How far does the coyote run after a heart/lung?

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How long is the average run when hit properly in the heart/lung area?



It runs until it stops - period. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif If it's running after the first shot - shoot it again till it stops running, you can't see it, or you're out of shells! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
 
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A headshot will achor them, but, it's messy & I don't really care for the mess too much on headshot yotes.



I take a head/neck shot on every game animal I can, providing I can get them to stand still with a clear sight path. It makes for a bit of a horror show and you lose some "hero" pics, but I haven't had a runner yet (that I hit), and there's no wasted meat. I ain't eating the head and not having blood in the abdominal cavity actually makes for a cleaner dressing experience on something like an elk or deer.
A lot of the stuff I'm hunting here, if they run 400 yards I'm not going to find them, unless there's a heavy blood trail.
Seems the most humane under the circumstances, and two inches of protruding eyeballs and some brain splatter doesn't bother me much anymore. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
But you've got to get close, like you're bowhunting.

(I realize I'm a somewhat sick SOB) /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
 
I think ryan went "downtown" and had a beer after that one... The worst part about being in that situaion, is the anticipation of the oter hunters laughts and jokes. I mean he knows its on film, its gonna get posted, and there is absolutely nothing he can do about it. Bet he didnt sleep that night lol!
 
They are a tough animal no question. They are tough because there instict is to survive, and there is no quit in them. i had one run out in front of my car several years ago. I had no time to react and ran right over it with my old chevy impala. I felt it roll under the car and thought for sure it must be dead. I never found it.
 
i have noticed that they are like pigs or deer. If you take them before the adrenaline starts pumping, you can anchor them pretty good, but once the cujo juice starts flowing it is amazing what they can do, and withstand.
 
I hit one last winter, just perfect with a 55 gr.223 and it ran off about 40 yards. Think it just depends on the dog and the adrenaline rush it gets when hit.
 
I spoke with a guy today that was telling me about hitting a coyote low in the gut with a .22-250 from about 200 yards. He said the coyote ran through the short grass field... dragging its stomach and intestines in a trail behind it. He was hunting with a Ruger No. 1 and had shot from prone, so he rolled over and lowered the lever to eject the fired casing, dug around for a loaded round, chambered a cartridge and reaquired the coyote that was still struggling along, now about 400 yards away in the far corner of the field. He shot but missed and had to get up and hustle out there to trail the coyote. This feller was 71 years old, so that all didn't happen in a rush. He found it another 50 yards or so inside the woodline where it had crawled into a brushpile. He was able to finish the poor animal finally. He said he was absolutely sick about it and felt so bad he didn't go back out for awhile. But that story is a testiment to the grit a coyote has. Weak physiology my rear... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
 
Shot this coyote while he was sleeping around 300yrds out. I went prone up in front of that lone distant tree on the high hill top. Shot the coyote front center chest with a .243WSSM 95gr WSBT.

Exit, blew a fist sized hole out the other side of his chest. Coyote rolled up-hill once from bullet impact. Coyote got to his feet, spun a couple quick times. Then ran down hill. I nailed him again, in almost the same area. He finally fell & didn't get back up.

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Shot another coyote, that was walking a high drift above a creek bottom. Coyote was way out there around 420yrds[graphed]. 95gr .243 WSSM bullet hit the coyote front R-chest. Exit wound, took out his left shoulder & upper leg. Coyote rolled off the drift, hard.
A couple seconds later, same coyote is hauling hiney in a wide arcing loop around my position.

I sent 4 more rds, but couldn't reconnect. Coyote ran hard on three legs for about a 3/8 mile. I tracked him down in the same weeded creek. Where he holed-up in a pile of cement rubble. Point being, bullet went through his chest, took out his front left running gear. But wasn't good enough.

Tough coyote.
 
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I used a .22 pistol for years while running traps. However I would consider a .22 pretty light for a body shot on coyote. I shot one about 10 years ago with my .223 with 55 gr Sp at 250 yards. Hit the coyote too far back. He hit the ground intially then jumped up and took off. I threw a few more shots his direction but failed to connect. I started to track him in the snow and saw green bile in with the blood. I tracked that coyote for three hours before I had to give up when it got too dark to continue. The next day I went back and continued tracking the coyote finally jumping him from a thick sage brush patch and killing him. He was moving awfully slow. The first shot should have killed him but he was just to tough to die. Its also the reason I perfer my 22-250 over my .223 for coyotes. Seems it puts them down for good with the additional energy. Coyotes are tough and anybody that sayes they aren't hasn't hunted them much.
 
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Dang guys, I never had much trouble with yotes running off. I really don't think that I was doing much special.

In the 223, I shot a pretty standard load of 26.5g of win 748 with a 55g Winchester SP or a 55g Sierra lead tip blitz. The load with the 55g Win at 3050 fps is very fur friendly on close shots under 80 yards.

Shots were rarely over 125 yards out of a Rem 788. No telling how many I killed with a 222 shooting the 50g Sierra spt at 3200 fps, but shots were under 150 yds 95% of the time.

If I knew that I was going to be taking shots over 200 yards, I used a 6mm Rem with the 60g Sierra Hp going 3950 or the 80g Sierra going 3500+. It was very, very rare to ever see a yote shot more than once.

I hunted with a guy that shot a custom 243 and loved the Hornady 75g HP that had a very tiny HP at that time. We would for sure see 2 coyotes out of 20 shot run off like a scaled cat with guts hanging out the off side... He never would admit that those bullets were a problem because "his" bullet was a point of pride. I believe that this bullet expanded just before it exited the animal.

I think that common sense would tell you that a yote is a tough mother huncher to kill if not hit right. Hit him with enough horse power to create a temporary wound cavity that ruptures the diaphram and disrupt both halves of the nervous system, and they are more apt to just collapse right where they stand. If your load does not have the horse power to break the diaphram, you are apt to have runners.

Bottom line for me, I use a 223 for walking out making stands where I know my shots are on the short side. When I know that I'm apt to make shots at 200 yds or more, I carry a cannon of some type, your first shot is the most important, make it count.

Common sense would also dictate that if a guy does not practice a lot with his rifle, he is apt to just simply make bad shots, which is what I saw in the spinners that I have had with the 22/250...usually high to the rear of center.

Before I started reading this site, I never knew that a coyotes were such a problem to kill. Lots of guys save fur that post on this site, and are trying to use ammo that is not fur destructive.

Short barreled 223's shooting at extended ranges are just asking for gimped up animals, since the tempory wound cavity created by the slower velocities is much less.

Again, a lot of guys are shooting guns and ammo that are "fur" friendly. I am just the opposite, I want to blow them to heck...I want to see fur fly'en at the shot! My hunting partners and I never had problems with animals gimping off unless we were shooting the 22/250 loaded with 52g speers, the 243 loaded with 75g HP or 75g speer HP. The 52g speers and 75g speers shot at the fast velocities blew up on contact with shoulder blades, ribs, and hip joints. The 75g HOrnady's pencil'd through.

When a guy is using fur friendly loads, he will experience more problems with coyotes running off unless he is using a very special outfit. I for one would never tollerate a gun/load where the animal ran 40-50 yards at the shot, that would really mess with my head.

The only plastic tip bullets that I ever shot were the 55g Nosler Ballistic tips that I shot out of a 22/250 AI at 3800 fps. I shot a lot of yotes way out in fields that were mousing. At ranges of 300+ yards, they occasionally would do flips/spins etc, but what do you expect for long shots with a 55gbullet with impact velocity of 2500 fps? 300+ yards gives the wind time to re-direct your bullet from aim point. You guys that are shooting a 16" AR with a 60g+ bullet and hope to kill coyotes at 300 yards with an impact velocity of 2000 fps, you have to make a perfect shot and hope the animal is not all jacked up. Take a look at your impact velocity at the ranges that you hope to shoot.

If you are experiencing spinners often, you need to practice at the rifle range more often or you simply don't have enough gun. Give yourself a break, bad shots happen to anyone that hunts...that is just part of life.
 
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From experience I've shot coyotes with a .22LR and a .22 Magnum. The .22 Magnum was my first "varmint rifle" as a young teenager. It was a real step up from the Long Rifle, but it is a stretch to call it a "varmint rifle." The rimfires are very specialized and require a bow hunters approach. That is a disciplined mindset as it applies to range and shot angle and only squeeze when things are right.



Well said...

Here it is and say what you will.

My favorite rifle for coyotes is none other than a .17 HMR. As the above quoted passage states, you really do have to take on a bowhunter's mentality when going after something the size of a coyote with a rimfire. If it hangs up at 150+ yards, then I call that one a survivor same with one that offers nothing in the way of shot placement or stays on the move.[beeep], if the shot doesn't feel right I'll let it walk. But, when the stars align I'll drop the hammer and let the little poison pill do it's work. And work it does. Usually well with-in 40-50 yards and with-in sight . In 2 years or so, I've had to rely on a dog one time to recover a hit coyote. He was still with-in 40 yards, just made a quck circle and piled up .

Anyway, it's all about range and bullet placement. That simple. Don't try to coax more out of it than what it is.
 
ackleyman,

Well my shots are never perfect, as a root cause IMO. I believe all of the ones, that didn't stay down or die right away. Would've died a short time later[mortally hit]. Thus the follow-up shots.

I've shot other coyotes, that should've stayed down, but regained their footing & ran/walked a heckuva long ways.

Farthest lung shot, I can recall. Is a canine that traveled 3/4 mile, after a solid chest hit. That canine[a coyote hybrid]. Had his R-lung fractured & eixt out of the other side of his chest[small pile of pink frothy lung chunks] on the snow where he fell. Yet he regained his footing & ran/walked 3/4 mile to an abandoned farmsted. In the middle of another mile section. Canine crawled into an old den hole under a shed.

I've done my share of running a track from mortally hit coyotes in yrs past. Very time consuming not to mention, I prefer they die when 1st shoot.

I've read where some coyote hunters prefer lung shot coyotes as for putting them down right now for good. Lung shots are one of my least-prefered shots. As they can travel quite far w/o the use of their lungs, when fight/flight[Adrenalin dump] sets in.
 
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I hit one through the chest cavity with a 17 HMR 20gr XTP at 65 yards. The shot knocked him down and he layed there flopping for a minute then got up and trotted off like he was never hit. There was blood but not a lot, and I lost the trail in short order.I bought a 204 after that, and use 45gr hornady bullets. They don't get up anymore.
 
I would have to agree with ackleyman i also don't see any coyotes run off from a true heart shot or a hit in the lungs.. The heart and lungs are'nt as big as most people think and if a coyote did run after the shot either one was proably missed..
 
Kirby, out of a 100 coyotes, how many do you think ran off after a solid hit?

I had a theory...only a WAG, that when a bullet blows the guts out of a coyote (with coyote running off), that the bullet was too tough, and was blowing up just prior to exit, kinda sucking the guts out with the tempory wound cavity that it was creating. I would switch bullets, and did not see any more of that.

We hunted Mexico for 12 years, killed a lot of yotes. Our gun permits allowed two guns, with 50 rounds for each gun, usually two gun permits in the truck. When we would want to try a different bullet, we would shoot at least 25 straight with the same bullet before we went to a different bullet, because of the different distances and angles involved.

No doubt about it that we had more spinners with a light loaded 22/250 (55g @3500) than the 243 and 6 Rem. We jacked up the 22/250 to a max load of Win 760 with the 55g Sierra spt and BTHP, spinners seemed to stop. We believed that the tempory wound cavity created by more horsepower, disrupted more tissue, nerves, etc.

The Mack Daddy of all loads that we found was with custom 243's and 6 Rem's shooting the sierra 60's at 3900+ fps, the Sierra 75g HP at 3600 fps, and the Sierra 80g at 3500 fps. The 22/250 AI loaded with the Berger 60g HP will cut a bobcat in half at times and puts tremedous holes in yotes.
Speed kills.

Tracking yotes, yotes running off, them getting up after being hit...usually meant a bad hit. We simply did not see it often at all. When yotes don't die immediately, I start examining the distance, wind, angle of the shot, and of course shot placement. Bullet construction is often the blame. On marginal bullets performance, a certain percentage will have all kinds of wierd things happen, usually due to premature bullet expansion or the bullet being too tough. If you unzip a yote or just hit him low, he is going to run...you just call it a bad shot.

When you hit a coyote solid, he lays down then gets up...you have got a problem with your bullet and/or load. Horsepower usually cures this issue, and if you are shooting a match bullet with a small meplat, go to a different bullet.

I said in my earlier post that I saw very poor bullet performance on a 22/250 loaded with 52g Speers@ 3550fps, 6mm Rem loaded with 75g Speers @3500fps, 243 loaded with 85g Sierra sp loaded at 3300 fps had several failures to expand, and 243 loaded with the old Hornady 75g HP at 3600 fps. Also, the 80g Berger at 3500 was not impressive as the 80g Sierra. My 65g MEF's blew up on the surface at 3700 fps shot out of a 243. It was always fun to try different bullets, till the bullet ended up being a POS.

On a week long trip to Mexico, we would kill in the neighborhood of a hundred animals depending on how much we quail, dove hunted, or fished. There are guys that visit this board from time to time that killed 50+ animals in a weekend in Mexico. We would see a lot of yotes, bobcats, and foxes go down over a short period of time. Bullet and gun performance could be quickly evaluated. We only made one two week trip to Mexico and it was unbelievable at the animals we killed.

Guys that hunt for fur have a pretty tough job in trying to balance horsepower and minimal hide damage.

If I lived in an area were hides were good, I'd build a Hot 17, shoot 30g bullets and call'er done.

All this got a little side tracked from the origional subject of, "How far does the coyote run after a heart/lung"? My answer to that question is that if you are having runners, use a bigger gun or change bullets.
 
ackleyman,

Your asking me to remember, LOL! Ok, I'll give it an estimate of the ones, I've shot solid. It's in the 90% range, that didn't die right away & got to their feet. Now these "runners", "some" ran hard, while other's poked or hobbled/pronked along. Needless to say, I was doing follow-up shots to finish the kill.

Of all the coyotes I killed "quickly". They were; head, heart, spine, throat/Carotid Artery & through [both shoulder's]/ upper spine area shots. Even a few of those, managed to get to their feet & go a little ways, very slowly...sometimes walking slow. However, some dropped liked an anvil...dead.

I stalked up on one[male, mid 30's est] two Falls ago. Shot him [broadside]center chest with my .243WSSM 95gr Win Silver Ballistic Tips. As he was balled-up sleeping in a waterway. I was roughly 60' away when I shot. Bullet impact rolled the coyote over, he got to his feet, staggering. I walked up & shot him again. 1st hit, made a [larger than]fist sized exit wound. That coyote IMO, wouldn't of traveled more than a few feet, regardless of the 2nd shot.

FWIW,
Body organs prone to fracture; Liver/heart/speen/overie's/kidneys. However, other organs can "explode" or "fracture" to high speed impact/expansion from a projectile.

Adrenal Glands set atop of the Kidneys[I was a paramedic for 17yrs]. Fight/Flight Syndrone;, kicks in when injury/trauma/fear, sets in.

Pure Adrenalin/[Epinephrine], is dumped into the blood stream. Peripheral Arteries & viens constrict, Blood pressure rises. Respiratory drive increase's, lung aveloi open/expand for increased lung volume. Blood is shunted from the extremeites to/towards the body core area & brain. Resulting in increased strength/stamenia/endurance. Sometimes phenominally.
 
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I believe a severe increase in T-3 and T-4 rapidly occurs from teh thyroid further increasing anarobic capabilities. Wasn't a paramedic but am a biochemistry major/propowerlifter/former steroid junkie.
 
A couple of winter's ago. I just sighted my rifle in for 600yrds on a bare dirtclod out on a rolling snow covered crop field. Bro was there & lazered the shot. Bro had to leave that night.

Well I went coyote hunting the next day. Prior to me going hunting. The previous night it warmed up greatly, snow melted.

Anyway, I'm traveling West bound spotting coyote. I get to the same section, I sighted in on the previous day.
Hmmm, target @ my 12:00. The dirtclod I sighted in on, was adjacent to a snow covered carcass...[now partially exposed] out in the same field. Well, atop of the carcass, stood a female coyote, eyeing me from afar, & now eating very quickly.

I quickly loaded up, went prone on the field edge. Wind in my face. The coyote was facing & quartering me. I shot, bullet hit her r-side front mid rib area. She got knocked off of the carcass, hard. She got to her feet, & hobbled down hill slowly. Most of her entrails hanging out of the massive exit hole.

I sent two more 95gr rds her way. 2nd rd, a miss. 3rd rd, hit her broadside front chest. She fell like an anvil. I walked out to recover her. She was small, around 25lbs. 1st rd exit, about cut her in 1/2.
 
Yes, from what I can recall. Cortical Steroids are also released into the body/[blood stream], for strength.
 
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