Hey Byron, what eastern states did you hunt in "Calling in the East"?
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GEORGE ACKLEY
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GEORGE ACKLEY
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I guess jay
If Someone has not hunted here then all he can do is wonder right/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
As for trappers here and how they do it I would have nothing to say because I don't know any trappers and I don't trap.
SO I wouldn't wont to wonder on something I know nothing about. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
as for deer same deer different habitats , and I find hunting deer here much easier then a lot of places I hunt deer, And I have done it in many state.
And I would have to say there are a lot of deer here. And going back to the stats PA
Gives us all the opportunities to harvest a deer
If Someone has not hunted here then all he can do is wonder right/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
As for trappers here and how they do it I would have nothing to say because I don't know any trappers and I don't trap.
SO I wouldn't wont to wonder on something I know nothing about. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
as for deer same deer different habitats , and I find hunting deer here much easier then a lot of places I hunt deer, And I have done it in many state.
And I would have to say there are a lot of deer here. And going back to the stats PA
Gives us all the opportunities to harvest a deer
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Jimmie in Ky
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There must be Jay, most of 'em I run into don't ever follow your rules. Most of them run like hell and never stop /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Jimmie
GEORGE ACKLEY
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Some of you PA boys may be a little angry by now thinking I am making light of your situation. Take a deep breath and step away from the keyboard and think for a moment. What is the one thing that Eastern Coyotes have that Western coyotes do not?
Jay the more we talk about this the more I feel insulted.
And sorry but that how I am seeing it.
You say things in a way that you think you not being argent but pal that how I am seeing it .And I hope that’s not your intention .
To tell you all the truth and this is for you to Jimmie ky with all the techniques and studys.
I have been told 1 time were my place is on this board so I will just end it this way
So I get in no truble.
so using our Eastern rationale let me say.
you all have a Open invitation to COME ON UP and let are coyotes humble ya .
I and I have already and do hunt out west so at the least I can talk what I know as fact not WOUNDER anything
and to you question jay
Well jay that easy to answer,
And it something I thought you would know with a video and all.
Now take that deep breath you told us to take ,
1, we don’t have the numbers
2, why because we don’t have the area
3, we do have big Rivers
4, and thank god we don’t have Jimmie from ky whith all he techniques and studing they all be dead .
Peace
George
Some of you PA boys may be a little angry by now thinking I am making light of your situation. Take a deep breath and step away from the keyboard and think for a moment. What is the one thing that Eastern Coyotes have that Western coyotes do not?
Jay the more we talk about this the more I feel insulted.
And sorry but that how I am seeing it.
You say things in a way that you think you not being argent but pal that how I am seeing it .And I hope that’s not your intention .
To tell you all the truth and this is for you to Jimmie ky with all the techniques and studys.
I have been told 1 time were my place is on this board so I will just end it this way
So I get in no truble.
so using our Eastern rationale let me say.
you all have a Open invitation to COME ON UP and let are coyotes humble ya .
I and I have already and do hunt out west so at the least I can talk what I know as fact not WOUNDER anything
and to you question jay
Well jay that easy to answer,
And it something I thought you would know with a video and all.
Now take that deep breath you told us to take ,
1, we don’t have the numbers
2, why because we don’t have the area
3, we do have big Rivers
4, and thank god we don’t have Jimmie from ky whith all he techniques and studing they all be dead .
Peace
George
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Jay Nistetter
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Don’t apologize George, "pal". I pretty much insult everyone so you're not alone. I just find it highly amusing how grown men get their feelings hurt. My attempt at humor fails even with my wife, but I attribute that to the fact that she’s an Easterner.
If my style don't work for you, don't use it. Admittedly, I have never hunted coyotes east of the Mississippi. I don't profess to know everything and quite frankly get a little tired of the whole East vs. West, North and South crap.
Now iffin’ I did call up a coyote in Vermont and had him peeking through the timber and I knew he was there and if he just turned and left, I’d say to myself… Hmmm. What’d I do wrong? That happens to me even out in Arizona. Arizona, by-the-way, has forested mountains and stuff so thick the critters have to travel through tunnels in the foliage. We don’t have ticks to much and no chiggers, but everything has thorns or stickers on it.
I appreciate the invite greatly and may some day give it a shot. I have many humbling days out here in Arizona and when I do travel to other parts of the country and am the guest of somebody else; I never attempt to tell them how to hunt in their backyard. I go with the flow and if asked what I would do or how I would approach any given situation, I would try to give an honest answer but have never and will never be so bold as to profess that I could call up any coyote anywhere. That's not only foolish, it's just plain stupid. Shooting over 4 digits worth of coyotes over the years don’t make me an expert in Africa and certainly not even in PA. I’m not one to tell you how to play your game.
I’ve had fellas from back east come out here to do their coyote thing and I’ve had days where I busted my butt trying to get them one so it ain’t always roses out west either. It’s kinda like golf. You really suck at it and pay lots of money for green fees and equipment but it’s that one beautiful shot you made on the 6th hole that keeps you going back.
Yep. I made a video and if you got to see it, it dealt more with what to do AFTER you had a coyote coming in so you don’t end up with a lost opportunity. I've seen too many "seasoned hunters" start movin' to shoot once they see fur. I try to teach people to watch what the coyotes are doing and wait for a better shot. I can't pull the trigger for them and that getting the coyote into position for the best odds shot is what everyone can stand to learn. How much time lapses from the time a coyote is spotted until the shot is fired. In most cases it is seconds. That's what I try to teach NOT TO DO. Even if you don't shoot at a coyote and pass on a shot, it is MUCH easier to call him a second time. There was other stuff thrown in too but I can guarantee that any seasoned caller would pause the video in amazement because he just heard put into words exactly what he had been seeing all these years. By doing so, any hunter cannot help but to become more aware of what is transpiring and your awareness factor will be greatly enhanced. To be blunt… If I tell you what you are seeing, you will be more focused and your success rate will increase.
Coyotes act different around trucks in Kansas than they do in Arizona. Coyotes act different in West Texas than they do in East Texas. Coyotes act different around towns than they do in remote areas. Just tell me where East begins?
If everything you've been trying don't work, don't do it. But Doctor! It hurts when I laugh. Don’t laugh then.
It's just a coyote George. Don't let 'em get to you and more importantly, don’t let me get to you. The put-yer-money-where-yer-mouth-is challenge don’t hold water with me. If you ain't good at hunting them where you live, either go some place else to hunt them or take up knitting. Don't be so foolish as to think anyone can tell you the one, true, magical thing to do to make you successful. That’s the pie in the sky dream that inspired “The Devil and Daniel Webster”. I know guys that have hard times catching mice.
You must have heard of somebody calling in a coyote with a mouth call or electronic call somewhere in PA so you know it does work. Does it work all the time? Hell it don't even work all the time out in Arizona.
I'm sure you call in many more coyotes than you realize.
I go where the numbers are. My odds are greatly improved. I don't go to Maine to hunt Cape buffalo and I don't keep dropping quarters in a slot machine if it don't ever pay out. I try to go where I have better odds.
There's a 25% hunter success rate on deer in Arizona. What is it in your part of the country? Does that make the western deer smarter? In essence that's the same logic you apply about Eastern Coyotes. Using your logic even further, I could safely assume that an Eastern deer hunter stuck in the wilds of Arizona could not provide "picture". Let's see the pictures pal. Sounds absurd when put in a different perspective.
You're absolutely right in saying that it's a numbers game, George.
So are you still insulted? Just so ya know the comment I made earlier about inbreeding had nothing to do with coyotes. Bad Joke. I know.
If my style don't work for you, don't use it. Admittedly, I have never hunted coyotes east of the Mississippi. I don't profess to know everything and quite frankly get a little tired of the whole East vs. West, North and South crap.
Now iffin’ I did call up a coyote in Vermont and had him peeking through the timber and I knew he was there and if he just turned and left, I’d say to myself… Hmmm. What’d I do wrong? That happens to me even out in Arizona. Arizona, by-the-way, has forested mountains and stuff so thick the critters have to travel through tunnels in the foliage. We don’t have ticks to much and no chiggers, but everything has thorns or stickers on it.
I appreciate the invite greatly and may some day give it a shot. I have many humbling days out here in Arizona and when I do travel to other parts of the country and am the guest of somebody else; I never attempt to tell them how to hunt in their backyard. I go with the flow and if asked what I would do or how I would approach any given situation, I would try to give an honest answer but have never and will never be so bold as to profess that I could call up any coyote anywhere. That's not only foolish, it's just plain stupid. Shooting over 4 digits worth of coyotes over the years don’t make me an expert in Africa and certainly not even in PA. I’m not one to tell you how to play your game.
I’ve had fellas from back east come out here to do their coyote thing and I’ve had days where I busted my butt trying to get them one so it ain’t always roses out west either. It’s kinda like golf. You really suck at it and pay lots of money for green fees and equipment but it’s that one beautiful shot you made on the 6th hole that keeps you going back.
Yep. I made a video and if you got to see it, it dealt more with what to do AFTER you had a coyote coming in so you don’t end up with a lost opportunity. I've seen too many "seasoned hunters" start movin' to shoot once they see fur. I try to teach people to watch what the coyotes are doing and wait for a better shot. I can't pull the trigger for them and that getting the coyote into position for the best odds shot is what everyone can stand to learn. How much time lapses from the time a coyote is spotted until the shot is fired. In most cases it is seconds. That's what I try to teach NOT TO DO. Even if you don't shoot at a coyote and pass on a shot, it is MUCH easier to call him a second time. There was other stuff thrown in too but I can guarantee that any seasoned caller would pause the video in amazement because he just heard put into words exactly what he had been seeing all these years. By doing so, any hunter cannot help but to become more aware of what is transpiring and your awareness factor will be greatly enhanced. To be blunt… If I tell you what you are seeing, you will be more focused and your success rate will increase.
Coyotes act different around trucks in Kansas than they do in Arizona. Coyotes act different in West Texas than they do in East Texas. Coyotes act different around towns than they do in remote areas. Just tell me where East begins?
If everything you've been trying don't work, don't do it. But Doctor! It hurts when I laugh. Don’t laugh then.
It's just a coyote George. Don't let 'em get to you and more importantly, don’t let me get to you. The put-yer-money-where-yer-mouth-is challenge don’t hold water with me. If you ain't good at hunting them where you live, either go some place else to hunt them or take up knitting. Don't be so foolish as to think anyone can tell you the one, true, magical thing to do to make you successful. That’s the pie in the sky dream that inspired “The Devil and Daniel Webster”. I know guys that have hard times catching mice.
You must have heard of somebody calling in a coyote with a mouth call or electronic call somewhere in PA so you know it does work. Does it work all the time? Hell it don't even work all the time out in Arizona.
I'm sure you call in many more coyotes than you realize.
I go where the numbers are. My odds are greatly improved. I don't go to Maine to hunt Cape buffalo and I don't keep dropping quarters in a slot machine if it don't ever pay out. I try to go where I have better odds.
There's a 25% hunter success rate on deer in Arizona. What is it in your part of the country? Does that make the western deer smarter? In essence that's the same logic you apply about Eastern Coyotes. Using your logic even further, I could safely assume that an Eastern deer hunter stuck in the wilds of Arizona could not provide "picture". Let's see the pictures pal. Sounds absurd when put in a different perspective.
You're absolutely right in saying that it's a numbers game, George.
So are you still insulted? Just so ya know the comment I made earlier about inbreeding had nothing to do with coyotes. Bad Joke. I know.
Jay Nistetter
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Jimmie.
Does that mean you want a refund?
Does that mean you want a refund?
Jimmie in Ky
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Heck no Jay. I liked that little jig of yours . That alone is worth the price of admission. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
And George, It took me four years to put all of that together back then.Two years before I took my first. Most would have quit long before.I know the frustration you are feeling.I worked at it each and every weekend I had all day long.I only took time out for deer season and went right back at it as soon as the freezer was full.I was very fortunate to be able to spend that kind of time in my search.
It's strange to live in an area where taking deer is like swating flies in a horse barn and trying to take coyote's on a regular basis can drive ya right out of your tree.Add to it that everywhere you look should be good habitat for coyote's to bed up or feed. Like I said , calling is the easy part, locating them is a real pain in the butt!Jimmie
And George, It took me four years to put all of that together back then.Two years before I took my first. Most would have quit long before.I know the frustration you are feeling.I worked at it each and every weekend I had all day long.I only took time out for deer season and went right back at it as soon as the freezer was full.I was very fortunate to be able to spend that kind of time in my search.
It's strange to live in an area where taking deer is like swating flies in a horse barn and trying to take coyote's on a regular basis can drive ya right out of your tree.Add to it that everywhere you look should be good habitat for coyote's to bed up or feed. Like I said , calling is the easy part, locating them is a real pain in the butt!Jimmie
Jimmie,
Yep, I'm very familiar with their travel areas & where they typically bed. I've called into, head-winds, cross, upwind & downwind many times. From the few I've called in. I've had one of those coyotes, come from each direction. Generally, I'll stalk out as quietly as possible & set-up around a 1/4 mile or so into a mile sq. section. I don't focus so much on looking for sign. Because I know where they consistantly lay, from my spotting expereince.
G.C,
I have reviewed all the "sticky's". I'm familiar with those opinion's. Very good info, by the way. One of the threads, I enjoyed the most. Was how far they can scent you & your "scent-cone".
I'm of the opinion, that they[canine's] can smell/scent in [ppm] @ the minimum, perhaps...ppb. Also when conditions are just right. IMO, they can scent you for hundreds of yrds. The human body is constantly, shedding old skin cells & hair. Not to mention sweat-gland vapors.
A few yrs back my wife developed CA. Our German Shepherd, one evening went right to the spot on her body, where this cancer was lurking. He put his nose right over it. Et paused, steady w/o moving for around a minute. Shortly thereafter, she discovered she had cancer, through testing.
He did it again a couple of yrs later, on her other side. Cancer, again. In England, there is a study program, using domestic dogs. That can do this very thing, as well as pre-detect an on-coming seizure in humans. Needless, to say. I've never underestimated the abilities of a canine, domestic or wild.
Byron,
Good luck on your films & sales. Seen one of'em & enjoyed it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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I'll keep after them, until I can't walk anymore. Then perhaps, go to "rolling" or "dragging" my carcass, into the field on a little skid/sled, using ice-recue picks...eh /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif.
Good discussion guys, enjoyed it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Yep, I'm very familiar with their travel areas & where they typically bed. I've called into, head-winds, cross, upwind & downwind many times. From the few I've called in. I've had one of those coyotes, come from each direction. Generally, I'll stalk out as quietly as possible & set-up around a 1/4 mile or so into a mile sq. section. I don't focus so much on looking for sign. Because I know where they consistantly lay, from my spotting expereince.
G.C,
I have reviewed all the "sticky's". I'm familiar with those opinion's. Very good info, by the way. One of the threads, I enjoyed the most. Was how far they can scent you & your "scent-cone".
I'm of the opinion, that they[canine's] can smell/scent in [ppm] @ the minimum, perhaps...ppb. Also when conditions are just right. IMO, they can scent you for hundreds of yrds. The human body is constantly, shedding old skin cells & hair. Not to mention sweat-gland vapors.
A few yrs back my wife developed CA. Our German Shepherd, one evening went right to the spot on her body, where this cancer was lurking. He put his nose right over it. Et paused, steady w/o moving for around a minute. Shortly thereafter, she discovered she had cancer, through testing.
He did it again a couple of yrs later, on her other side. Cancer, again. In England, there is a study program, using domestic dogs. That can do this very thing, as well as pre-detect an on-coming seizure
Byron,
Good luck on your films & sales. Seen one of'em & enjoyed it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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I'll keep after them, until I can't walk anymore. Then perhaps, go to "rolling" or "dragging" my carcass, into the field on a little skid/sled, using ice-recue picks...eh /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif.
Good discussion guys, enjoyed it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Christopher
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I sell real estate in the "East". How dare anyone from the "West" come into my ballihoo and try to teach me their tactics on how to better represent my clients and make a better living in the process. The audaciousness of those high minded individuals to actually believe that the very techniques and stratigies that has propelled them to become top producers in their market could/would have any bearing in my quaint little hamlet. I suppose that I only spend my filthy luker and time attending these charlatan's seminars is because I enjoy the entertainment value. At least it is more comfortable that chasing a coyote that just won't respond.?.
Byron, I hope your endevour is very successful and that you make a ton of $$$$ from your efforts and knowledge shared. Hopefully your audience will be grateful for time and effort you have poured into this for their benefit. Cheers.
Byron, I hope your endevour is very successful and that you make a ton of $$$$ from your efforts and knowledge shared. Hopefully your audience will be grateful for time and effort you have poured into this for their benefit. Cheers.
Curt Barrett
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Couple observations.
Hern, you obviously don't know Byron. Money isn't as important to him as you would like us to believe. He puts a lot of time and effort into making his calling videos. Monetary gain isn't nearly as much of a motivating factor as just plain love of the sport. Last I heard he had no plans to quit his day job. More power to him if he does make some $$$. It's a lot of work and he earned it.
George, I can assure you that one thing Jay is not, is arrogant. You would be hard pressed to find a more likable, down to earth fella. I didn't detect a hint of arrogance in any of his posts. I saw a guy trying to lighten the mood a bit with some humor.
The East/ West debate is always amusing. Silly, but very amusing. I mean come on. Is it that hard to crack the code as to why calling a lot of Eastern US states is more difficult than calling most Western states? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
That being said I really have to agree with Jays comment "Where does the East begin" because even though typically most Eastern calling will be more difficult than out West, (for very, very, obvious reasons) any Western caller can take you to spots so difficult to call it would make most Eastern callers click his heels 3 times and wish he was home. Calling can be difficult and frustrating anywhere and is not reserved for the East. I can take you to spots around here where I could promise with 100% certainty that coyotes would be called and taken. Then we could hop in the truck and drive 5-10 miles and stop at another place where regardless of how good a caller you think you are, chances are close to 100% you won't be successful. It doesn't matter whether you go East, West, North, or South. You can find these conditions most anywhere. There are only a few things that affect calling success. A lack of success isn't that tough to figure out. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
Byron, looking forward to seeing the new vid...wherever you film it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
Good hunting
Hern, you obviously don't know Byron. Money isn't as important to him as you would like us to believe. He puts a lot of time and effort into making his calling videos. Monetary gain isn't nearly as much of a motivating factor as just plain love of the sport. Last I heard he had no plans to quit his day job. More power to him if he does make some $$$. It's a lot of work and he earned it.
George, I can assure you that one thing Jay is not, is arrogant. You would be hard pressed to find a more likable, down to earth fella. I didn't detect a hint of arrogance in any of his posts. I saw a guy trying to lighten the mood a bit with some humor.
The East/ West debate is always amusing. Silly, but very amusing. I mean come on. Is it that hard to crack the code as to why calling a lot of Eastern US states is more difficult than calling most Western states? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
That being said I really have to agree with Jays comment "Where does the East begin" because even though typically most Eastern calling will be more difficult than out West, (for very, very, obvious reasons) any Western caller can take you to spots so difficult to call it would make most Eastern callers click his heels 3 times and wish he was home. Calling can be difficult and frustrating anywhere and is not reserved for the East. I can take you to spots around here where I could promise with 100% certainty that coyotes would be called and taken. Then we could hop in the truck and drive 5-10 miles and stop at another place where regardless of how good a caller you think you are, chances are close to 100% you won't be successful. It doesn't matter whether you go East, West, North, or South. You can find these conditions most anywhere. There are only a few things that affect calling success. A lack of success isn't that tough to figure out. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
Byron, looking forward to seeing the new vid...wherever you film it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
Good hunting
Jay Nistetter
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By the way. Sheri Baity called me up and asked me not to bring her into this mess.
I promised I wouldn’t so just forget I mentioned it.
Thanks Curt. Check's in the mail.
On thing I'd like to mention again concerns videos. All of you blood thirsty people out there who like to see coyote footage with the pop-flop climax have absolutely no idea the trouble it is to get that entertainment footage to your doorstep. First of all, the caller has to violate almost every rule of coyote hunting there is. Think about that. Fellas like South, Woodall, Thomason, Zepp, Blair, Stewart, Scary, Anderson, Johnson, Buker, Fred Cronk, Watson, Bomba, O'Henry and even old Martz are violating all the rules so you can watch and learn. And that's only some of the people. It's what they forgot to say that's most important. Violating ALL the rules and they still get coyotes. Hmmm. Wonder why that is? I'll tell you up front that it's not because they are smarter than anyone else. It's because they spend more time paying attention and countless hours out in the field doing whatever it is they do. They stick to the basic and practice sound fundamentals. Most of all, they have patience and an extra chromosome that science is only beginning to study.
Spent the morning putting Chevy parts on my Dodge so it would run like a Ford. Only way I can get to the store to buy more beer. Y'all behave.
I promised I wouldn’t so just forget I mentioned it.
Thanks Curt. Check's in the mail.
On thing I'd like to mention again concerns videos. All of you blood thirsty people out there who like to see coyote footage with the pop-flop climax have absolutely no idea the trouble it is to get that entertainment footage to your doorstep. First of all, the caller has to violate almost every rule of coyote hunting there is. Think about that. Fellas like South, Woodall, Thomason, Zepp, Blair, Stewart, Scary, Anderson, Johnson, Buker, Fred Cronk, Watson, Bomba, O'Henry and even old Martz are violating all the rules so you can watch and learn. And that's only some of the people. It's what they forgot to say that's most important. Violating ALL the rules and they still get coyotes. Hmmm. Wonder why that is? I'll tell you up front that it's not because they are smarter than anyone else. It's because they spend more time paying attention and countless hours out in the field doing whatever it is they do. They stick to the basic and practice sound fundamentals. Most of all, they have patience and an extra chromosome that science is only beginning to study.
Spent the morning putting Chevy parts on my Dodge so it would run like a Ford. Only way I can get to the store to buy more beer. Y'all behave.
Jay Nistetter
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White Paper on:
“Relative Education of Wildlife and Proximity to Human Development”, 1991
Presented by:
Professor Eugene Higginbotham (Ph.D. in Biology - Dartmouth)
Dr. Suzan Nami (Ph.D. in Social Behavior - Berkeley)
One small segment of their study discussed coyotes and their adaptability to surrounding environments. They developed a chart to equate education by various US Regions.
“Relative Education of Wildlife and Proximity to Human Development”, 1991
Presented by:
Professor Eugene Higginbotham (Ph.D. in Biology - Dartmouth)
Dr. Suzan Nami (Ph.D. in Social Behavior - Berkeley)
One small segment of their study discussed coyotes and their adaptability to surrounding environments. They developed a chart to equate education by various US Regions.
Jimmie in Ky
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Greenside, I think you have noticed a particular pattern to this madness. that comment about laying just anywhere is a bit misleading to the beginer. Are they still the southern facing slopes and what cover is present if any?
Not taking a jab at ya just trying to help these guys learn and understand a bit better. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif Jimmie
Not taking a jab at ya just trying to help these guys learn and understand a bit better. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif Jimmie
Curt Barrett
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ROFLMAO!!!!! Jay, I haven't laughed that hard in a long time! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif