Deep conceal gun?

I hear a lot of people say the .380acp is too small and underpowered for self defense.

In fact the modern .380 closely mimics the power of the .36 cal Colt Navy revolvers that were carried by the likes of Wild Bill Hickok and Doc Holiday.

Its not the arrow, its the Indian.
 
Originally Posted By: justin10mmI hear a lot of people say the .380acp is too small and underpowered for self defense.



If I was jumped I would rather have a .22 than nothing. I bet if you put a couple .380s in an attacker you will break his will to fight rather quickly.
 
Originally Posted By: coyotenutOriginally Posted By: justin10mmI hear a lot of people say the .380acp is too small and underpowered for self defense.



If I was jumped I would rather have a .22 than nothing. I bet if you put a couple .380s in an attacker you will break his will to fight rather quickly.

Thank you!!!

I hear this garbage every day and I'm sick of it. "A buddy of mine who is a cop had to put an entire magazine of 9mm into a perp and finally put him down with the 12ga", I hear it every day. I don't doubt that it happened or something like it at some point, but it hasn't happened to every one that has ever owned a 9mm!

I'm also sick of people saying that a .22LR will just pi$$ someone off! I assure you, if I get hit with a .22LR, I'm crying or dying!

Chupa
 
Quote:I'm also sick of people saying that a .22LR will just pi$$ someone off! I assure you, if I get hit with a .22LR, I'm crying or dying!....Why do you think that the .22lr is the favorite tool of most professional killers/assassins/spies ??

Not just for the reduced noise levels, I can assure you...I know for a fact, that when the earlier commercial 'bullet proof' vests came out (1964), a .22lr round was the one that came the closest to full penetration, other than an Ice Pick...I still have mine hanging in the garage..

The biggest problem with the .22lr round is the lack of ability to "totally incapacitate" on an immediate basis during a serious social confrontation...Shot placement has to be a priority, where the larger calibers can provide more systemic shock to the central nervous system, as well as more internal damage with a non lethal hit close to primary organs...
 
Two things that I found with a magnum hand gun, both 357 and 22 mag is that if you are in low light and especially inside is that after the first shot I can not hear anything and am blinded with the 357. I have experience with 4” and 6”. The fireball and side gases from the 4” are quite a show. Don’t have experience with a 22 mag in low light but the crack is maybe even worse than the 357. Make the first shout count with either.
Mostly where I live and travel I don’t feel the need to carry on my person but when I do it is like getting gas, etc. so I prefer to have a gun that I don’t have to wear inside of the vehicle. That more often than not is a 22 cal Sig with 11 shots. I don’t consider it a target gun but has proven to be minute of brain = my target. As Bill stated a 22 has great penetration.
I will no longer carry a magnum handgun or keep one by the bed.
 
The whole idea of defensive weapons is to stop what's happening. A .22 or .380 will kill a man. The question is, will he be able to beat you to death before he dies? I firmly believe in knockdown power over killing power. If "Stupid" is lying on the ground dying, he can't continue attacking me. This gives me the time and opportunity to either empty my weapon into him and/or his companions, or retreat to safer environs. .38spl is my personal minimum, followed by .45ACP and .40S&W. While not Magnum calibers, all are very controllable, yet posses the knockdown power needed to STOP STUPID. There are many reasons that I may be wrong about all this, but I think that there are more reasons that I'm probably right. Be that as it may, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
 
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Chupathingy,a deputy and a punk shot it out with the nine mm here in the county a few years ago.They both had hi cap mags and fmj ammo.I don't remember how many times they shot each other but it was several.They shot till both ran out of ammo,then they sat on their respective sides of the car and waited on back up.They both healed up from their wounds.That must have been something to see.I think they each had two mags,but in this case the fmj just zipped through without much damage.I would say they were both lucky.
 
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They BOTH waited on back up?
 
Originally Posted By: tnshootistI think they each had two mags,but in this case the fmj just zipped through without much damage.I would say they were both lucky.


They weren't lucky! They were both idiots for thinking that FMJ's would do anything but "Zip" right through. If either of those guns had been loaded with Hydroshocks or FTX's, the gun battle would have been over with the first impact. Match the projectile properly to the task and the 9mm will do anything you ask of it.



Chupa
 
And let me clarify something. I'm not saying that a .22LR makes for a good CCW.

But take the average "wallet jacker" and put a 36gr hollow point even into the fat of his a$$ and priority number one will be getting the flock out of dodge with the quickness.

Criminals aren't superhuman, they're typically lazy opportunistic cowardly predators, that high tail it if the mark is anything other than easy. If they have to work, it's not worth it to them......That's why they are criminals.

I just get tired of hearing the same regurgitated BS every day.


Chupa
 
Originally Posted By: Chupathingy And let me clarify something. I'm not saying that a .22LR makes for a good CCW.

But take the average "wallet jacker" and put a 36gr hollow point even into the fat of his a$$ and priority number one will be getting the flock out of dodge with the quickness.

Criminals aren't superhuman, they're typically lazy opportunistic cowardly predators, that high tail it if the mark is anything other than easy. If they have to work, it's not worth it to them......That's why they are criminals.

I just get tired of hearing the same regurgitated BS every day.


Chupa



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OK, but I choose not to give "STUPID" the ability to choose between running or sticking around to continue his assault. If hopped up Moros in the Philippines couldn't be stopped by .38 Colts, why would a crack head stop at being shot by a .22? Your argument is about as valid as thinking that the sound of jacking an empty shotgun will terrify a home invader into flight or quivering submission.
 
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Chupathingy,Just to be clear,I was not calling you our out anything at all,I was just telling you another story as you enjoy them so much.
 
Originally Posted By: CAFROK, but I choose not to give "STUPID" the ability to choose between running or sticking around to continue his assault. If hopped up Moros in the Philippines couldn't be stopped by .38 Colts, why would a crack head stop at being shot by a .22? Your argument is about as valid as thinking that the sound of jacking an empty shotgun will terrify a home invader into flight or quivering submission.


There is a huge difference between a person fighting for political reasons, freedom, independence or religious beliefs and a person looking to finger your wallet. Who said anything about carrying a .22 into combat?

Your missing my point completely, and you'll continue to until you put down the fork and step away from the "How dare you!?" pie. I personally wouldn't carry a .22 as a concealed weapon, I want to put a biting dog down as much as the next guy. But to say that it would just pi$$ them off is ludicrous at best. And the person who "Jacks an empty shotgun" during a home invasion is called a "Victim", but to say that the sound of a racking shotgun slide in a darkened house is no reason for concern.......REALLY? Criminals will always take the path of least resistance.

You can twist my statements any way you wish to continue your argument, but this argument from this point forward will be one sided as you clearly don't understand what it was I said, and conversations with stumps are boring.


Chupa
 
Originally Posted By: tnshootistChupathingy,Just to be clear,I was not calling you our out anything at all,I was just telling you another story as you enjoy them so much.


I understand man. It's just that I hear a version of that story atleast 3 times a day and it's always "supposed" first hand knowledge. They usually follow it up with "Excuse me sir. I have been intrusted with the security of the food court at the mall, and I was wondering if this Browning Zombie Apocolypse knife will sever a human head?". There is a special assembly line in heII that produces these Semi-Tactical ParaTards, and it runs 24 hours a day!


Chupa
 
I believe that this thread was about defensive concealed carry weapons. Why did anyone think it was necessary to bring inadequate pistol calibers into the conversation to begin with? It only clouds the issue and put guys like Chup on the defensive. I can only hope that if I'm faced by a bad guy who is too high on drugs to know that he's been shot, he will be carrying a .22 in his underwear. I wouldn't want to be shot by any caliber of firearm, but the .22 in his hands might give me a fighting chance to survive the gun fight. Testosterone is now in check. Nite all......
 
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Dude, you lucky SOB! We've had two of'm in the shop in the last month and I'm diggin the dog stew out of that 938. A little pricey though compared to the 238 huh? Pretty comfortable to carry too I bet?


Chupa
 
Originally Posted By: Chupathingy Dude, you lucky SOB! We've had two of'm in the shop in the last month and I'm diggin the dog stew out of that 938. A little pricey though compared to the 238 huh? Pretty comfortable to carry too I bet?
Chupa

Yes on all counts. My only complaint is the trigger needs a little work.
Muzzle flip/recoil not bad at all - my girlfriend loves it!
 
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