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called everything but the red and the coyote near the beaver dams at Red house lake. The coyote and the red were called on a dairy farm where all the groundhogs were.
Here's the secret george everything at Red house lake will come right up and eat out of your hand! They are almost urbanized from the constant tourist traffic. So now who don't know what there talking about. You see I just gave a you a bit of info and you chose to blow it all out of proportion. Do your home work and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Jeeze george, I'm starting to think your calling me a liar or something.
 
good try glenn on the damage control,,
but please dont think you can talk your self out of this

and as far as
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I'm starting to think your calling me a liar or something



you dont need to think pal /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif

this is getting personle so i am done pal.

you can PM me or e-mail if you have anything ells to say
 
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doggin just a question nothing more how many do you catch a year or how many do you feel is a decent number?


Hi Ben,
I've never attempted the trapping game so I personally don't catch any at all.
What do I feel is decent numbers?? I really don't know. BUT, years ago, when trapping was still legal here (Colorado) and the hides were worth some decent money, I knew trappers who were catching several HUNDRED per year. I do know that any trapper worth a hoot, trapping in an area where there are good numbers of coyotes will certainly catch more than 20 a year.
Take care.
 
most guy do it i think as a sport not for the money here,, there is no motivation such as a bounty ,
and i don't know lots of trapper only talked about the one i know
 
This thread is getting real old, real fast. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif


My motto is: Even if you do win an internet fight, you still look retarded in the end. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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the way they find out how many of what animal is killed per year is they send out a survey. I have recieved two over the last three years. it has on there about if you call em or trap em. how many you called how many trapped where bouts you hunted em. then the average em out. I will try to get in touch with the head of the pgc and find out. but like george has stated there are alot of coyotes trapped. I would have to say out of 10 maybe one was killed being called. over the north western part of the state they have been runnin dogs for em. supposedly that makes em weary. I do not know the area I hunt does not have hound hunters hunting them. I know in my area there are only a handful killed by calling. most of them are killed while deer hunting.



I've received 3 surveys the last 5 years. Supposedly they are sent to us predator hunters at random. I truly believe, as per what Ben says, that most yotes are trapped here, but I know for a fact in our area of the state more and more coyote sightings are being reported, not only to me by landowners whose property I have the ok to hunt on, but accounts in newspapers, by private individuals, etc. They are gaining ground around here, which makes me real happy. I've been here for 22 years, Jersey transplant, and I've been hearing them now for about the last 5-6 years, whereas before I never heard or saw any. I also believe there are more trappers in the middle and western part of the state because of better property advantage. too many darn housing complexes being built around here these days, many farms disappearing.

You guys in Texas have a ton of acreage to hunt compared to here, I was just bragging to a buddy that I have over 3,000 acres to fart around in within 15 miles of here, and then I hear the likes of guys like you folks down in Tx. that have permission of over 500K or more. WOW!

Anyway, we all do what we can do, and enjoy ourselves with this challenging sport. I'm hooked, glad you guys are too.

Best of Luck,

John
 
George is correct on pressure, especially when coyote density is low.

Biggest challenge a caller faces in Massachusetts ( mornings drive from Pa) are baiters and newbies.

Baiting is efficient and legal here, but certainly no fun, and to me has always been the easy way to a coyote ......... if its all you want. Baiters ....... give callin a chance. After your first call-in, I'm sure you will abandon those piles. If not, like I said its legal, have at it /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif

Couple newbies with a ecaller, can educate lots of animals. That has always been the hardest part about callin'. But how else you gonna learn ..... gotta start somewhere. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif

Trappers take many coyotes. Deer hunters shoot on sight in the Northeast.

I will call and kill a few, but with everyone and their brother out "worrying" coyotes, it gets harder callin each year.

Easterners, (especially Northeastern callers), better hunt early, and hunt hard if you wanna get lots of action. Kill your animals before they all get wise or dead.

Better capitalize on all your call-ins, as you just won't have many ....... Don't try to "draw dogs out" into the open, hunt the forest. Use as many treestands as humanly possible.

I will lay most of my animals down before Christmas. After that, the already low Eastern densities are much lower.

I recommend night hunting after Christmas to get consistant action on coyotes.

Or get a ticket to Texas /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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then I hear the likes of guys like you folks down in Tx. that have permission of over 500K or more. WOW!




Again this is a stereotype that is not accurate.

There might be one hunter in 20,000 in Texas that has access to 500k acres if that.

Most only have access to what they pay to hunt in the form of a lease. Even if you are on a 2,000 acre lease (or bigger) you generally do not have full run of the place. You have to hunt your area, as other people have assigned areas. It all depends on the lease and the club rules.

Look back at the map of the average landowner size in Texas.
 
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then I hear the likes of guys like you folks down in Tx. that have permission of over 500K or more. WOW!




Again this is a stereotype that is not accurate.

There might be one hunter in 20,000 in Texas that has access to 500k acres if that.

Most only have access to what they pay to hunt in the form of a lease. Even if you are on a 2,000 acre lease (or bigger) you generally do not have full run of the place. You have to hunt your area, as other people have assigned areas. It all depends on the lease and the club rules.

Look back at the map of the average landowner size in Texas.



YH,

Interesting, I just assumed that a lot of predator hunters, especially the hard core guys, had access to lots of places just because of sheer size....

Regards,

John
 
the biggest place I'm able to hunt locally is about 1,800 acres.
In my area which is N. Central Texas that is about the biggest place you will find. The majority being 100-500 acres. The smallest place I call being 25 acres.
East Texas is worse the places are much smaller. Now if you travel to the pan handle or far West Texas places are huge 10,000 is nothing to most. For me that is a 3 to 10 hour drive. Somehting that don't happen more than 1 or 2 times every couple of years.
The other obstacle is gaining access to the places to hunt. Nearly everything is leased to high paying deer hunters that don't hunt predators and don't understand that some one else hunting them doesn't scare their deer away {most generally think they now own the place}. Where I live I have been able to gain acces to quite a few smaller places, but it had taken me 28 years to do it. Treating the landowner right has helped. I close gates, pick up my trash, help them with fences if they need it and keep my eye open for things they may need to be made aware of. In turn they tell others and when there is a problem with hogs or coyotes the others call asking for help. I tell them up front that I can eliminate a few but that I can't and kill them all. Never had an unsatisfied customer and made lots of long lasting relationships.
I faced the deer lease problem {locally anyway} by telling all landowners to reserve the right to control hogs and predators how they see fit, this gaines access to leased land except during deer season which is 3 months long.
I'm going in to detail here to hopefully help others no matter what state your in gain access to land.
hope this helps
 
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just to add some info. a buddy of mine who knows a good many trappers in the state said that the good trappers take between 15-30 each year. he says there are some that do better and some that do less but that is the norm. I consider this solid information. he has trapped all over the united states and knows a good many of the trappers in this state and others. hopefully the game commision biologist emails me back and then I can post them results.
 
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the biggest place I'm able to hunt locally is about 1,800 acres.
In my area which is N. Central Texas that is about the biggest place you will find. The majority being 100-500 acres. The smallest place I call being 25 acres.
East Texas is worse the places are much smaller. Now if you travel to the pan handle or far West Texas places are huge 10,000 is nothing to most. For me that is a 3 to 10 hour drive. Somehting that don't happen more than 1 or 2 times every couple of years.
The other obstacle is gaining access to the places to hunt. Nearly everything is leased to high paying deer hunters that don't hunt predators and don't understand that some one else hunting them doesn't scare their deer away {most generally think they now own the place}. Where I live I have been able to gain acces to quite a few smaller places, but it had taken me 28 years to do it. Treating the landowner right has helped. I close gates, pick up my trash, help them with fences if they need it and keep my eye open for things they may need to be made aware of. In turn they tell others and when there is a problem with hogs or coyotes the others call asking for help. I tell them up front that I can eliminate a few but that I can't and kill them all. Never had an unsatisfied customer and made lots of long lasting relationships.
I faced the deer lease problem {locally anyway} by telling all landowners to reserve the right to control hogs and predators how they see fit, this gaines access to leased land except during deer season which is 3 months long.
I'm going in to detail here to hopefully help others no matter what state your in gain access to land.
hope this helps



Guess,

Good information, thanks, I didn't realize about the leases for deer hunting down there, etc......I would have to think that, keeping with the lead topic here, that as more folks become aware of the fun and challenges predator hunting can bring, hunting pressure will increase no matter where you go. Obviously, the bigger areas/land may not be as affected at first because of the sheer size, but around these parts where we don't have tons of land, we'll just have to get smarter and hunt with a few more tricks in the bag............

Regards,

John
 
What I generally do on places I share with other predator hunters is pattern the hunter. Do just the opposite may work there as well.

Most here hunt late nights or early mornings and with the current howling trend they howl a lot and use rabbit distress. On those places I hunt mid day especially in the hottest part of the day near water. I use fawn distress and puppy whines, it works great.
 
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the way they find out how many of what animal is killed per year is they send out a survey. I have recieved two over the last three years.



I've been hunting in PA for 36 years and never saw one of these surveys. George Ackley makes alot of sense to the PA guys because we live here and know what's going on. All the Texicans just sound dumber and dumber and lose credibility with PA hunters when they compare Texas to PA. Don't come here and give a seminar or hunt for a week and think you can compare the two. Please...spare us, ----

Edited by GC. Refer to my post above, keep it clean and non-insulting.
 
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just because you have never recieved one does not mean they do not exist bill. UB has recieved em also pm him and see what he says.
 
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What I generally do on places I share with other predator hunters is pattern the hunter. Do just the opposite may work there as well.

Most here hunt late nights or early mornings and with the current howling trend they howl a lot and use rabbit distress. On those places I hunt mid day especially in the hottest part of the day near water. I use fawn distress and puppy whines, it works great.



Guess,

I hunt early and also at dusk into the night here. Midday for the private areas I have never seemed to pan out. Midday, at least in my experience is not such a good time in some of the local state gameland areas. Folks are hiking, walking their dogs, and other sorts of activities, so I'll go to those places pretty much at dusk and wait till everyone clears off.

I would think that the "non-hunting" pressure of lots of people running around just doing their thing on state gamelands would keep the doggies away until they felt a bit more secure while they're looking for a meal. As an aside, the times I've gotten out of my vehicle on state lands with my gear and a firearm has caused folks to head out a little sooner after I've mentioned I'm going out to hunt. Believe me, they ALWAYS ask what I'm doing there......almost like they only think deer hunters use the state lands, and that no other type of hunters exist......not used to seeing anyone else beginning their hunting at dusk or dark.....

In regard to the surveys previously mentioned, I think they are sent to predator hunters that have a furtaker license. We are allowed to kill coyotes here with just the general license you get every year, so it is possible that many coyote hunters do not have a furtaker tag.....

Regards,

John
 
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I you say you got one, then I do believe they send them out but
I have never got one, also I been asking around and I cant find anyone that's received one ether..

even if they do send them out and get them back it tells us nothing.....
you cant count coyotes,, you can only take a guess educated or not .

 
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Hey guys I started hunting coyotes and buying furtakers license since 1999 and I got two surveys total since then. I only ever got the one big yote in my avatar but I killed a bunch of red fox and logged them on the surveys I sent back. I guess they just send them out at random, not to every person every year.???dunno /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
 
The surveys are sent out at random, and if you were sent one, and never sent it back, most times you will not recieve another... We do not have even close to the numbers of our western states, and there are areas of high and low populations within the state, the same as texas, and any other state. I get to travel within the state quite a bit and have been in some very good and very bad areas..... several years ago, we lost many of our grey fox, so we focused our time and efforts on coyotes. This past year, we had a fait amount of coyotes in my area, and we spent very little time hunting them this year... we still took some... but still didn't hunt them as often as normal.

I think Pa has a decent population, but hopefully it will continue to grow. our coyotes as mentioned above are pressured in many areas many months of the year... but I also have no reason to doubt a caller like Glenn saying he could come here and spend time calling and call a bobcat, coyote and red/grey fox in two weeks..... it can be done.... rather easily as a matter of fact... if you know your areas...
 
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