Don't like how I hunt, huh?

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Ok, I LIVE in Texas. Have all my life. Hunted since age 6. Never ever have I ever been on a high fence hunt. Never been on a high fence ranch at all. Always hunted fair chase. But I will not stand by and bash people who do not hunt like me. I drink Jack Daniels Single Barrel whiskey, does that make the people that drink Jim wrong? No, do I talk crap about them, no. You can go back and check my posts, and I have never EVER flamed someone, and I do not plan to start now. At what point does it change from being opnionated, to being hatefull, or disrespectfull? Sometimes I wish I wasn't such a nice guy...
 
Soo...even though you may agree with my opinion you flame me for mine?????????Those who support this style of hnting are welocme to share their opinion bu tbecause i dont Im not allowed?????You need help...
 
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Ok, I LIVE in Texas. Have all my life. Hunted since age 6. Never ever have I ever been on a high fence hunt. Never been on a high fence ranch at all. Always hunted fair chase. But I will not stand by and bash people who do not hunt like me. I drink Jack Daniels Single Barrel whiskey, does that make the people that drink Jim wrong? No, do I talk crap about them, no. You can go back and check my posts, and I have never EVER flamed someone, and I do not plan to start now. At what point does it change from being opnionated, to being hatefull, or disrespectfull? Sometimes I wish I wasn't such a nice guy...


I am agreeing with you, my post was aimed in another direction all together man. If you notice, you and I are echoing each other here.
 
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Yhe good idea,you just put your entire leg in your mouth.


Actually, I became disappointed in myself for getting too personal, so I decided it wasn't worth it. Do yourself a favor though, learn some respect!!!
 
Respect?Like telling other guys they are negative because their opinions dont line up with your own?yhe right,ok...If you dont agree with anothers opinion share your own,not just your opinion of their disagreement,make a case for your opinion,dont just flame.You should have left your post up so everyone could get a taste of your "respect".
 
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So, is the use of a guide "hunting?" How about the legal shooting of ground squirrels? What about bow-hunting, or hunting from an elevated stand, bow-fishing, using decoys, using semi-automatic weapons, using a crossbow, farmers/ranchers charging access fees to their own land, or using feeders? I guess, if you don't hunt the Montana mountains, you can't possibly be a "hunter."




If you really don't know the difference I'll give one stab at it for you. Hunting wild free ranging animals with equipment that is considered legal, is hunting. Anything other than that, well isn't.

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When will the "ethics" police learn to get over themselves and keep their ethics opinions to themselves? The original post had nothing to do with "game farms" or CWD. It was an opinion too, granted, but, I think, meant only as food for thought.



You'd better hope sportsman never get tired of policing our own ranks, and ethics is a big part of it. In order for our sport to survive the 21st century we will need to make ever effort possible to see to it that we and our brothers hunt and fish legally, and show respect for the animals that we pursue. The day we give up and keep our mouths shut when we see something illegal or unethical will be the day the 80% of the population turns against us in force.

One other aspect of game farms that's not been hit on here, is the fact that they degrade the wild trophy animals taken by ethical means. How many game farm heads get dragged out of the shed 5, 10, or 15 years down the road and entered in the books. This steroid fed animal been honored with animals that deserve it, diminishes the effort to harvest great animals. Game farms place counterfeit trophies in with deserving greatness.
 
Hello again, NONYA.

Nonya is real good at making well thought-out, eloquent posts stating his position very clearly.

However he doesn't seem to put half of that effort into reading and comprehending others replies. He can be pretty ornery, and seems to enjoy a good argument. As the post goes on, he gets more and more irrational with his replies and pays less and less attention to what you are saying to him.
At least when he is flat-out wrong like he was when we were arguing about airguns and big game. That's when his debating skills really deteriorate. It was obvious he was not processing any of the factual information I was giving him about the airguns and was grasping for straws towards the end. He just kept thinking "hunting with Grandpa's Daisy) in his head.

NONYA still to this day says I am a big fan of high fenced hunts (I have been on exactly ONE high fenced hunt) because I gathered with a group of airgunners to hunt hogs at a high-fenced ranch in Oklahoma, and posted a picture of my ram to demonstrate the effectiveness of airguns on larger animals (it worked very well, I might add).
We can only legally hunt big game with our airguns in a few states (the list is growing fast). We were invited to hunt with our airguns at this ranch and happily accepted the invitation. We had a great time, too, EVEN THOUGH HALF OF US DIDN'T GET OUR HOG.
NONYA took it upon himself to mix the high-fences and exotics in for flavor to try to cast a bad light on airguns. I told him numerous times in the same thread that I was not debating the high fence issue, only the use of airguns on big game. He refused to acknowledge that and went on and on about how he felt about high-fenced hunting even though it was completely off topic.

What is happening here is that two issues are being rolled into one; high fences being one issue and exotics being the other. One is an issue of hunting style, the other is an environmental issue.

I don't think there is anything wrong with high-fence operations.

Personally, I do lean towards NONYA's opinion on exotics that are a threat to the native species. As an Oregonian I highly value our wildlife and the excellent hunting here.
I am going to attempt organizing a coalition of hunters that is dedicated to eradicating invasive and feral species (nutria, sheep, hogs, bullfrogs, rock doves, starlings, you name it) here in Oregon (where exotics other than the sheep are now illegal). Especially the wild hogs that are showing up in our state. Let's see if NONYA thinks that thru.


I shot a ram on this hunt because I wanted to see for myself how effective my .45 airgun was on animals that size before attempting to make airguns legal for big game in my state, and have an answer for those that say they aren't capable and that hunting big game with airguns is irresponsible. I was supporting the use of airguns for hunting, and not the high fence issue AT ALL.

I also didn't want to go back to Oregon without knowing first-hand, or go home with an empty cooler.
 
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geewiz, you would think someone asked about springtime calling or something.lol /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

if you hunt, your a hunter. i don't agree with the way some hunters hunt, but i keep that to myself. we all as hunters need to stick to gether eventhough we don't agree with one another.
if your type of hunting is legal, then you are no more or no less then a hunter then i am. if i don't like the way you hunt,that is my problem, but i still will have your back in a fight.
 
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geewiz, you would think someone asked about springtime calling or something.lol /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

if you hunt, your a hunter. i don't agree with the way some hunters hunt, but i keep that to myself. we all as hunters need to stick to gether eventhough we don't agree with one another.
if your type of hunting is legal, then you are no more or no less then a hunter then i am. if i don't like the way you hunt,that is my problem, but i still will have your back in a fight.

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I agree 100% with gary1. Just because I dont agree doesnt make me right over anyone else. If its legal get out and hunt. Whether you shoot anything or not to me its about getting out and seing stuff or trying to. I love being outdoors and so do my kids. I hope they keep enjoying.
 
After reading the entire post, I have to say that for the first time in my life I am ashamed to be a sportsman, not because what I do is wrong, but because the anti hunting groups show more unity in what they believe than WE do. I shoot groundhogs in the spring with no remorse, some shoot prairie dogs, and ground squirrels with no remorse there are no offspring ? The coyote is considered a groundhog in Ohio, no closed season no bag limit, same rules apply, not a game animal.
I bow hunted, a corn field edge, and a stand of acorns last year, was I hunting over a feeder ?
It is my unfortunate circumstance to be born in a state where fair chase is considered 200 acres of land or more, other than that you get lucky, or, are hunting over a feeder, or food plot of some kind.
And the best of all these, is the idea that someone needs to be beaten until they know the meaning of compassion !
I bailed hay for an old women when I was a kid, every batch of cute kittens we found in the mow, we had to drowned all but one. She knew what her farm could sustain, she was not cruel, she did what she was taught. When she died the farm went with her.
Gentleman, I resign myself to obtaining a membership in PETA, as it seems that is where my future lies if left to the sportsmen of this nation.
I am ashamed, and I hope that my children have more conviction than I.
As they say in the city; You all talk the talk, but nobody wants to walk the walk. Good luck to you ALL. I know my new chosen cause is ready and willing.

It is a shame,I Loved HUNTING.

Kurt Kessler
 

Anyone that wants to is encouraged to copy the story above and spread the word. The PETA has generated a lot of momentum lately and their agenda is progressing.

If the banning of p-dog shooting being seriously considered doesn't demonstrate this, I don't know what will.

More and more people are equating hunting with Michael Vick due to the inhumane-societies propaganda.

The PETA people see us turning against each-other and are literally laughing at us, saying to themselves "these guys are making this SOOO easy, they are so stupid they don't even have the common sense to unite against our dedicated, and obviously well financed, attack."

Let's get it together, people.
 
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You'd better hope sportsman never get tired of policing our own ranks, and ethics is a big part of it. In order for our sport to survive the 21st century we will need to make ever effort possible to see to it that we and our brothers hunt and fish legally, and show respect for the animals that we pursue. The day we give up and keep our mouths shut when we see something illegal or unethical will be the day the 80% of the population turns against us in force.

One other aspect of game farms that's not been hit on here, is the fact that they degrade the wild trophy animals taken by ethical means. How many game farm heads get dragged out of the shed 5, 10, or 15 years down the road and entered in the books. This steroid fed animal been honored with animals that deserve it, diminishes the effort to harvest great animals. Game farms place counterfeit trophies in with deserving greatness.



You are talking about two completely different things. Ethics and laws are not the same. Ethics, or morals, are personal opinions. If these ethics can be backed up with fact then they should be made into law. I agree that we need to police ourselves, and that anyone stepping outside of the law should be handled accordingly, but I do not agree, and do not understand, with forcing one's opinion on others.

All of the examples I stated, and you quoted, were things that I have actually heard other sportsmen say were "unethical." All of them, if done legally, are accepted and used by countless hunters.

Now let me play devil's advocate with you. You talk about record books. Maybe I feel that keeping these books is unethical and disrespecful to the animals (I don't feel that way). Maybe I feel that the hunt is not about the kill, and certainly not about how big the antlers are (I don't, and I probably wouldn't measure them if I thought they were the biggest in the world). Does that mean that I should fight to get the keeping of these records banned?

All I am saying is that, as long as a hunting activity is legal, it can be considered ethical by those participating in it. If, factually, that activity is harmful to the animals, or their environment, then it needs to be dealt with accordingly. However, we should not attack those participating legally in the activity, just present the facts. Also, we need to stop with this "harmful to the sport" and "fuel for the anti's" attitiude. The only thing we do that is harmful to our heritage and gives fuel to the anti hunters is spout off about what we think is "unethical" in public forums that they can use to fight us.
 
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The PETA people see us turning against each-other and are literally laughing at us, saying to themselves "these guys are making this SOOO easy, they are so stupid they don't even have the common sense to unite against our dedicated, and obviously well financed, attack."

Let's get it together, people.



While I agree that we need to stick together as sportsmen, I do acknowledge that people are going to disagree with each other.

I don't see anybody turning against anybody. I see a lot of opinions being voiced but I don't think that this is such a red flag to PETA, nor do I see anybody trying to get any type of hunting banned (in this forum at least).

No offence, but I have never read a story about a PETA movement and read about how they are pointing out that we cannot stick together. Correct me if I am wrong though. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif

I also do agree that the PETA movement is gaining movement and progressing.
 
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Anyone that wants to is encouraged to copy the story above and spread the word.




Butcher, I already took the liberty and made 50 copies. I'll see to it that they get a good distribution.
 
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