Don't like how I hunt, huh?

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Thats why they put the ban on the importation of deer.

What is being done to combat CWD?
TPWD has stopped allowing the purchase and importation of live white-tailed deer and mule deer into the state. TAHC maintains a format of entry requirements that all other cervid species must meet before legally coming into the state. Both TPWD and TAHC, along with USDA Veterinary Services, are continuing the testing of captive deer and elk and hunter-harvested animals
 



1. Are there any reported cases of cwd in Texas, if not why? Don't live in TX so I don't know. Even if no cwd; it still is not hunting no matter how you look at it. CWD is not the only ill of the fences!!

2. Have you hunted with an outfitter\guide? No; actually I am the 'guide' to most of my friends and wife.

3. When you go out hunting do you take horse/mules/ATV? No; I have only used an atv one time and that was after shooting a deer. I walked back and got the atv to go get it.

4. Do you eat meat that you have not killed? Yes; all the time. It is called livestock.

5. Do you park your truck at the gate and walk in to hunt eventhough there are 6 more fences and 6 miles of road? Yes. We have drug a deer over 2 miles to get it back to the truck.

6. Once you kill your coyote, PD, coon, ETC. do you eat it? Nope; save them for the fur to sell. I have only had the chance to shoot PD's a very very few times.

7. Do you hunt in competitions? Nope not my thing. I am not against them they just are not my thing.

8. Do you hunt with a gps, radio, range finder, wind meter? I have a range finder.

9. We a sportsmen/hunters have already lost so much that our Great grand fathers, grand fathers and Fathers had do you really what to loose more by not supporting each other? I support all HUNTING but not the shooting of LIVESTOCK in the name of hunting!! I have nothing against people raising deer, elk or whatever as long as it is done as livestock like cows and such. Just do not try and pass it off as hunting. Heck; a friend of mine after eating some elk I had went and bought and elk from a farm. He did not however go shoot it or try in any way to say it was hunted. He bought it processed just like a cow/livestock should be.

10. Do you get my point? Yepper sure do. HUNTERS should stick together but raising or shooting of livestock doesn't make you a hunter. It makes you a rancher or a processor.
 
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I'm sorry "the you must support things that you don't believe in line" holds no water with me. In fact, what does it say about a man's character if he goes along with what he believes to be wrong for his own (possible) gain? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif




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he is also a BIG ANIMAL RIGHTS ACTIVIST. He was in Halifax a couple of years ago, on the news spouting off on the seal hunt. He knew very little actual facts about it




So what you are saying to me is if I thought the clubbing and killing of seal was bad I should support those who want to stop the hunting of seals.

http://www.fisherycrisis.com/seals/greysealhunt.htm#1
http://www.hsus.org/protect_seals.html
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/03/25/sealers-060325.html
http://blog.stopthesealhunt.com/


You may not like the method that hunters par-take in but that does not mean they should be prevented from doing what is legal and if monitored safe.

 
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GWH... I don't see how one quote from a completely unrelated topic is relevant to this discussion and no I was not trying to put words in your mouth as you did above with your quote. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

But since you brought up the subject I can only assume that you would like me to make a comment and possibly an observation as well, so here goes:

They have for the most part completely done away with the clubbing of seals (even though it was an efficient and painless method) ... they have been shooting them for the last number of years (and are on the verge of making that the law). /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gifIt seems that you need to check both your facts and your sources which appear to be propaganda from Animal Rights Groups! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif BTW the harvesting of "white coated seals" was outlawed over 20 years ago /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif--- funny how these ARG still use those old outdated images to raise funds from the gullable.

Lastly, it is not really considered Hunting ... it's a Slaughter. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif


Cheers
 
I have nothing against people raising deer, elk or whatever as long as it is done as livestock like cows and such. Just do not try and pass it off as hunting. Heck; a friend of mine after eating some elk I had went and bought and elk from a farm. He did not however go shoot it or try in any way to say it was hunted. He bought it processed just like a cow/livestock should be.


So you do not have a problem with game farms as long as the person who kills the elk does not claim they hunted. I can deal with that. But what if the elk are wild and the rancher happens to own the land they winter on and charges four grand or more to shoot one is that hunting? You and I are not that far apart. Hunting is the only difference. If they are in an enclosure then they are not hunting but killing. But from what I have seen and read there are some that are on more land the I hunt for far chase.
 
WOW my apologize to Redfrog and NASA ... I thought you were both paranoid about ARA lurking on the board ... but after checking GWH's sources ... IFAW, HSUS, and the Sea Sheppard Society... I think you might be right and he could be one of them.
 
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I was not trying to put words in your mouth as you did above with your quote.




I did not put words in your mouth. I posted your words.

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But since you brought up the subject I can only assume that you would like me to make a comment and possibly an observation as well, so here goes:




No not really. I could care less

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They have for the most part completely done away with the clubbing of seals (even though it was an efficient and painless method) ... they have been shooting them for the last number of years (and are on the verge of making that the law). It seems that you need to check both your facts and your sources which appear to be propaganda from Animal Rights Groups! BTW the harvesting of "white coated seals" was outlawed over 20 years ago --- funny how these ARG still use those old outdated images to raise funds from the gullable.




Again I could care less that was my point. But since you stated the outlawing of the white seal kill you have helped my point.

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Lastly, it is not really considered Hunting ... it's a Slaughter.




That’s funny and helpful for the ANTI’s
 
What ever I am the one saying that we should be able to hunt what and how we want. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif Google is a wonderful tool to keep up with the Anti's. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif Now you went and hurt my feelings with your name calling /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
 
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I don't doubt what your saying Courgus ... Hopefully they won't have any cases, but just because they haven't yet (that have come to the authorities attention) doesn't mean that they won't in the future.

Tell me, would you at least agree that their ban on importation of animals was put in place to protect their herds from possible outside contamination? If you won't conceed this point, then why do you think they banned importation?

Why are other jurisdictions banning the use of scents?



Point conceded but why if CWD is caused buy game farms is the state of texas the game farm capital of the USA not over run with CWD or a single case. I understand you do not like it but the fact is Texas is doing it and with out all the doom and gloom of your stated opinions.
 
It's not about hunting...........

It's about freedom: If I own property, do I have a right to engage in any legal enterprise on that property that I choose?

Or becouse someone doesn't like it, do they have a right to stop me?

If someone doesn't like what I do with my property, does that give them a right to stop someone else from paying me for access to what I offer on my property?

Does that give me the right to stop any of your activities that I don't like?

If we take away every activity that someone/anyone doesn't like, will anything be left?
 
I was researching varmint hunting last night and came across these articles written by a couple of writers from Montana.

4100fps, and Nonya; are you guys from Montana named Bill Schneider or George Wuerthner? Are they your buddies? Seriously.

George Wuerthner (former hunting guide in Montana, hates varmint/predator hunters, writer)
article by George Wuerthner
http://www.newwest.net/topic/article/oregons_cougar_slaughter_a_return_to_the_dark_ages/C38/L38/
http://www.newwest.net/city/article/idaho_wolf_plan_panders_to_hunters_and_ranchers/C108/L108/


Bill Schneider (Obama lover, NRA-hater, Montana outdoors writer)
articles by Bill Schneider
http://www.newwest.net/topic/article/mot...issues/C41/L41/
http://www.newwest.net/topic/article/the_nra_chronology/C41/L41/
http://www.newwest.net/topic/article/com...unting/C41/L41/
and my personal vote for the most convoluted load of crap I've read in awhile.....
http://www.newwest.net/topic/article/more_guns_in_national_parks/C41/L41/
 
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It's not about hunting...........

It's about freedom: If I own property, do I have a right to engage in any legal enterprise on that property that I choose?

Or becouse someone doesn't like it, do they have a right to stop me?

If someone doesn't like what I do with my property, does that give them a right to stop someone else from paying me for access to what I offer on my property?

Does that give me the right to stop any of your activities that I don't like?

If we take away every activity that someone/anyone doesn't like, will anything be left?



I like to grow a garden but that don't mean I should be able to grow a bunch of dope and cocaine!!!
Before you pull out the legal card once upon a time it wasn't illegal to grow that stuff. Heck coca cola had cocaine in it!!
There are and have been times that really stupid stuff that is legal needs to be outlawed!!
Once again.... there is nothing wrong with raising whatever livestock you want but don't try and pass it off as hunting. Raise all the elk/whatever you want and get the stores to sell it like beef or slaughter it and sell it yourself but don't give HUNTING the blackeye it is getting now from the fenced operations!!!

Edited to add: I have never done and never will or condone the use of drugs!!!!
 
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It sure as h_ll ain't shooting some penned up animal!!
Let's hear your definition of hunting. I am sure as long as you kill it instead of buy it dead then it must be hunting right?? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
If an animal has free range(no fence any where to stop it) then it is your choice how you want to hunt it as far as I am concerned. I may not like the way you hunt it but at least it is fair chase and I will support it. The animal should also be a naturally wild animal and not a put and take situation.
The pheasant farm thing was brought up earlier and that is not hunting either; dog training yes but definitely not hunting.
 
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1. Are there any reported cases of cwd in Texas, if not why? Don't live in TX so I don't know. Even if no cwd; it still is not hunting no matter how you look at it. CWD is not the only ill of the fences!!

2. Have you hunted with an outfitter\guide? No; actually I am the 'guide' to most of my friends and wife.

3. When you go out hunting do you take horse/mules/ATV? No; I have only used an atv one time and that was after shooting a deer. I walked back and got the atv to go get it.

4. Do you eat meat that you have not killed? Yes; all the time. It is called livestock.

5. Do you park your truck at the gate and walk in to hunt eventhough there are 6 more fences and 6 miles of road? Yes. We have drug a deer over 2 miles to get it back to the truck.

6. Once you kill your coyote, PD, coon, ETC. do you eat it? Nope; save them for the fur to sell. I have only had the chance to shoot PD's a very very few times.

7. Do you hunt in competitions? Nope not my thing. I am not against them they just are not my thing.

8. Do you hunt with a gps, radio, range finder, wind meter? I have a range finder.

9. We a sportsmen/hunters have already lost so much that our Great grand fathers, grand fathers and Fathers had do you really what to loose more by not supporting each other? I support all HUNTING but not the shooting of LIVESTOCK in the name of hunting!! I have nothing against people raising deer, elk or whatever as long as it is done as livestock like cows and such. Just do not try and pass it off as hunting. Heck; a friend of mine after eating some elk I had went and bought and elk from a farm. He did not however go shoot it or try in any way to say it was hunted. He bought it processed just like a cow/livestock should be.

10. Do you get my point? Yepper sure do. HUNTERS should stick together but raising or shooting of livestock doesn't make you a hunter. It makes you a rancher or a processor.



Well isnt driving you truck to you hunting ground taken advantage of the animals no matter if you have to walk 2 miles in? I mean the animals have no trucks to get out of your hunting grounds. So I guess you have an advantage over them there. I dont know how good of a shot you are but is it fair you are using a gun that can kill 100, 200 300yrds away? Isnt that another advantage? I mean come on you are just driving out your hunting grounds and shooting them arent you?
 
Advantages yes, PENNED UP H_LL NO!!!!!!!!

That has to be THE STUPIDEST argument for fences that anyone could ever come up with!!!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

What the heck are you thinking??!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
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