How far does the coyote run after a heart/lung?
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BillyTheKidd
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I've lung and heart shot coyote with all kinds of calibers over the years, seen em run 30-40-50 yards and seen em fall dead on the spot.
I would like to say, anyone other then a child wouldn't use a BB gun for coyotes, coyotes deserve a little more respect then that. But I won't say that, I don't want to hurt some kids feelings.
I would like to say, anyone other then a child wouldn't use a BB gun for coyotes, coyotes deserve a little more respect then that. But I won't say that, I don't want to hurt some kids feelings.
BUTCHER45
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He was advocating using some piddly .22 adult airguns, which are more powerful than a "BB gun" but still ridiculously under-powered for a coyote.
Now there are a few adult airguns of larger caliber (like the one in my slideshow) that I think will do the job within bow ranges, but he wasn't referring to those guns, or even those ranges for that matter.
Pretty sure he is a child, that needs more than his feeling's hurt. He needs a daddy to give him a spankin'!
Now there are a few adult airguns of larger caliber (like the one in my slideshow) that I think will do the job within bow ranges, but he wasn't referring to those guns, or even those ranges for that matter.
Pretty sure he is a child, that needs more than his feeling's hurt. He needs a daddy to give him a spankin'!
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quarterbored
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Was just talking to a buddy on the phone... he reminded me of a coyote we shot one day with my 6mm Rem. Range was a little over 200 yards... bullet was an 87 grain V-Max. I hammered that dog right behind the shoulder... it went down hard, then got up, spun once, and it was off to the races. I couldn't believe it... that dog made it about 80 yards... with a pulverized lung hanging out of a baseball size exit hole... anyone who thinks coyotes aren't tough... hasn't shot very many!
rockinbbar
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I've had some run with even a .243, shot through & through behind the shoulder.
I get quite a few runners & spinners with a .223. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Learning to take a bit more time & have a more anchoring kill by shooting them through the neck.
A headshot will achor them, but, it's messy & I don't really care for the mess too much on headshot yotes.
If anyone tells you that ANYTHING will put them down right there, everytime.....Well, it's probably the same guy that shoots 1/2" groups "All day long".... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Barry
I get quite a few runners & spinners with a .223. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Learning to take a bit more time & have a more anchoring kill by shooting them through the neck.
A headshot will achor them, but, it's messy & I don't really care for the mess too much on headshot yotes.
If anyone tells you that ANYTHING will put them down right there, everytime.....Well, it's probably the same guy that shoots 1/2" groups "All day long".... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Barry
Jay Nistetter
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Never had any runners kissed by my 450 fur gun... YET!
Coyotes are the toughest animals I have ever seen.My uncle shot one two times with a .204 Ruger and it still got away.He took a running shot on it and it broke its spine the second shot hit it through the lungs and it just layed there.We walked out to get it and got about half way there and it got up and ran/crawled into a field on only its front two legs.We looked for about an hour and never found a blood trail or anything.
I made a bad decision by shooting one with a 22lr. one time and I lost the coyote over it.I shot it from 45 yards and it was gone before I could get a second shot off.I aimed right behind its front shoulder and saw a little fur fly off of it when I shot and that was the last I saw of it.Im never shooting a coyote with a rimfire again.
A buddy of mine shot one in the neck with a 30/06 and it required a second shot also.He also shot one with a .223 through both shoulders and it ran off and was never seen again.They are very tough critters.Every coyote I have seen get shot with a 22/250 was dead before it hit the ground though for some reason.
If you ever shoot a coyote and its still moving around dont think its just its nerves.Shoot it again. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
I made a bad decision by shooting one with a 22lr. one time and I lost the coyote over it.I shot it from 45 yards and it was gone before I could get a second shot off.I aimed right behind its front shoulder and saw a little fur fly off of it when I shot and that was the last I saw of it.Im never shooting a coyote with a rimfire again.
A buddy of mine shot one in the neck with a 30/06 and it required a second shot also.He also shot one with a .223 through both shoulders and it ran off and was never seen again.They are very tough critters.Every coyote I have seen get shot with a 22/250 was dead before it hit the ground though for some reason.
If you ever shoot a coyote and its still moving around dont think its just its nerves.Shoot it again. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
rockinbbar
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Never had any runners kissed by my 450 fur gun... YET!
Yeah, that .450 Bushy is a fur-friendly rascal isn't it? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif
I hear it just makes big boar hogs sqeal, though...
I stand corrected on the ANYTHING remark... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Never had any runners kissed by my 450 fur gun... YET!
Yeah, that .450 Bushy is a fur-friendly rascal isn't it? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif
I hear it just makes big boar hogs sqeal, though...
I stand corrected on the ANYTHING remark... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
CrazyHorse66
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Hi guys, new here!
I'm new to predator hunting, although I have killed a few coyotes with everything from 30-06, .223, .45acp, 12 guage, and the last one I got was with a .410 slug. You guys are the experts, though, so i respect your opinions.
I once shot a bullfrog across a pond (35yds?) 13 times with a .22lr before I killed it. Four broken legs, one eye, holes through both ears, holes through the throat....the durn thing was still wiggling when I dispatched it. I'd shoot it and it would hit the water, only to somehow crawl(or attempt to crawl) out of the water, then I'd shoot em again....(sigh). It was disheartening to say the least to see the creature struggling to live.
I was taught from a young age about the responsibilities we, as hunters have to secure a clean kill. Those of us who have had to track a wounded animal know the feeling of dread that comes with such a chore, and the relief that comes in recovering and dispatching said creation of God's.
The problems with the "rimfire vs centerfire for coyote" debate is the same as the ".223 for deer" debate, in that you're looking at the upper limit for the capabilities of each round. Experience is on both sides of the debate as there have been untold numbers of coyotes killed with a rimfire, but on the flipside there have been untold numbers lost.
As stated before, I have killed coyotes with what I had available at the time. Like bowhunting, you have to know your limits, and make conscientious decisions to limit crippled, wounded animals. Often the decision is personal, so I take no side in the debate. If I think I can drop a yote @ 50yds with the .17HMR in my hands at the time, I MAY take the shot. Then again, if it doesn't feel right, I may take the pass. I know the rifles capable, the rest is on me.
All that being said, I have often advocated the use of a shotgun for humane pest control, as it is a lot easier for me personally, to get off a needed second or even third shot if necessary, on a spinning, jumping, wounded target.
So does anybody have any shotgun horror stories to tell? Anybody out there ever hit a coyote at the proper range, with the proper load, in the proper place, only to have him get away?
While these discussions are often heated, it allows those who can think, the opportunity to learn.
Good day gentlemen.
I'm new to predator hunting, although I have killed a few coyotes with everything from 30-06, .223, .45acp, 12 guage, and the last one I got was with a .410 slug. You guys are the experts, though, so i respect your opinions.
I once shot a bullfrog across a pond (35yds?) 13 times with a .22lr before I killed it. Four broken legs, one eye, holes through both ears, holes through the throat....the durn thing was still wiggling when I dispatched it. I'd shoot it and it would hit the water, only to somehow crawl(or attempt to crawl) out of the water, then I'd shoot em again....(sigh). It was disheartening to say the least to see the creature struggling to live.
I was taught from a young age about the responsibilities we, as hunters have to secure a clean kill. Those of us who have had to track a wounded animal know the feeling of dread that comes with such a chore, and the relief that comes in recovering and dispatching said creation of God's.
The problems with the "rimfire vs centerfire for coyote" debate is the same as the ".223 for deer" debate, in that you're looking at the upper limit for the capabilities of each round. Experience is on both sides of the debate as there have been untold numbers of coyotes killed with a rimfire, but on the flipside there have been untold numbers lost.
As stated before, I have killed coyotes with what I had available at the time. Like bowhunting, you have to know your limits, and make conscientious decisions to limit crippled, wounded animals. Often the decision is personal, so I take no side in the debate. If I think I can drop a yote @ 50yds with the .17HMR in my hands at the time, I MAY take the shot. Then again, if it doesn't feel right, I may take the pass. I know the rifles capable, the rest is on me.
All that being said, I have often advocated the use of a shotgun for humane pest control, as it is a lot easier for me personally, to get off a needed second or even third shot if necessary, on a spinning, jumping, wounded target.
So does anybody have any shotgun horror stories to tell? Anybody out there ever hit a coyote at the proper range, with the proper load, in the proper place, only to have him get away?
While these discussions are often heated, it allows those who can think, the opportunity to learn.
Good day gentlemen.
Chupathingy
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Not tough huh? I shot a female 3 times at 100 yards using a .223 pushing 50 or 55 gr V-max's(not 100% sure of grain) and all 3 shots were perfect and I mean perfect! behind the shoulders. She never ran but she tipped over on all 3 shots and stayed down on the 3rd, when I walked up to her after calling a few minutes longer I found her still alive(not by much) and had to dispatch her with a 4th shot to the coconut from point blank range.
Yeah they're not so tough(Whatever)
Chupa
Yeah they're not so tough(Whatever)
Chupa
kunas
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i smoked one at 200+ yards 2 years ago while deer hunting with my 243AI with 95 grain sst hit in the bags he jumped about 39ft in the air and ran like i shoved a shovel up his ____ never found him he ran into some thick cover and i lost him found blood no dog though joking about the jump Ron
GC
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From experience I've shot coyotes with a .22LR and a .22 Magnum. The .22 Magnum was my first "varmint rifle" as a young teenager. It was a real step up from the Long Rifle, but it is a stretch to call it a "varmint rifle." The rimfires are very specialized and require a bow hunters approach. That is a disciplined mindset as it applies to range and shot angle and only squeeze when things are right. Otherwise you and the game will pay the price. Many people don’t respect the coyote for the game animal he is and really don’t care about if they hit it perfectly or, if they recover the animal or not. The mindset of “it’s just a danged coyote, who cares if it gets away, I know it’ll die” doesn’t cut it with me personally. I think we owe any animal better than an end like that. Heck, several years ago I found a big copperhead snake out by the barn. The danged thing struck at me and I grabbed a shovel and took a whack at it, hitting in the middle and slicing it in two. I quickly took better aim and neatly separated the head from the upper half of the body. I guess I could have walked off; it’s only a snake… I’m just not cut out that way. I quit the .223 for my calling here in the timber and brush because of the percentage of runners I had. My shooting is fast and while I always strive for perfect shot placement it just didn’t always happen as I wanted. Using the .243 I have much less trouble and anchor coyotes more solidly. Is it overkill? Probably, but it makes me more comfortable and I have fewer problems with cripples.
To the question about shotgunning coyotes, absolutely the same mindset must be adhered to as with the rimfires. Range, shot pattern density, load used, and angle are all factors. Shotguns just smash coyotes at times. Other times, you better be ready to apply more lead and in a hurry if you want to recover your fur. A couple of years ago I lost a big coyote that surprised me by coming from “the wrong direction” (how many times does that happen - why do we still call it the wrong direction?) when I rolled the big old coyote off a razorback ridge here in the Ozark timber with a load of .12 ga. 3” No. Four Buck at about 40 yards as the coyote high balled to the caller out in front of me. I knew at the shot I hit him high along the spine. He fell off the backside of the ridge out of sight from me. I got right up and went over there because I knew that coyote wasn’t stone dead and I needed to finish it. When I peeked over the ridge I saw a mass of tangled and downed log top leftovers from an old logging operation dumped in that narrow hollar. I saw the leaves scuffed and some hair where the coyote crawled down into the crud. I messed with that one for over an hour and never could recover it from that black hole it worked its way back under and into. Shotgunners shouldn’t shot then stop to admire their work… they better be quick on the trigger again if the coyote doesn’t give up the ghost and acts like it has much moxie left.
Tough coyotes? I broke a coyotes back with a 250 gr.44 Magnum fired from an 8 3/8” S&W M29 as it quartered toward me. That coyote went straight down snapped and yawned rearward toward its back and I thought it was done for. I was congratulating myself on the shot when the next thing I knew that coyote was sliding itself off downhill away from me PDQ. Kinda startled me and I missed it… twice as it dragged itself off on the front two legs. By the time I jumped up and ran it down it was 150 yards from where I hit it and going at a good clip through the slick leaves on the forest floor. Tough? You bet and I agree with whoever said it above, “Anybody who thinks coyotes aren’t tough just hasn’t shot many of them!” Here is the last coyote I shot with a .22LR. I called this coyote with a squirrel distress whistle while squirrel hunting with a T/C Classic .22LR semi-auto. I shot him in the right eye at eight short steps while it was running directly toward me…
To the question about shotgunning coyotes, absolutely the same mindset must be adhered to as with the rimfires. Range, shot pattern density, load used, and angle are all factors. Shotguns just smash coyotes at times. Other times, you better be ready to apply more lead and in a hurry if you want to recover your fur. A couple of years ago I lost a big coyote that surprised me by coming from “the wrong direction” (how many times does that happen - why do we still call it the wrong direction?) when I rolled the big old coyote off a razorback ridge here in the Ozark timber with a load of .12 ga. 3” No. Four Buck at about 40 yards as the coyote high balled to the caller out in front of me. I knew at the shot I hit him high along the spine. He fell off the backside of the ridge out of sight from me. I got right up and went over there because I knew that coyote wasn’t stone dead and I needed to finish it. When I peeked over the ridge I saw a mass of tangled and downed log top leftovers from an old logging operation dumped in that narrow hollar. I saw the leaves scuffed and some hair where the coyote crawled down into the crud. I messed with that one for over an hour and never could recover it from that black hole it worked its way back under and into. Shotgunners shouldn’t shot then stop to admire their work… they better be quick on the trigger again if the coyote doesn’t give up the ghost and acts like it has much moxie left.
Tough coyotes? I broke a coyotes back with a 250 gr.44 Magnum fired from an 8 3/8” S&W M29 as it quartered toward me. That coyote went straight down snapped and yawned rearward toward its back and I thought it was done for. I was congratulating myself on the shot when the next thing I knew that coyote was sliding itself off downhill away from me PDQ. Kinda startled me and I missed it… twice as it dragged itself off on the front two legs. By the time I jumped up and ran it down it was 150 yards from where I hit it and going at a good clip through the slick leaves on the forest floor. Tough? You bet and I agree with whoever said it above, “Anybody who thinks coyotes aren’t tough just hasn’t shot many of them!” Here is the last coyote I shot with a .22LR. I called this coyote with a squirrel distress whistle while squirrel hunting with a T/C Classic .22LR semi-auto. I shot him in the right eye at eight short steps while it was running directly toward me…
rockinbbar
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Ask RanUtah "How you do it Downtown!".... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
This is a MUST WATCH!
This is a MUST WATCH!
dog1whckr
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I've had one take a 22-250, 50 GR VMAX straight on in the white patch at 70 yards; dead standing, heard the wind go right of her and she ran straight away for 500 yards - until her back feet over ran her front. My Fed. trapper neighbor uses 22-250 Ackley and took the heart out of one(entirely) at 200 yards and she ran 800 yards. If it weren't for his dog he would have never found that one. Would I shoot one with a .22 rimfire? ONLY if I had the chance to finish the job with the butt end of the rifle. Those coyotes can take a real bad beating, standing dead, and, still leave for parts unknown. Just my 2cts worth.
CrazyHorse66
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This is a MUST WATCH!
Priceless!!! I'm glad I did.... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
This is a MUST WATCH!
Priceless!!! I'm glad I did.... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
Chupathingy
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Ask RanUtah "How you do it Downtown!".... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
This is a MUST WATCH!
That is one stupid coyote...I mean it came back 3 times, I'm dense but I woulda learned after I been shot once /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Chupa
Ask RanUtah "How you do it Downtown!".... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
This is a MUST WATCH!
That is one stupid coyote...I mean it came back 3 times, I'm dense but I woulda learned after I been shot once /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Chupa
Brendan43
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That is about the most depressing thing I can think of. I don't mind getting skunked, but getting a good solid hit where you hear the "thwack!" and the dumb thing gets up, runs and is lost in the sage- that flat out ruins my day. I also hate missing 100 yd or less shots. I think this crap happens to everyone except the guys in the gun store or on the forums who "regularly make 500 yard running shots" and as was mentioned before "1/2 inch 1000 yards groups all day long" I hate people like that.
Chupathingy
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"1/2 inch 1000 yards groups all day long" I hate people like that.
Only 1/2" at 1000!............Rookie! Me and a friend smear Karo syrup on silhouettes and then shoot the flies off'em at 1000.
I should mention my friends name is "In my dreams" /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Chupa
"1/2 inch 1000 yards groups all day long" I hate people like that.
Only 1/2" at 1000!............Rookie! Me and a friend smear Karo syrup on silhouettes and then shoot the flies off'em at 1000.
I should mention my friends name is "In my dreams" /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Chupa
NM_HighPlains
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Couple of years ago, I was out checking pasture and as I crossed the creek in the prairie dog town a 'yote jumped up RIGHT THERE and took off running about 45 deg away. All I had was my Ruger 77/.22. I figured I'd throw a little lead his way just to keep him cautious and so I aimed about 2' in front of him and the thick part of the crosshair over him. Pulled the trigger. No one was more surprised than me to see the 'yote cartwheel and come to a dusty flop. I couldn't believe it- it was like I'd hit him with a .30-06 or something. After 30-45 seconds he tried to sit up and I gave him another round in the head. Dead for sure then.
When I went over to get him, I found that the first bullet (standard old Remington HP in the green box) had entered the ribcage and gone straight into the boiler room. No exit, of course. I had a little more respect for the .22 after that. But would I use one _intentionally_ for coyotes? No way.
20 years ago, I was on my grandmother's place and shot a coyote out in the pasture. While skinning it, I found a fresh .22 bullet under the skin. Later that day, my cousin came over and said "Yeah, I shot at a coyote today, but all I had was my .22..."
When I went over to get him, I found that the first bullet (standard old Remington HP in the green box) had entered the ribcage and gone straight into the boiler room. No exit, of course. I had a little more respect for the .22 after that. But would I use one _intentionally_ for coyotes? No way.
20 years ago, I was on my grandmother's place and shot a coyote out in the pasture. While skinning it, I found a fresh .22 bullet under the skin. Later that day, my cousin came over and said "Yeah, I shot at a coyote today, but all I had was my .22..."