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Mark Twain was a wise old man.
Mark Twain was a wise old man.
How many animals go to heaven?
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An electrified mass of liquidity tissue between the ears has reasoned there is no creator, based off a limited conscience experience within a humanistic perspective of space and time.? Huh, we cannot even confirm or deny the existence of intelligent life forms beyond our galaxy. The greatest minds that ever existed on this planet are not capable of understanding a fraction of what is beyond our existence, even if one spoke the language. I heard an analogy: for a human to truly comprehend the essence of heaven, would be like trying to explain the internet to an ant.
Originally Posted By: DiRTY DOGOriginally Posted By: Infidel 762I heard an analogy: for a human to truly comprehend the essence of heaven, would be like trying to explain the internet to an ant. I think I understand the analogy: Heaven was invented by man, just like the internet.
If that is what your 3 pound brain reasons...
If that is what your 3 pound brain reasons...
Originally Posted By: DiRTY DOGOriginally Posted By: Infidel 762If that is what your 3 pound brain reasons... What my brain reasons observes.
Perceives from a limited earthly perspective
Perceives from a limited earthly perspective
I find it rather vain to believe life originated out of nothingness and human intelligence is the last word...
Originally Posted By: DiRTY DOGOriginally Posted By: Infidel 762I heard an analogy: for a human to truly comprehend the essence of heaven, would be like trying to explain the internet to an ant. I think I understand the analogy: Heaven was invented by man, just like the internet.
Essence; “a property or group of properties of something without which it would not exist or be what it is.”
The analogy is that your earthly mind is not capable of comprehending the essence...
Essence; “a property or group of properties of something without which it would not exist or be what it is.”
The analogy is that your earthly mind is not capable of comprehending the essence...
Infidel is right.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1 Cor 2:14
Dirty dog is spiritually blind due to his pride.
“For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.”
Isaiah 55:8-9
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1 Cor 2:14
Dirty dog is spiritually blind due to his pride.
“For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.”
Isaiah 55:8-9
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tripod should get some kind of an award for starting this thread.
Originally Posted By: BJJ223 Women are not allowed to be pastors. That is wrong.
Could you explain this a little better?
Women like Joyce Meyer, Victoria Osteen, and Paula White, and many others, have huge ministries where they spread your faith to millions of people and make millions of dollars in the process.
Why is that wrong?
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Could you explain this a little better?
Women like Joyce Meyer, Victoria Osteen, and Paula White, and many others, have huge ministries where they spread your faith to millions of people and make millions of dollars in the process.
Why is that wrong?
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Originally Posted By: BJJ223I am non denominational. The KJV Bible is my final authority. The group that closest represents what the Bible teaches would be the independent fundamental Baptists.
One more question if you don’t mind.....
Pastors like Rick Warren, Joel Osteen, Kenneth Copeland, and many, many others pastor huge mega-churches with memberships that number in the tens of thousands. They fly around the country and the world, many in private jets, spreading your faith to literally millions of people. They make millions of dollars in the process and support charities that help a lot of people. They all have personal fortunes in the millions.
Their “prosperity” ministries have probably been responsible for more conversions to your faith than any other reason in the last 50 years.
They all seem to be far from what I read about “independent fundamental” beliefs, but the success of their churches is undeniable.
Do you share any of their views, even though some seem different than yours?
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One more question if you don’t mind.....
Pastors like Rick Warren, Joel Osteen, Kenneth Copeland, and many, many others pastor huge mega-churches with memberships that number in the tens of thousands. They fly around the country and the world, many in private jets, spreading your faith to literally millions of people. They make millions of dollars in the process and support charities that help a lot of people. They all have personal fortunes in the millions.
Their “prosperity” ministries have probably been responsible for more conversions to your faith than any other reason in the last 50 years.
They all seem to be far from what I read about “independent fundamental” beliefs, but the success of their churches is undeniable.
Do you share any of their views, even though some seem different than yours?
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Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: BJJ223 Women are not allowed to be pastors. That is wrong.
Could you explain this a little better?
Women like Joyce Meyer, Victoria Osteen, and Paula White, and many others, have huge ministries where they spread your faith to millions of people and make millions of dollars in the process.
Why is that wrong?
* What I get out of his proclamations is that Man created God in his image: intolerant, sexist, homophobic and violent.
Could you explain this a little better?
Women like Joyce Meyer, Victoria Osteen, and Paula White, and many others, have huge ministries where they spread your faith to millions of people and make millions of dollars in the process.
Why is that wrong?
* What I get out of his proclamations is that Man created God in his image: intolerant, sexist, homophobic and violent.
Originally Posted By: DiRTY DOGWhen you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
Predictable, dead horse comebacks; drag in religion. Show me where I advocated for a specific God or dismissed another.
You can easily hit nerves if you attack a religious persons specific beliefs in their scripture. I am a non denominational spiritualists, with no rituals or scripture to dismiss. You are repeating yourselfs over and over with your faults found in a religion.
By your account; man created something that I said the human mind is not capable of fully comprehending... And I fully understand your wholesale condemnation of a secular creator, it is founded in analysis of religions...
I will not debate religion, do you have any other angles?
Predictable, dead horse comebacks; drag in religion. Show me where I advocated for a specific God or dismissed another.
You can easily hit nerves if you attack a religious persons specific beliefs in their scripture. I am a non denominational spiritualists, with no rituals or scripture to dismiss. You are repeating yourselfs over and over with your faults found in a religion.
By your account; man created something that I said the human mind is not capable of fully comprehending... And I fully understand your wholesale condemnation of a secular creator, it is founded in analysis of religions...
I will not debate religion, do you have any other angles?
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Originally Posted By: Infadel 762I will not debate religion, do you have any other angles? And I won't debate nondenominational spiritualism, since each individual defines their belief system differently, keeping it vague enough that it can't be identified or pinned down or falsified. Debating that is like trying to pin an invisible cloud to a wall. I don't find it interesting.
Meanwhile BJJ223 continues to ignore the first Q I asked him.
Originally Posted By: BJJ223Okay. I’ll come back in. The Bible is all I need as my evidence. It is the eyewitness testimony of dozens of men who had an experience with the living God.
Originally Posted By: DiRTY DOGEyewitness testimony of dozens..? That is a remarkable claim.
If it turned out that zero of the "eyewitness testimonies" in the bible were actually first hand "eyewitness testimonies" like you claim, if it turned out that the stories in the NT etc were actually written decades later by men who only heard those stories by word of mouth but never actually met Jesus, would you still consider that EVIDENCE and how reliable would you rate that evidence on a scale from 1 to 100 with 100 being absolutely credible and 1 being extremely doubtful?
Meanwhile BJJ223 continues to ignore the first Q I asked him.
Originally Posted By: BJJ223Okay. I’ll come back in. The Bible is all I need as my evidence. It is the eyewitness testimony of dozens of men who had an experience with the living God.
Originally Posted By: DiRTY DOGEyewitness testimony of dozens..? That is a remarkable claim.
If it turned out that zero of the "eyewitness testimonies" in the bible were actually first hand "eyewitness testimonies" like you claim, if it turned out that the stories in the NT etc were actually written decades later by men who only heard those stories by word of mouth but never actually met Jesus, would you still consider that EVIDENCE and how reliable would you rate that evidence on a scale from 1 to 100 with 100 being absolutely credible and 1 being extremely doubtful?
fw707 - I will do my best to go through your list.
Rick Warren - I live a few miles from his Church. He preaches a watered down message that only focuses on the happy parts of the Bible. His incomplete messages are mostly man centered and shallow to keep people in the pew donating money. I have a real problem with his embrace of Islam. Islam is evil. Allah is not God. Allah is a demon. I believe Rick Warren is a real Christian. But, his Church makes me sick.
Joel Osteen - I despise him as a cowardly money grabbing fraud. Even an unsaved person can see that. I question his salvation because he said Mormons and Christians worship the same God. This is not true. If a person does not have the right Jesus, they are not saved.
Joyce Meyer - From what I know, she is a Christian. She is also wrong. The Bible clearly teaches women are not to be pastors. I don't know all the exact details of her theology.
Ken Copeland - This guy is a heretic and a money grabbing fraud. He has taught things that are contrary to the things a person needs to believe to be saved. Run for your life.
Here is the deal. A man is saved when he confesses his sin and believes that Jesus Christ paid for those sins on the cross and rose on the third day. The same Christian can be in wrong on many other things and still be saved. Good examples are Joyce Meyer or Rick Warren. They are hurting people in the process. But, God can even use these people who are clearly wrong to reach the lost. That does not justify their error though.
The Bible is much more than just reaching the lost. You could print the Gospel on a 3x5 card. The Bible reveals the nature of God and his will for our lives. To misunderstand these things can bring a lot of pain to your life and damage to others.
Success in man's eyes is a large church. God looks at things differently. Success is obedience and telling the truth. Bigger is not better. Jesus Christ said the way is narrow.
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Matt 7:13-14
Rick Warren - I live a few miles from his Church. He preaches a watered down message that only focuses on the happy parts of the Bible. His incomplete messages are mostly man centered and shallow to keep people in the pew donating money. I have a real problem with his embrace of Islam. Islam is evil. Allah is not God. Allah is a demon. I believe Rick Warren is a real Christian. But, his Church makes me sick.
Joel Osteen - I despise him as a cowardly money grabbing fraud. Even an unsaved person can see that. I question his salvation because he said Mormons and Christians worship the same God. This is not true. If a person does not have the right Jesus, they are not saved.
Joyce Meyer - From what I know, she is a Christian. She is also wrong. The Bible clearly teaches women are not to be pastors. I don't know all the exact details of her theology.
Ken Copeland - This guy is a heretic and a money grabbing fraud. He has taught things that are contrary to the things a person needs to believe to be saved. Run for your life.
Here is the deal. A man is saved when he confesses his sin and believes that Jesus Christ paid for those sins on the cross and rose on the third day. The same Christian can be in wrong on many other things and still be saved. Good examples are Joyce Meyer or Rick Warren. They are hurting people in the process. But, God can even use these people who are clearly wrong to reach the lost. That does not justify their error though.
The Bible is much more than just reaching the lost. You could print the Gospel on a 3x5 card. The Bible reveals the nature of God and his will for our lives. To misunderstand these things can bring a lot of pain to your life and damage to others.
Success in man's eyes is a large church. God looks at things differently. Success is obedience and telling the truth. Bigger is not better. Jesus Christ said the way is narrow.
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Matt 7:13-14
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Originally Posted By: BJJ223Dirtydog, why should I answer a make believe question? You are sure you are right. You seem happy on your current path to damnation.
What is a make believe question??
Your claim is outright rejected by virtually all biblical scholars from all denominations. First hand eyewitness testimony? Yet you offer your claim as the only evidence you need. Are you SURE the bible contains first hand eyewitnesses to god like you claim? This isn't a trick question, you can just google it, or go to the library.
Originally Posted By: BJJ223Okay. I’ll come back in. The Bible is all I need as my evidence. It is the eyewitness testimony of dozens of men who had an experience with the living God.
If you don't respond with an answer, I'm done. I think I'm one of the few here who has actually killed stuff during the duration of this thread. Think of how many more critters I could have called in had I not been typing here...
What is a make believe question??
Your claim is outright rejected by virtually all biblical scholars from all denominations. First hand eyewitness testimony? Yet you offer your claim as the only evidence you need. Are you SURE the bible contains first hand eyewitnesses to god like you claim? This isn't a trick question, you can just google it, or go to the library.
Originally Posted By: BJJ223Okay. I’ll come back in. The Bible is all I need as my evidence. It is the eyewitness testimony of dozens of men who had an experience with the living God.
If you don't respond with an answer, I'm done. I think I'm one of the few here who has actually killed stuff during the duration of this thread. Think of how many more critters I could have called in had I not been typing here...
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