Don't like how I hunt, huh?

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Next time another hunter talks down on how you hunt, tell that cannibal to read this.


Cannibals and useful idiots

Written by John Wasmuth

The following is real, and it’s here.
Joe Hunter goes to a cocktail party, nothing fancy, just a holiday gathering in Anytown, USA. A conversation begins with Bob Peta, it goes something like this;
“Say Joe, didn’t you go deer hunting this year.”
“Sure did Bob.”
“Man that’s, uh, great, did you get one?”
“Yep, sure did, nice 6 point.”
“Uh, wow, hey that’s great. Say listen Joe, yer a true hunter, a ”Real” hunter are you not?”
“Yes, I sure am.”
“Say, I hear tell of a kinda huntin where people can go and kill animals in fenced in areas. You’ve never done that have you?”
“No, no I haven’t.”
“Well I wouldn’t call that “real” hunting, would you Joe.”
“Well, that’s not the way I hunt.”
“I know Joe, but there are people that hunt in fenced areas, I don’t think that’s “Really” hunting, do you Joe.”
“Well, uh, I guess not.”
“Great, say listen Joe, a bunch of us concerned “Real” hunters are trying to get that done away with, we feel that it is unethical. Will you help us Joe?”
“Well sure, because that’s not the way I hunt, and I am a “Real” hunter.”
“Say thanks Joe; here is what we need you to do. As a “real” hunter, the big boys in senate and congress will listen to you; they know that any “Real” hunter only hunts the way you do, and that’s the only “Real” hunting there is. So what we need you to do is get out there and get petitions signed, people will sign them because you are a “Real” hunter and know that only your way of hunting is the “Real” way.”
So Joe diligently goes after the goal, to ban and outlaw any kind of hunting that Bob suggests is not “Real” hunting. He gathers signatures, petitions courts, makes meetings, he is really cleaning up this “unethical” way of hunting. Hell, he’s got a lot of support. He’s gathering “Real” hunters from all over, and finally, after much hard work, they get a legal way of hunting banned.

“Joe, you did great and we sure appreciate your hard work, but hey, let me tell you what I heard about. There is another kind of hunting “We” think is not right. Do you think you can help us?”
“Well, I guess so Bob, I don’t hunt like that, so it’s not “Real” hunting. How can I help?”
“Well, here is what we need…….,” and it’s the same story. Odd how Bob seems to keep adding onto the list of what “Real” hunting is, but Joe goes at it hard and heavy, and in the end, he gets that type of legal hunting banned. Bob and his “Friends” are happy. Joe’s a “Real” hunter after all, and these other guy’s, well, they are not, because the way they hunt is different from Joe, and Joe does not like that type of hunting, so what’s the harm in getting rid of it? Joe’s a “Real” hunter you know. Not like those other guys. He even goes to Sportsmans organizations and recruits from within, it’s easy because there are a lot of “Real” hunters there.

Time passes and more and more legal forms of hunting are banned. Bob and his “friends” are happy with Joe. He’s been a big help. After it’s all just about gone, Bob and his “friends” decide that it is time to get Joe’s way of hunting banned, the final chapter.
“Bob, uh, hey buddy, this is Joe. I know I helped you get rid of all those other forms of legal hunting, but now there is a move to get rid of the way I hunt.”
“Well Joe, I know. My “friends” and I are spearheading that.”
“But Bob, I thought you liked the way I hunt, that it was ok for me to do the type of hunting I do.”
“Well Joe, no, any and all types of hunting are bad, the poor defenseless animals never have a chance, and we dislike, actually hate hunters.”
“But I thought the way I hunted was “Real” hunting to you.”
“Hell Joe, it was all “ Real” hunting, but we at PETA and HSUS Hate you, but thanks for all your help, we really appreciate it.”

You see, what Joe became was a “Cannibal”. A “Useful Idiot” to the anti’s and PETA. They don’t give a rat’s backside how you hunt, what you hunt, or when you hunt. They just want all hunting done away with. They use hunters against hunters to gain support for their “Causes”.

If you do not support any and all forms of legal hunting, and decide to pick and chose the ones you like and dislike, and voice any decent about the way someone else legally hunts, you are in fact, a “Cannibal” and a very very “Useful Idiot” for the enemy. There are plants even within the sacred walls of your favorite Sportsman’s organizations. Route them out, expose them, and rid the board of them. Hunting’s future depends upon it.
 
A good example of how the anti's try to use one form of hunting against another, is going on in Colorado right now.
They're trying to diguise their proposed ban on Prarie dog shooting as not an anti hunting measure. (of course that's BS)

Redfrog has a post at the top of this page (Ban The Hunt) or go to the Varmint hunting forum, check it out and hit the link to sign the petition (in support of prarie dog shooting) to help those guys out.
 
Sorry Butcher45, but antis had nothing to do with banning the shooting of elk on game farms in Montana. It was the sportsman that spearheaded the initiative to do away with them. We understood the serious threat associated with such operations. In area's with wild elk populations,genetic polution from escaped elk that had red deer genes is a real posibility. Also the dangers from desease transmition from captive populations of ungulates. CWD, TB, ect. Not to mention the fact that the 80% of the population that doesn't hunt considers the use of game farms distastfull as do sportsman and woman that believe in fair chase.
Game farms are not hunting, their shooting facilities plain and simple, and to equate the fact the outlawing there use is a chip on the foundation of legitamate hunting is ludicrise at best. If certain types of ranching threaten the livelyhoods and heratage of all sportsman then they should be outlawed, where wild free ranging ungulates reside. Having game farms with animals that are of the same native species that reside in wild populations close by is playing with fire. It's not a matter of if the captive animals will escape and mix with the wild population, but when. Just last year a good part of a ranchers herd of captive elk escaped right next to yellowstone park, quite a few have never been accounted for.

Seems to me that the cannible is the game farm rancher and trying to turn this into a sticks divided scenerio is like a Hillery Clinton telling us she pro gun.
 
I don't think the story was intended to be a factual account of a particular event. Instead, a scenario was fictionalized to illustrate how the infiltration process of the anti's is accomplished. And how effective it can be. Just look at what happened to the CA Fish & Game Commission.
 
I made this post in response to a post ripping on hunting over feeders, not the hunting of exotics.
The hog wasn't off someone's breeding program, either. It was a wild Oklahoma hog from right there in the area.
 
Butcher is a big supporter of canned hunts with "airguns" on other sites,im sure hes just tying to stir the same pot here.4100 thanx for a common sense/honest response to a long line set out to snag defenders of fairchase hunting.MT had its ONLY cases of CWD showing up in GAME FARM ELK so we did the right thing and shut em down to protect THE MASSIVE WILD HERDS that we all love to hunt,not drive out into an enclose,shoot ,remove ear tag and take our "hero" pics.Regardless of species its not hunting and it NEVER will be.
 
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So, is the use of a guide "hunting?" How about the legal shooting of ground squirrels? What about bow-hunting, or hunting from an elevated stand, bow-fishing, using decoys, using semi-automatic weapons, using a crossbow, farmers/ranchers charging access fees to their own land, or using feeders? I guess, if you don't hunt the Montana mountains, you can't possibly be a "hunter."

When will the "ethics" police learn to get over themselves and keep their ethics opinions to themselves? The original post had nothing to do with "game farms" or CWD. It was an opinion too, granted, but, I think, meant only as food for thought.

The elitist argument comes up, unfortunately on every hunting related site, dealing with every hunting related aspect. Why is that? I guess it is just because we, as humans, love to contend with our "neighbors." How can we ever come together enough to defend our heritage and rights if we can't even agree to let one another live our own lives (as long as it is law-abiding). "Sportsmen" participated in the banning of the use of dogs for lion and bear hunting in the Pacific NW, and they have participated in the banning of other hunting as well just because it wasn't their way. Well, some day, our "ways" will all be ended and we'll have to find something else to fight with each other about. I vote for checkers, just because I'd love to see the different "checkers ethics" everyone would hold. Guarantee, it wouldn't take long before someone piped up "that's not checkers and never will be!" /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
 
When the other "styles" of hunting promote game raising that threatens the wild herds I hunt Im not going to sit by and say "to each his own",CWD could end hunting as we know it and the sportsmen of Montana did what they had to to prevent it from being spread to the wild herds,game escape from these farms all the time and its rare that they are all recovered.Ethics have nothing to do with preventing the spread of a disease that could wipe out the game we hunt,thats common sensse,and it didnt prevent ANYONE from hunting in Montana except the ones that are too lazy to get out in the hills and find game that isnt penned up for their pleasure.If wanting to protect my hunting and the wild herds of game that live in my state at the cost of putting a few canned hunting outfits out of buisness makes me an "elitist" then I consider it my duty to be an "elitist" and no amount of guilt tripping by those who want us to "unite" and accept all forms of "hunting" as hunting and stand behind it is goi9ng to change that.
 
The term sheeple comes to mind....These big canned hunting outfits risk disease outbreak and block the natural migration of wild herds,how can they possibly be good for our sport?How can getting rid of them be detrimental to our game and our sport?They are gone from my state and we have more hunters here than ever,in fact we are one of the few states where the number of hunters is on the rise,Texas will always be around for the guys who want ot call themselves hunters but dont want to actually do any hunting,Montana will be here for those who enjoy the challenge of a real hunt where you pay for your gas,grub and gun,not the B&C inches on the livestock you pick from the pen.
 
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Guess what, I don't, personally agree with a place where an elk is hand raised and fed hay then put into a pasture to be shot by some rich New Yorker either. I don't however, condemn those that have the money and don't mind spending it, and I don't consider myself better than them. The points that these farms were a danger to the local wildlife are valid and are the reason Montana's law was passed. Emotion, and this "that it isn't hunting" attitude are detrimental, where facts are building blocks.

Have you ever hunted in Texas? Why would you attack an entire state of sportsmen like that? What I don't understand, and can't abide by, is the negativity and factless hatred. That is what is used against all hunting and fishing, emotion. Once again, apparently, if you don't hunt Montana you must be wrong.
 
I have "HUNTED" in Texas,have you?At the age of 11 I was invited down by some friends to hunt Sitka and WT on their place,the Sitka were penned game and I got a first hand intro into the wonderful world of shooting penned game,I threw the rack away when i got home,wasnt proud of it at all.
 
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Redfrog? I have never even met the guy. Why are you comparing me to him?

I love Texas, but that is not my point. My bigger question to you is why would you blatantly attack those sportsmen of that state? Why can you never seem to post anything positive? Why do you feel you need to attack other people? Might I make a suggestion? Look back at all of your posts since December (that's when I joined, so it's all I can really speak for). You will see that a vast majority of what you have posted on this site is either blatantly bashing someone else or, at least, of a negative connotation. I'm sorry, but that is disrespectful. Respect is something that is running in short supply in our day and age, and, when it runs out all together, chaos will take over.
 
Maybe because i know a few guys who call themselves hunters and have never done any hunting off a canned operation.I have been on canned operations and seen how they are run behind the scenes,nothing more than a glorified livestock operation,IMO this is not hunting nor is it good for the sport,aside from handicap hunters who need the services they provide to enjoy the sport there is nothing posative to be said about them.Funny how my opinions are seen as negative because they differ from yours.If I dont like something am i not allowed to share my opinion,ifit differs from yours am I not allowed to share it?Please set the rules clearly so nobody can post a "negative" opinion.Funny how ever since you have joine every post of yours following one of mine is pointing out the negativity of mine ....very curious.
 
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