Don't like how I hunt, huh?

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For those of you that don't want to take the time to read this article here is a little tid bit that sums up my feelings on these garbage high fence operations. Great article 4100 fps.

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9.0 Public Perception

Alberta currently has almost twice as many elk on game ranches at it does in the wild (452
farms and 44,142 elk in October 2003). If Alberta continues to increase the operations and
privatize our wildlife, what will happen to the reverence that the public now has for
wildlife? We believe that in the future that reverence will diminish and wildlife will
eventually lose its place of stature in the environment and be seen as a commodity to be
bought, sold and shot by the person who is wealthy. If disease should get into our wild
stocks then that reverence would crash rapidly and the revenue that businesses and the
government now earn from those that go out to view, photograph or hunt wildlife would
cease.
Public perception of unhealthy wildlife may place our wildlife at risk for fear of
spreading disease.



For all of you guys that don't have 10-15 grand to shell out for a hunting tag this should hit home for you. As more canned hunts pop up more and more of the average hunters lose opportunities to hunt. Talk about hunting turning into a rich mans sport. If hunters don't start speaking up it is going to be harder and harder for the average joe to take his kids hunting in the future.
Nothing good will ever come from game farms and wild life being processed like a side of beef for the rich masquerading as hunters. Its sickening.
 
"I dare you to read it Redfrog:"

Dare me? Dare me? DARE ME!!!! How dare you dare me??? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/angry-smiley-055.gif

Good thing you didn't double dog dare me /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

BTW. You still don't get it. I'll bet you never will. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
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For those of you that don't want to take the time to read this article here is a little tid bit that sums up my feelings on these garbage high fence operations. Great article 4100 fps.

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9.0 Public Perception

Alberta currently has almost twice as many elk on game ranches at it does in the wild (452
farms and 44,142 elk in October 2003). If Alberta continues to increase the operations and
privatize our wildlife, what will happen to the reverence that the public now has for
wildlife? We believe that in the future that reverence will diminish and wildlife will
eventually lose its place of stature in the environment and be seen as a commodity to be
bought, sold and shot by the person who is wealthy. If disease should get into our wild
stocks then that reverence would crash rapidly and the revenue that businesses and the
government now earn from those that go out to view, photograph or hunt wildlife would
cease.
Public perception of unhealthy wildlife may place our wildlife at risk for fear of
spreading disease.



For all of you guys that don't have 10-15 grand to shell out for a hunting tag this should hit home for you. As more canned hunts pop up more and more of the average hunters lose opportunities to hunt. Talk about hunting turning into a rich mans sport. If hunters don't start speaking up it is going to be harder and harder for the average joe to take his kids hunting in the future.
Nothing good will ever come from game farms and wild life being processed like a side of beef for the rich masquerading as hunters. Its sickening.




How about some science instead of biased opinion that is five years old. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
 
Again, you've never answered any questions! You won't even look at the link I've posted because your own game and fish knows how dangerous game farms are.

Most outfitters I know, aren't ever concerned about the resource either.

I think that as hunters and sportsman we have to consolidate our fight to area's that we can win. If we try to fight all front's the one's that make us look bad will drag us down. If it's wrong we're not going to have much success. Oh you can believe I get it. Where's the last post you've had any type of fact's? You won't answer a single question. If there's nothing to hunt, then what's the point of the fight to keep hunting alive? That's alright I know you won't answer that either.

You pointed out that I hadn't read the prairie dog post where Colorado was considering whether or not to halt the hunting of them. In it I read where the Black Tailed Prairie dog only exits on 1 to 2% of it's historic range. If true, how can we as sportsman fight that. We shouldn't be hunting them. The resource should always come first. Would you have shot the last buffalo in Montana just because it was legal? We need to police our own ranks, in order to keep the politicians from doing it.
 
Redfrog,
What in the article wasn't scientific enough for a brain surgeon like yourself?

Because the article is 4 years old are you saying that it has somehow lost its validity?

Of course it is a biased opinion. The Alberta Game and Fish have an interest in protecting hunting. If they don't they lose their jobs. Guys like you will still have an outlet for making money off of hunting. Game and fish will be out of work because there will be no one to buy licences. What happens to the wild life when there is no money to manage them?

You seem like an almost intelligent human being. I'm surprised you are having so much trouble understanding this.
 
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How about some science instead of biased opinion that is five years old.



It's from your Alberta Fish and Game. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
It contains facts, figures, and evidence of why game farms shouldn't exist. Read it if you have any since of reality at all you'll not be able to Deni it.

How about the payments to game farmers for having to kill off the livestock because of disease. Public subsidy to this industry.
 
"Again, you've never answered any questions"

Very good young Jedi /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif the beginning of knowledge it is. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif..............Obi wan coyote.

As I said you have no clue. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif You don't even realize that the source of link is NOT the Fish and Wildlife Branch. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif



"In it I read where the Black Tailed Prairie dog only exits on 1 to 2% of it's historic range. If true, how can we as sportsman fight that. We shouldn't be hunting them. The resource should always come first. Would you have shot the last buffalo in Montana just because it was legal? We need to police our own ranks, in order to keep the politicians from doing it."

PLEASE, PLEASE post this in the Colordo thread. PLEEEEASE! C'mon PRETTY PLEEEEASE.


"We shouldn't be hunting them"" The defence rests your honor, the defendant has shot himself in his ethics. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif I think that 4100fps must be how fast you need to run. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
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As I said you have no clue. You don't even realize that the source of link is NOT the Fish and Wildlife Branch.

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My bad! But what difference does it make? The facts are still facts.

Also you've taken my post out of context again. I said " If the fact that the black tailed prairie dog is down to only 1 or 2% is true then how can we argue if we should hunt them or not. Again as an outfitter your more concerened how to make money off the public resource that conserving anything for future generations. Your actions speak louder than words.
 
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Redfrog,
What in the article wasn't scientific enough for a brain surgeon like yourself?

Because the article is 4 years old are you saying that it has somehow lost its validity?

Of course it is a biased opinion. The Alberta Game and Fish have an interest in protecting hunting. If they don't they lose their jobs. Guys like you will still have an outlet for making money off of hunting. Game and fish will be out of work because there will be no one to buy licences. What happens to the wild life when there is no money to manage them?

You seem like an almost intelligent human being. I'm surprised you are having so much trouble understanding this.




Interesting. Some people have trouble comprehending the written word. I hope you can work through this message. I'm typing slowly so it shouldn't be difficult.

Better still just get someone to read it to you.

I am not,now, nor have I ever been a brain surgeon. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif I am an outfitter, and as has been pointed out here, I would prefer a full bottle in front of me to a full frontal lobotomy. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

However having said that, let me say this, after the time I spent in this thread trying to nail jello to the wall I wish I could perform brain surgery.

Please tell me how anyone at AFGA depends on licences for a paycheck? Can you even tell me if anyone there gets a paycheck? For what?

Does that 5 year old opinion, lose validity in todays world, unfortunately grasshopper it does.

Any idea what happened in May 2003 ?? Aha!!! I knew it. Hope this helps.


"The first case of mad cow disease confirmed in Canada was in 1993 in a cow imported from Britain. That was it until 2003, when BSE was identified in an Alberta cow. Since then, eight other cases have been identified, including the bull identified on Wednesday.

In 2006, five infected cattle were found in Canada, including a cow born years after safeguards were adopted to prevent the spread of the disease.

Humans who eat meat contaminated by mad cow disease appear to be at risk of contracting a form of the rare and deadly brain disease Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease.

Mad cow disease is linked to the deaths of about 150 people worldwide, most of them in Europe during an outbreak of the disease that peaked in 1993.

There have been three cases of mad cow disease reported in the United States. I'm beginning to think they are all three posting in this thread. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

The U.S. closed its borders to Canadian cattle exports when Canada reported a case of mad cow disease in May 2003.

I'm going to let you figure out the signifigance of this info from the Canadian Government, not some lobby group.

Some more info that you seem to have missed.

BSE does no come from Game Farms,however has and does have a huge impact on them.

High Fence hunting is NOT allowed in Alberta.

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As I said you have no clue. You don't even realize that the source of link is NOT the Fish and Wildlife Branch.

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My bad! But what difference does it make? The facts are still facts.





How dumb do you feel now? You dont even know where you are getting your info!! Man you got PETA all over you!!
 
Like I said you don't get it, never will /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Here's the quote from my post, don't start typing yet /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif wait! Wait!
Read a little farther

""In it I read where the Black Tailed Prairie dog only exits on 1 to 2% of it's historic range. If true, how can we as sportsman fight that. We shouldn't be hunting them. The resource should always come first. Would you have shot the last buffalo in Montana just because it was legal? We need to police our own ranks, in order to keep the politicians from doing it."

PLEASE, PLEASE post this in the Colordo thread. PLEEEEASE! C'mon PRETTY PLEEEEASE.

Your whole paragraph is there. Look again!! Can you see it now. It's all that printing above my request for you to post it in the Colorado thread.
WAIT!! don't type yet!!
I want you to post the WHOLE paragraph there, not the one line farther down. Nothing out of context, the whole paragraph.

Wait! not yet! I still have more.


"My bad! But what difference does it make? The facts are still facts. "

"My bad" /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
I didn't think you would know what difference it makes. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif still don't get it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

You are correct, facts are facts, but you don't have any, just unfounded blanket opinions.
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A little more science for you and it's from the Alberta Gov. page.
Alberta's winter disease control program removed 1,688 wild deer in the vicinity of Empress and Acadia Valley (where four wild deer were found with CWD in late 2005) as well as Chauvin (where infected deer continue to be found just over the Saskatchewan border). Alberta's first case of CWD in wild deer was found about 30 kilometres southeast of Oyen, near the Saskatchewan border. Subsequent cases are clustered along the South Saskatchewan (seven cases) and Red Deer (two cases) rivers within 10 kilometres of the border.
Again proof of what game farms are causing for your fellow Canadians to clean up. Lose of opportunity for sportsman will follow.

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High Fence hunting is NOT allowed in Alberta.



No, OH Master Baiter, but Saskatchewan does, and it doesn't change the fact that game farms are a threat to our sport, and to the resource. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
The part "If it's true" is key there. You aren't really reading everything your eyes see either. I actually posted last night the same question and I believe NASA, answered me back that this was propaganda by the group trying to stop prairie dog hunting. He actually explained it well and nothing more was said. Sorry for you. I didn't need 4100fps speed to get out of it. Not living in Colorado I wouldn't know. Your posturing your arrogance in your posts doesn't move promote your stance at all. For once answer my questions as fair as you can. Your credibility will be earned not perceived.
 
4100FPS, if you dispise high fences and everything that goes on with them then what are you doing about it? Anything?
 
Still don't get it! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Do you even know where Chauvin is? Or where I live?

Your info is still outdated. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif but let's go with it.

It shows that the Alberta gov't killed some deer looking for CWD. SO WHAT? Any idea how they killed them?????????
Why??? Before Game farms, how many deer were found with CWD?

Any idea where or when CWD started? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
 
Yep you posted late last night /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif and left out the part about stopping the hunt /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Oh well no guts no glory. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Wonder why it took so long for you to post the question. Wonder why you left out the good part? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif

What has living in Colorado got to do with any thing?Not living in Alberta didn't stop you from stepping in the bovine excrement. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
You still don't get it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

How would I know if lots of little prairie dogs with black tails were expanding there range, unless I lived there?
I've had game farms in my back yard so I can relate first hand the effects they bring with them and the threat to the sport of hunting.
You see Redfrog, this post was about the threat's to our sport, and easily becoming the propellant for those that wish us stopped. I believe that the biggest threat comes with-in by our actions, or lack of action. Every time I turn on the sportsman channel and see some doof hunting on a game farm I'm embarrassed for the people affiliated with it. The view the other 80% gets of us as hunters is tarnished each time. It's nothing more than a sham. Only Ted Nugent says's that his hunting on a high fence operation. The others are embarrassed themselves or they wouldn't try to pass it off as fair chase.

If in fact and science, it was proven that the Black Tailed prairie dog was down to 2% of it's range in Colorado, would you at that time demand a stop to the hunting of them? As a sportsman. Oops! Another question. Sorry I know your not answering any.
 
NONYA Your comment " Butcher is a big supporter of canned hunts with "airguns" on other sites,im sure hes just tying to stir the same pot here."

Do you know this for a fact that he is stirring something up? I don't think you do. The reason I say this is because I know him and have target shot with him talked with him. Heard about his Airgun hunts. He is my friend. I have not hunted with him as of yet, but we are planning to. Right now hunting hogs where he hunts is legal, ethical, and the hogs are wild hogs that are all over this country. To they live on a large ranch? Now different then an Outfitter who leases large areas of land to take his hunters. You walk far enough you will hit a fence in both areas. But the main thing with your comment is you don't know him. He is only allowed to hunt certain animals with his Airguns. Here in Oregon we don't have a large huntable Hog population. So he goes to a large hunting ranch for Hogs, so what. It's legal and just because it isn't your type of hunting doesn't mean it isn't hunting. Just like those that don't like hound hunting. Just because you do hunt that way, doesn't mean it isn't hunting.
I think you owe Butcher an apology for making claims that you know nothing about. Why you would even say such a thing without knowing him is beyond me. It looks to me that you appear to be one of these guys that thinks your hunting is the only "real hunting" there is. So the story he posted would fit you. Is that what you are saying? We all hunt and we all have our own Ideas on what is hunting. As long as it is legal then who cares. Thousands of hunters hunt ranches and thousands hunt public land. Thousands hunt with guides and thousands without. Thousands hunt with hounds and thousands don't. We must support all hunting and quit calling those that hunt differently then you do names and making false statement about them. Butcher is a good man and he is legal and ethical in his hunting. And I think if you met him you would say the same. Rupe
 
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Still don't get it! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Do you even know where Chauvin is? Or where I live?

Your info is still outdated. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif but let's go with it.

It shows that the Alberta gov't killed some deer looking for CWD. SO WHAT? Any idea how they killed them?????????
Why??? Before Game farms, how many deer were found with CWD?

Any idea where or when CWD started? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif




4100fps did you miss this or just realize that you don't even understand what you are saying. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
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