COUGAR IN WESTERN NEW YORK?????

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So the New York State Department of Enviromental Conservation (DEC) say "cougars do not exist in Western New York area". While there has been a number of sightings recently in the Erie County area and the DEC still denies it.

A couple of days ago three young men were bow hunting for deer and they decided to move a ladder stand, when they pulled their pickup into the grass field they noticed something laying in the field possible a coyote or red fox, with the binoculars they were amazied to see it was a cougar, fortunately one of the men had a video camera and as the first cat moved into the trees they noticed a 2nd smaller cat about 80-100 yards away sitting on its haunches. they filmed this one and as it got up and left the area you can plainly see it is a cougar about 3-4feet long. Unfortunately he did not film it too long and it also went into the tree's. Watching the clip over and over again and having many people view it everyone seems to believe it is indeed a cougar. So not only is there one in the area there are two..

Two weeks ago there was a cougar sighting approx 7miles from here where one was seen by a hunter while turkey hunting.

Sooo DEC please admit they are in the area so people and small children can be aware and take precautions!!!!!
 
Here in Washington State we our getting over-run with cougs.

This summer one of our horses was scratched and some cattle were killed by cats.

The State Game told us that "maybe the horse scratched itself in the bushes".

They said to keep them "in the loop" too! Yeah, right!

There must be a universal class these gov. types go to ........... DENIAL!

The local Tribe sees things differently. They see this as you do ..... a public safety issue. They are acting very proactively and want these cats out of the valleys and away from the residents.

I found it interesting that the "bush marks" on the ribs of the horse got farther apart as they traversed the body of the horse. These bushes also scared the Bejesus out of it and a formerly calm horse was now rearing and striking while on a halter and lead rope. Real powerful bushes!

The cattle I refer to were a 275# calf (before the horse) and a 1200# bull and a 1000# cow (same time and place as the horse).

The bull had it's tounge pulled from it's head. It was done so that all the muscle and tissue behind the tounge went with it. What I mean is that the air pipe was hanging in outerspace for the first 5 inches and a top piece of the pipe was broken off so as to create a reverse check valve. The bull suffocated.

The cow had a deep fang penetration right behind the jaw bone that angled up towards the brain.

SOME BUSHES!!!!

Government types like these ............ get left at the station. They can walk to the party.

About three weeks ago, a neighbor lost two weaning size calves in a week. He called me after the second one. I went up and helped and watched the skinning. The calf that I saw was killed by a coug and weighed 500 pounds. There were also extremely small claw marks on the calf as well. Speculation says that this was the work of a mom and kittens.

The next generation of beef eaters has landed.

My young nephews are virtual prisoners in their own home. It galls my A#$%^$%^$!!!!

Three 44s
 
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So the New York State Department of Enviromental Conservation (DEC) say "cougars do not exist in Western New York area". While there has been a number of sightings recently in the Erie County area and the DEC still denies it.

A couple of days ago three young men were bow hunting for deer and they decided to move a ladder stand, when they pulled their pickup into the grass field they noticed something laying in the field possible a coyote or red fox, with the binoculars they were amazied to see it was a cougar, fortunately one of the men had a video camera and as the first cat moved into the trees they noticed a 2nd smaller cat about 80-100 yards away sitting on its haunches. they filmed this one and as it got up and left the area you can plainly see it is a cougar about 3-4feet long. Unfortunately he did not film it too long and it also went into the tree's. Watching the clip over and over again and having many people view it everyone seems to believe it is indeed a cougar. So not only is there one in the area there are two..

Two weeks ago there was a cougar sighting approx 7miles from here where one was seen by a hunter while turkey hunting.

Sooo DEC please admit they are in the area so people and small children can be aware and take precautions!!!!!

Thank you so much for writing this post /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif We have been collecting the sightings in New York for over THREE YEARS NOW. I have a web site dedicated to the sightings of this cougar. I also broadcast the the saftey and precautions one should take "If Encountered by a Cougar".Second I stress carrying cameras and getting pictures of the cougars and tracks when you can.I share a map on the site of where cougars have been seen, it is new and not completed as yet (working on it) /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif I would love it if these people would contact me so I can see this video.
Please visit my site, contact me. http://www.Trackincats.com
I should mention while most of my work is in New York, we also do a lot in Pennsylvania. All the Eastern States are important to us /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
Not that I'm advocating anything illegal, but it would be in the best interest of everyone in the cougar area if the pair were shot next time they were seen if possible. They're kind of like roaches. If you see a pair of them, there are most likely a whole bunch more that you aren't seeing.

Don't film it for posterity or to prove a point, don't brag about it to your buddies, just take a good shot, drive away and keep it to yourself.
 
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Hi...pictures, video, and proof is nice to have for your self. Think about the people who loose a pet, livestock or worse the next week and you can slam that picture of proof down! Or the next hunter that did have a problem getting out unharmed. Lots of reasons to have those shots as well.
 
Cougardaville,

Though I don't live in any of the areas that you assist, I want to thank you for all that you do ......... you are a good American.

One question. What is the legal status of the coug in your area? If you force the NY State officials to admit the existence of cougs, are they protected ............ even "quasi-endangered"?

You have one heck of an uphill battle if they are.

On the one hand you have to convince State game that they in fact do exist and then turn around and get a handle on them. As many brainwashed liberals as live in my home state, I can only guess how many reside in yours.

Is it not "cult status" to a die hard lib to be eaten by a big predator?

I am not trying to pull your chain.

But reality is well ...... reality.

I agree that public awareness is good and important and quite doable but the Three S's are for keeps.

Three 44s
 
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Three 44s, dont mean to butt in ur conversation with cougardaville. just want to say a few things, NY has had eastern cougar on the "extirpated" list for near a century i believe, they were just all killed off many years ago. BUT recently they were put on the "endangered" list, sound fishy?? you bet.
why would eastern cougars make a come back after all these years?? simple answer is they couldnt, there isnt any left. so now why are they on the endangered list??? well DEC may be experimenting and putting a few in the wild to study, but i just dont see how they could hide it from the public, or maybe some crazy environmentalists are trying to reastablish a population illegally, or as i've been told, there is a large illegal pet trade for mnt lions and as they get to large they are abandoned in the wild.
The way i look at it is, i get to some remote parts of the state through the winter and never cut a lion track, so where do they go in the winter?? if theyre here, why dont we have some pics of tracks??
If we do have some lions here, and it wouldnt surprise me too much but am sceptical, ill bet the farm they arent the original subspecies that wandered the appalachian mountains many years ago.
 
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Cougardaville,

Though I don't live in any of the areas that you assist, I want to thank you for all that you do ......... you are a good American.

One question. What is the legal status of the coug in your area? If you force the NY State officials to admit the existence of cougs, are they protected ............ even "quasi-endangered"?

You have one heck of an uphill battle if they are.

On the one hand you have to convince State game that they in fact do exist and then turn around and get a handle on them. As many brainwashed liberals as live in my home state, I can only guess how many reside in yours.

Is it not "cult status" to a die hard lib to be eaten by a big predator?

I am not trying to pull your chain.

But reality is well ...... reality.

I agree that public awareness is good and important and quite doable but the Three S's are for keeps.

Three 44s

Thanks for the kind words, Three44's, I truly appreciate that /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif

The legal status in New York is.. the Eastern Cougar is "extirpated" (none, zip, gone) but on the "Federal Endangered species list" there is protection for the EASTERN COUGAR and N.Y.DEC says some Only in Florida may remain. What we are CLEARLY seeing here in New York State is NOT and can NOT be of the original "Eastern Cougar"

So what are we seeing and many of them? I believe they are Released intentionally or not intentionally. In smaller words someone is putting them here! Do I think it is New York DEC, NO WAY! I hear the rumors all the time they are sneaking them in to reduce the deer population. There are HUGE organizations that want them here worse than bad, and to be protected.

Therefore these once "PETS" are NOT PROTECTED!!

BUT.....how will the "Liberal groups" take it if you POP ONE? and it would be in self defence. They would jump up & down, hold a rally, sue somebody because you are 100% correct they think it is ok that they kill your livestock, eat the deer, attack or kill a human because you were in THEIR SPACE /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif Heaven help us!! I deal with the liberals all the time, I'm pretty mean so they don't get to far /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
Nite Fright...your not butting in at all...and let me tell you if you are from here, so are the tracks!

This cougar we have here is not secretive, elusive or hiding. They stroll through back yards, cross roads, SIT down an look at you!! You can shoo them, clapp your hands, whistle, or shoot at them they just "LOOK at you and WALK away!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif I belive these cats are imprinted on humans, they have NO FEAR! To me this is much more dangerous than the totally wild western cat!!

I have major concern for our children and the folks that are not aware this man eating predator is here.

I use to work my horses with herd dogs, now they are assisted by powerful guard dogs. I don't enjoy working with my horses armed ready for a battle.

When my kiddies are out doors it is not enjoyable as it was, they don't have the dogs to play with now, the dogs have a full time job, and so do I. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
 
Anybody that doesn't enjoy the outdoors because of the presence of mountain lions might benefit from boning up on mountain lion behavior. We have a gazillion of them in CA, and a gazillion people that share the same wildland areas. Throughout recorded history, a mere handful of attacks on humans. Tragic if you're the prey, but only slightly less rare than getting struck by a meteorite.

How many people die in car accidents or get gored by deer every year in NY? Electrocuted by lightning on a sunny day? Stung to death by European honeybees? Mauled by loose collie dogs? Does the greatly more realistic chance of any of these destroy your or your loved one's enjoyment of the outdoors?

No? I thought not. Yet the mere possibility of the existence of a pair of lions has this effect? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif

LionHo
 
Well glad to see someone is looking out Cougardaville, and I agree that we sure dont need them becoming a problem here. If I do ever run across evidence I'll be sure to forward it to you.
 
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Anybody that doesn't enjoy the outdoors because of the presence of mountain lions might benefit from boning up on mountain lion behavior. We have a gazillion of them in CA, and a gazillion people that share the same wildland areas. Throughout recorded history, a mere handful of attacks on humans. Tragic if you're the prey, but only slightly less rare than getting struck by a meteorite.

How many people die in car accidents or get gored by deer every year in NY? Electrocuted by lightning on a sunny day? Stung to death by European honeybees? Mauled by loose collie dogs? Does the greatly more realistic chance of any of these destroy your or your loved one's enjoyment of the outdoors?

No? I thought not. Yet the mere possibility of the existence of a pair of lions has this effect? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif

LionHo

Whoa....Lion Ho, as for boning up on lion attacks, look at this and be certain you bone all the way to the bottom of the page and look at that beautiful little girl Hayley Bazille, 4 years old that would have been killed if her parents did not fight this Cougar off of her!
http://cougarinfo.com/attacks3.htm

also..your GAZILLION of them in your state, that are sitting on roofs of homes, walking through the parks, appearing at bus stops....tick, tock, tick, tock!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

and.. pertaining to the rest of your statement, I admit I will have to research the stats on that, especially those "collie dogs", and "meteorites", will I find this information in the "Hugger library"?? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
 
Hey guys,

I live on the border of Otsego and Delaware counties and there has been alot of cougar sightings there as well.I have heard of several sightings in and around Delhi, Walton,Sidney center,Trout creek and alot in the Unadilla. Rumor has it that the Dec let 4 loose in the Unadilla area. This week a Quarter horse got attacked in Unadilla and had to be put down. And a few months ago in Sidney center a neighbor of a friend of mine came home from work to find a cougar with a tracking collar around its neck in his back yard. And yet the DEC wont admit to releaseing them. I heard that they have been brought in to knock down the deer herd that is already in decline mostly by hard winters,over issueing of doe permits and the big increase of Coyote in the Southern tier. The DEC are probably worried that there might be some law suits brought against them if anything were to happen like loss of live stock or the unthinkable. Im sure keeping my kids closer to the house and out of the woods unless im with them with my 1911 in my waistband.

HARDCORE
 
I kinda lean with LionHo. If you see a cougar in the wild, be grateful.

A friend of mine in Edmonds, WA, (yes way into Seattle cityscape about a mile or so above the ferry) had two goats killed by a cougar a few years ago. He phoned the game warden on the first dead goat, which was clawed and chewed and dragged into a thicket on a vacant lot in a ravine by his place where it had been eaten. The warden said that the goats had been fighting or frightened and scratched each other. I think he said dogs had then eaten some of the dead goat. He totally denied any possibility of it being a wild predator. When the second goat disappeared a day or so later my friend followed a drag mark and came on the cougar eating the goat in the forested vacant area. The game warden brought hounds and treed the cat in the edge of a guy's yard across the ravine. The warden was super spooked, not wanting anyone to see what they were doing, get it shot and out of there before anyone saw them. I guess in his place I'd want no spectators either.
 
Okanagon,

I smell a big rat!!!

Your story about the goats tearing up each other etc. sounds just like our dealings with local enforcement!!!!

Bushes scratching the horse inflicting razor sharp scrathes that diverge from each other as they traverse the rib cage!!!

I might have born at night, but it was not LAST NIGHT!!

Hardcore,

Do you suppose the coug ate a collar equiped deer and then put it on itself????

Three 44s
 
Good one Three 44s, Big brother must think that us hicks are all gullable or something.
I got your pm Cougardaville. My wifes uncle is friends with those people that had that horse. Ill ask him if he can get any info for us.
I here of other farmers that are loseing Heffers and sheep. They all think it is from coyote but maybe its not the case anymore.


HARDCORE
 
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Not that I'm advocating anything illegal, but it would be in the best interest of everyone in the cougar area if the pair were shot next time they were seen if possible. They're kind of like roaches. If you see a pair of them, there are most likely a whole bunch more that you aren't seeing.

Don't film it for posterity or to prove a point, don't brag about it to your buddies, just take a good shot, drive away and keep it to yourself.



Come on.... Are you kidding me? People like you are a huge problem. Any animal, especially a potential endangered speices should not be filed on the Shoot, shovel and shut up mentality. All this does is add fuel to anti-hunters. You might be a poacher and proud of it, but your type has no business running a muck in the world. Talk about a huge contradiction in your post... Lions are awesome animals that demand respect. If you see them in the wild you are blessed. While there are many lions out there, they are still cool. Now if the lion attacks, livestock, pets etc. it needs to be delt with. But when it comes to a speices repopulating habitat it once roamed why stop it... Once established we can add another hunting area to our checklist...
 
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