cawilson82
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Review the links posted kirby. There's bobcats dragging deer in them.
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Originally Posted By: cawilson82Review the links posted kirby. There's bobcats dragging deer in them.
Your correct on one point a deer, as in FAWN. Look at the size of the Bobcat's head & body compared to the fawn it is dragging. I don't doubt for one minute a Bobcat couldn't kill a deer.
However....a Bobcat dragging a full grown deer, is bullarky.
Also, the pic of the deer laying by the brick house. The print next to the cig lighter = canine. NOT feline.
Your correct on one point a deer, as in FAWN. Look at the size of the Bobcat's head & body compared to the fawn it is dragging. I don't doubt for one minute a Bobcat couldn't kill a deer.
However....a Bobcat dragging a full grown deer, is bullarky.
Also, the pic of the deer laying by the brick house. The print next to the cig lighter = canine. NOT feline.
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Originally Posted By: kirbyOriginally Posted By: Chilsonbobcats kill much like lions stlk then come from the cover and bite the base of the skull as well as the throat just back of the jaws over the larynx. This could result from catching the prey after it falls, or it may be individual bobcat behavior. claw marks on the back or shoulders are not uncommon from bobcats tend to secure a lethal hold on the neck or throat and hang on until the prey stops struggling. Frequently, when bobcats secure a grip over the larynx bobcat’s canine teeth are normally about 3/4 to 1 inch apart. Generally, an estimate of this spacing is easier to tell the diffrence between kills from fox and coyotes bobcats do kill adult deer and antelope often they attack larger prey much like cougars by leaping on the back or shoulders and commonly leave claw marks On small prey there may be claw marks on any part of the body but they are usually concentrated on the neck shoulders and ribs. they will eat the hindquarters and like the cat family are pretty clean. i think you have a bobcat kill a lion kill doesnt seem plausable in your part of the country im shure alot of folks will say diffrent everyone has an opinion.
What isn't "plausable" Is a Bobcat dragging a full grown deer 15-20yrds
Check mate
actualy it is have seen it several times on deer sheep and antelope what i dont find plausible is someone happens to come and find a lion kill in tennesee or how a guy who sits in his truck or is giveing advice based on nothing but takeing pictures from county roads or road ditches feels he is such an expert after around 5 coyotes under his belt but 47 years of hunting? im sorry stalking takeing pictures what ever you feel like calling it could convince himself from a persons story yet not seing what actualy happend or the the kill or kill site could asume it is a lion after seeing no pictures of the deer no accurate weight or even if it was drug in the first place. i find that funny i also find it funny that teveryone asumes its a lion many necropsys performed have stunned folks when what appeard to be the culprit was anoteh rspecies. well kirby you win again with your infinate wisdom again we disagree and again you aint got me fooled with your armchair knowlege. let the games begin ill prolly get banned for this post lol but i have a hard time with BS
What isn't "plausable" Is a Bobcat dragging a full grown deer 15-20yrds
Check mate
actualy it is have seen it several times on deer sheep and antelope what i dont find plausible is someone happens to come and find a lion kill in tennesee or how a guy who sits in his truck or is giveing advice based on nothing but takeing pictures from county roads or road ditches feels he is such an expert after around 5 coyotes under his belt but 47 years of hunting? im sorry stalking takeing pictures what ever you feel like calling it could convince himself from a persons story yet not seing what actualy happend or the the kill or kill site could asume it is a lion after seeing no pictures of the deer no accurate weight or even if it was drug in the first place. i find that funny i also find it funny that teveryone asumes its a lion many necropsys performed have stunned folks when what appeard to be the culprit was anoteh rspecies. well kirby you win again with your infinate wisdom again we disagree and again you aint got me fooled with your armchair knowlege. let the games begin ill prolly get banned for this post lol but i have a hard time with BS
Just another thought fellows, this deer's left ham was eaten down to the bone. As in clean. From the tarsal gland to the ball of the hip joint was pretty much meatless. Some meat was gone around the left side of the pelvis too, but not a lot. I'm guessing there was maybe 15 # of meat gone.
Rb9
SHampton - Couldn't be a poodle .We don't have any stray dogs around here. No collar? Must be a coyote!! Just kidding..sort of....
Rb9
SHampton - Couldn't be a poodle .We don't have any stray dogs around here. No collar? Must be a coyote!! Just kidding..sort of....
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Originally Posted By: ChilsonOriginally Posted By: kirbyOriginally Posted By: Chilsonbobcats kill much like lions stlk then come from the cover and bite the base of the skull as well as the throat just back of the jaws over the larynx. This could result from catching the prey after it falls, or it may be individual bobcat behavior. claw marks on the back or shoulders are not uncommon from bobcats tend to secure a lethal hold on the neck or throat and hang on until the prey stops struggling. Frequently, when bobcats secure a grip over the larynx bobcat’s canine teeth are normally about 3/4 to 1 inch apart. Generally, an estimate of this spacing is easier to tell the diffrence between kills from fox and coyotes bobcats do kill adult deer and antelope often they attack larger prey much like cougars by leaping on the back or shoulders and commonly leave claw marks On small prey there may be claw marks on any part of the body but they are usually concentrated on the neck shoulders and ribs. they will eat the hindquarters and like the cat family are pretty clean. i think you have a bobcat kill a lion kill doesnt seem plausable in your part of the country im shure alot of folks will say diffrent everyone has an opinion.
What isn't "plausable" Is a Bobcat dragging a full grown deer 15-20yrds
Check mate
actualy it is have seen it several times on deer sheep and antelope what i dont find plausible is someone happens to come and find a lion kill in tennesee or how a guy who sits in his truck or is giveing advice based on nothing but takeing pictures from county roads or road ditches feels he is such an expert after around 5 coyotes under his belt but 47 years of hunting? im sorry stalking takeing pictures what ever you feel like calling it could convince himself from a persons story yet not seing what actualy happend or the the kill or kill site could asume it is a lion after seeing no pictures of the deer no accurate weight or even if it was drug in the first place. i find that funny i also find it funny that teveryone asumes its a lion many necropsys performed have stunned folks when what appeard to be the culprit was anoteh rspecies. well kirby you win again with your infinate wisdom again we disagree and again you aint got me fooled with your armchair knowlege. let the games begin ill prolly get banned for this post lol but i have a hard time with bullshitters
Well now, ye old pot calling the kettle black are we
You don't know squat about me bub. I've killed many predators in my time. Probably before you were even born. However in my latter yrs, not so much. As I prefer to take their pics. Now speaking of "know it all" Appears even w/o seeing the O.P's dead deer & kill scene in PERSON. You come to the conclusion it was killed & DRAGGED by a Bobcat. Priceless.
Oh & Check mate
What isn't "plausable" Is a Bobcat dragging a full grown deer 15-20yrds
Check mate
actualy it is have seen it several times on deer sheep and antelope what i dont find plausible is someone happens to come and find a lion kill in tennesee or how a guy who sits in his truck or is giveing advice based on nothing but takeing pictures from county roads or road ditches feels he is such an expert after around 5 coyotes under his belt but 47 years of hunting? im sorry stalking takeing pictures what ever you feel like calling it could convince himself from a persons story yet not seing what actualy happend or the the kill or kill site could asume it is a lion after seeing no pictures of the deer no accurate weight or even if it was drug in the first place. i find that funny i also find it funny that teveryone asumes its a lion many necropsys performed have stunned folks when what appeard to be the culprit was anoteh rspecies. well kirby you win again with your infinate wisdom again we disagree and again you aint got me fooled with your armchair knowlege. let the games begin ill prolly get banned for this post lol but i have a hard time with bullshitters
Well now, ye old pot calling the kettle black are we
Oh & Check mate
cawilson82
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Let's say a 25# bobcat to be safe for both sides. Not huge but not small. Now that cat could easily move twice his body weight with each leg no doubt. Now all four of those legs plus neck and back muscles working together could easily move a 100# deer. If that isn't logical enough I don't know what is. I understand it could be a cougar but the realistic chancesof thatare so astronomical its just really doubtful.
Chupathingy
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Originally Posted By: RB9 I'm guessing there was maybe 15 # of meat gone.
Well that's it, Mystery solved! He was hit by an HMR..........Buddy just never heard the shot because it was taken from 1,500 yards.
Chupa
Well that's it, Mystery solved! He was hit by an HMR..........Buddy just never heard the shot because it was taken from 1,500 yards.
Chupa
Originally Posted By: kirbyOriginally Posted By: ChilsonOriginally Posted By: kirbyOriginally Posted By: Chilsonbobcats kill much like lions stlk then come from the cover and bite the base of the skull as well as the throat just back of the jaws over the larynx. This could result from catching the prey after it falls, or it may be individual bobcat behavior. claw marks on the back or shoulders are not uncommon from bobcats tend to secure a lethal hold on the neck or throat and hang on until the prey stops struggling. Frequently, when bobcats secure a grip over the larynx bobcat’s canine teeth are normally about 3/4 to 1 inch apart. Generally, an estimate of this spacing is easier to tell the diffrence between kills from fox and coyotes bobcats do kill adult deer and antelope often they attack larger prey much like cougars by leaping on the back or shoulders and commonly leave claw marks On small prey there may be claw marks on any part of the body but they are usually concentrated on the neck shoulders and ribs. they will eat the hindquarters and like the cat family are pretty clean. i think you have a bobcat kill a lion kill doesnt seem plausable in your part of the country im shure alot of folks will say diffrent everyone has an opinion.
What isn't "plausable" Is a Bobcat dragging a full grown deer 15-20yrds
Check mate
actualy it is have seen it several times on deer sheep and antelope what i dont find plausible is someone happens to come and find a lion kill in tennesee or how a guy who sits in his truck or is giveing advice based on nothing but takeing pictures from county roads or road ditches feels he is such an expert after around 5 coyotes under his belt but 47 years of hunting? im sorry stalking takeing pictures what ever you feel like calling it could convince himself from a persons story yet not seing what actualy happend or the the kill or kill site could asume it is a lion after seeing no pictures of the deer no accurate weight or even if it was drug in the first place. i find that funny i also find it funny that teveryone asumes its a lion many necropsys performed have stunned folks when what appeard to be the culprit was anoteh rspecies. well kirby you win again with your infinate wisdom again we disagree and again you aint got me fooled with your armchair knowlege. let the games begin ill prolly get banned for this post lol but i have a hard time with bullshitters
Well now, ye old pot calling the kettle black are we
You don't know squat about me bub. I've killed many predators in my time. Probably before you were even born. However in my latter yrs, not so much. As I prefer to take their pics. Now speaking of "know it all" Appears even w/o seeing the O.P's dead deer & kill scene in PERSON. You come to the conclusion it was killed & DRAGGED by a Bobcat. Priceless.
Oh & Check mate
i dont wanna know squat about you actualy i wouldnt take a squat on you not worth my time. ive seen many bobcat lion coyote and domesticated dog kills given the description and the area it shurely doesnt sound plausible a lion did it so i suggested a bobcat could have possibly done it who knows could be coyotes but lets be realistic here what is interpreted as "drag marks" could simply be where the deer was overcome and the struggle began. i wont get any deeper in it but i gave my suggestion and you youreself voted a lion did it without seeing anything either i call that priceless.....but hey kirby no hard feelings i dont think much of you you dont think much of me but hey ill talk at you later you must be real buisy this time of year giveing advice oh bye the way didint you state on this forum you only caled in and shot 5 coyotes? wow thats a ton..........have fun now im going to check traps ta ta kirby
What isn't "plausable" Is a Bobcat dragging a full grown deer 15-20yrds
Check mate
actualy it is have seen it several times on deer sheep and antelope what i dont find plausible is someone happens to come and find a lion kill in tennesee or how a guy who sits in his truck or is giveing advice based on nothing but takeing pictures from county roads or road ditches feels he is such an expert after around 5 coyotes under his belt but 47 years of hunting? im sorry stalking takeing pictures what ever you feel like calling it could convince himself from a persons story yet not seing what actualy happend or the the kill or kill site could asume it is a lion after seeing no pictures of the deer no accurate weight or even if it was drug in the first place. i find that funny i also find it funny that teveryone asumes its a lion many necropsys performed have stunned folks when what appeard to be the culprit was anoteh rspecies. well kirby you win again with your infinate wisdom again we disagree and again you aint got me fooled with your armchair knowlege. let the games begin ill prolly get banned for this post lol but i have a hard time with bullshitters
Well now, ye old pot calling the kettle black are we
Oh & Check mate
i dont wanna know squat about you actualy i wouldnt take a squat on you not worth my time. ive seen many bobcat lion coyote and domesticated dog kills given the description and the area it shurely doesnt sound plausible a lion did it so i suggested a bobcat could have possibly done it who knows could be coyotes but lets be realistic here what is interpreted as "drag marks" could simply be where the deer was overcome and the struggle began. i wont get any deeper in it but i gave my suggestion and you youreself voted a lion did it without seeing anything either i call that priceless.....but hey kirby no hard feelings i dont think much of you you dont think much of me but hey ill talk at you later you must be real buisy this time of year giveing advice oh bye the way didint you state on this forum you only caled in and shot 5 coyotes? wow thats a ton..........have fun now im going to check traps ta ta kirby
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Grizzly Johnson
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Here is what was posted on TnDeer:
This is what I know so far, it, whatever it is, has killed 2 horses, about 40 sheep, and a truckload of chickens.
So, something is killin' critters around here, I don't know what, but there have been some kills credited to this "wild animal" they are calling it.
They said it was pretty gruesome kill sites, too.
Ya'll heard anything about it?
This is what I know so far, it, whatever it is, has killed 2 horses, about 40 sheep, and a truckload of chickens.
So, something is killin' critters around here, I don't know what, but there have been some kills credited to this "wild animal" they are calling it.
They said it was pretty gruesome kill sites, too.
Ya'll heard anything about it?
cawilson82
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When it comes to animals and their habits and abilities chilson is a pretty Dang educated man. Heck he's not even a predator caller buy I imagine with his knowledge of cats and coyotes he could pick up a call and gun and kill as many coyotes and cats as anyone. Only person with a reputable argument that it could be a lion is chupa and even he states it was a released pet.
cawilson82
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Grusome kill sites sounds bear or feral dogs. Size and breed of horse and cattle would be more informative. These string of tales comes through these parts about every ten years.
Originally Posted By: Chilson i think you have a bobcat kill a lion kill doesnt seem plausable in your part of the country im shure alot of folks will say diffrent everyone has an opinion.
Whoop there it is in black & white.
After a feeble attempt by you to deminish my own opinion. Which btw some other members also agreed with me. Then to bolster your self anointed opinion. You further lob out other possible scenarios as to what killed the O.P's deer. Well which is it, pick one & stick to 'er bub.
BTW, check mate.
Whoop there it is in black & white.
After a feeble attempt by you to deminish my own opinion. Which btw some other members also agreed with me. Then to bolster your self anointed opinion. You further lob out other possible scenarios as to what killed the O.P's deer. Well which is it, pick one & stick to 'er bub.
BTW, check mate.
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No but I could use a pen pal?
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Getting back to the OP.
There is a web site called "The Cougar Network" Alot of good info on there. There is also a (clickable) map of documented sightings & or puma sign. Pumas have been offically recorded from the Canadian Border to the Gulf of Mexico. Also a few sightings just East of the Mississippi.
Then some down in Florida & the upper East coast.
Now for the sake of discussion. I find it hard to believe there are no pumas just East of the Mississippi. Such as in Tennesee/Kentucky. Just because there may not be any "official sighting(s)". Does not mean there are not any in those states.
Supposidly in Iowa there aren't any "wolves" Yet I've personally seen 3 lone wolves over many yrs time span.
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Getting back to the OP.
There is a web site called "The Cougar Network" Alot of good info on there. There is also a (clickable) map of documented sightings & or puma sign. Pumas have been offically recorded from the Canadian Border to the Gulf of Mexico. Also a few sightings just East of the Mississippi.
Then some down in Florida & the upper East coast.
Now for the sake of discussion. I find it hard to believe there are no pumas just East of the Mississippi. Such as in Tennesee/Kentucky. Just because there may not be any "official sighting(s)". Does not mean there are not any in those states.
Supposidly in Iowa there aren't any "wolves" Yet I've personally seen 3 lone wolves over many yrs time span.
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