesome marksman!
 


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