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No cougars in New York, either, according to DEC, but quite a few have been seen by people who are credible. I took a picture from a person who photographed one on the edge of his lawn. He showed the picture to a conservation officer friend of mine who said "That's all very good, George, but our official position is there are no mountain lions in New York State."
 
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There has been a couple of sightings of Cougers in Indiana in the past couple years. One was on a DNR trail cam. But the state still says we don't have any.
 
WOW, is all I can say. All the poor OP (RB9) was doing was asking for some advice/opinions/comments/suggestions/HELP and look what happened.

Ok so a "field road" means a dirt path of some sort used by tractors/ATVs/private party vehicles of land owners.
I got that.
I still think it was a large canine. Maybe could be a cougar or possibly a pack of coyotes?

I wish you all the luck RB9 in finding out what actually killed that deer. I hope it is not something that could lead to being a threat to your buddy's or your's family.

Best wishes,
Wayne
 
Originally Posted By: kirbyOriginally Posted By: Chilson i think you have a bobcat kill a lion kill doesnt seem plausable in your part of the country im shure alot of folks will say diffrent everyone has an opinion.

Whoop there it is in black & white.

After a feeble attempt by you to deminish my own opinion. Which btw some other members also agreed with me. Then to bolster your self anointed opinion. You further lob out other possible scenarios as to what killed the O.P's deer. at Well which is it, pick one & stick to 'er bub.

BTW, check mate.

keyword "think" i did not say it was. i only stated what it could be bobcat seems more realistic given what info we have and bye the way just because the majority rules doesnt mean they are right are you a follower kirby? at least i have my own opinion and experience to back it up a part of the country not known for a large lion population nor is there solid evidence or lions being there but ther could possibly be lions there dont mean it was a lion. claw marks on the shoulder sounds like a bobcat given there isnt ahigh lion population sounds very possible the "dragmarks" could simply not be drag marks could be where the deer was overcom bye the bobcat and the struggle began and ended and yes i have seen bobcats drag deer antelope and sheep a considerable distace its not uncommon i have seen them do amazeing things trapping them takeing drags up trees not just light ones either and many other things the portion of the hind quarter eaten is not a big deal cats commonly return to eat several times a day. given the information sounds LIKE a bobcat can i be shure? [beeep] no but given that tennesee may not have lions sounds a little more realistic i have no problem lobbing out all scenarios its something called possibilitys might as well take the information at hand and theres not much and come to a reasonable conclusion we dont just look at any duck and say "thats a mallard" or in your case "a lion" . kirby it shure is nice and kinda heart warming that you try to dazze everyone with your "brilliance"
we disagree over a few things mabe most things and you feel im trying to "deminish" your opinion but it does appear to me youre doing that your own yourself i noticed you were in the houndsman forum i think a month ago (pardon me im not in here much) and giveing advice on dogs so youre a spot and stalker, a caller , a photogropher and biologist as well as a houndsmen? better pick one and stick to her bub. bye the way still you aint got me fooled. you can call youre next post a checkmate ill let you get the last word you seem like that kinda guy so ill say it for you "check mate" look forward to seeing new pictures ive just seen the old ones over and over

to the poster again you may consider contacting youre countty trapper you can do some bye looking up usdas wildlife services or contact a game warden to have a look it never hurts and you can get alot better answers instead of speculation who know sprolly prove us all wrong a necropsy if they are willing to do so would answe most of the questions raised
 
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Best bet is to put a trail camera over looking the Deer carcass....I would stake it down because several Coyotes will in fact drag it further off a roadway into the woods.My guesses on what could have killed the Deer would be Coyote,Bear,Bobcat or possibly Mountain Lion/Cougar?



The Deer could very well have been hit by a car/truck and limped off and another animal finished it off...we have some pretty good size Bobcats here in Missouri that would be able to take down a Deer in my opinion....and since most talked about a Mountain Lion/Cougar,our Missouri Dept of Conservation stated for many years we didn't have any here in Missouri.Now they have a Big Article in their Magazine on what to do if You should encounter one!

There has also been several sited in Missouri,one shot and killed and another live trapped and released!Never say Never when it comes to Wild Animals!
 
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well kirby i got to say " i'm sorry, shouldnt have said your a idiot" i was tired and should have just went on instead of posting.
kirby i havent ever met you so i really know nothing about you except what you have written here on pm, and for some reason you just rub me wrong with the things you say but still no reason to call names.
i have no idea what killed the deer, sounds like a cat to me but i have been on calls where people describe the area and when i get there its like they said but different also, so it could be a cat, maybe dogs who knows, but i do know for sure kirby that i bobcat can drag a grown deer, you can call bs if you want but i have seen it and and have gotten pics and video on trail cams, dont look like its easy for them but i have had them drag alot of deer out to the end of a rope where i had staked them down
 
Originally Posted By: ChilsonOriginally Posted By: kirbyOriginally Posted By: Chilsonbobcats kill much like lions stlk then come from the cover and bite the base of the skull as well as the throat just back of the jaws over the larynx. This could result from catching the prey after it falls, or it may be individual bobcat behavior. claw marks on the back or shoulders are not uncommon from bobcats tend to secure a lethal hold on the neck or throat and hang on until the prey stops struggling. Frequently, when bobcats secure a grip over the larynx bobcat’s canine teeth are normally about 3/4 to 1 inch apart. Generally, an estimate of this spacing is easier to tell the diffrence between kills from fox and coyotes bobcats do kill adult deer and antelope often they attack larger prey much like cougars by leaping on the back or shoulders and commonly leave claw marks On small prey there may be claw marks on any part of the body but they are usually concentrated on the neck shoulders and ribs. they will eat the hindquarters and like the cat family are pretty clean. i think you have a bobcat kill a lion kill doesnt seem plausable in your part of the country im shure alot of folks will say diffrent everyone has an opinion.

What isn't "plausable" Is a Bobcat dragging a full grown deer 15-20yrds
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actualy it is have seen it several times on deer sheep and antelope what i dont find plausible is someone happens to come and find a lion kill in tennesee or how a guy who sits in his truck or is giveing advice based on nothing but takeing pictures from county roads or road ditches feels he is such an expert after around 5 coyotes under his belt but 47 years of hunting? im sorry stalking takeing pictures what ever you feel like calling it could convince himself from a persons story yet not seing what actualy happend or the the kill or kill site could asume it is a lion after seeing no pictures of the deer no accurate weight or even if it was drug in the first place. i find that funny i also find it funny that teveryone asumes its a lion many necropsys performed have stunned folks when what appeard to be the culprit was anoteh rspecies. well kirby you win again with your infinate wisdom again we disagree and again you aint got me fooled with your armchair knowlege. let the games begin ill prolly get banned for this post lol but i have a hard time with BS
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I agree with your last remark. You should be banned for cursing.
 
No hard feelings here, trapper2.

However, Chilson is full of himself. I simply stated my OWN opinion, like many others done in this thread. Then he commensed with his personal attacks on my credibility & experience.
 
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Originally Posted By: doggin coyotesI can't take it any longer. I've got a confession.

I did it! I killed the damm deer! Happy now?

I knew it all along...........and you said you were in Houston. lol
 
Originally Posted By: rpc55 Originally Posted By: doggin coyotesI can't take it any longer. I've got a confession.

I did it! I killed the damm deer! Happy now?

I knew it all along...........and you said you were in Houston. lol

Wait until catwhacker finds the one I killed in Michigan.
 
Well, if your trail cam takes a photo of that cougar, be sure to post it here. You had one cougar pass through there and kill a deer. It was likely feeding on the deer, but spooked when you approached the scene.
 
VarmintsBeware- Not to be argumentative , but wouldn't you expect to see leg wounds ( bites ) from canines? This took place about 3/4 of a mile from my home so I'd like to think I was familiar with all the local critters, but this deal is weird.

To All - I went back today to look things over ( didn't have time yesterday ). The entire carcass was gone. No sign of where it went. I looked the area over pretty good & couldn't find anything. I mean I would normally expect to find some scattered pieces of bone or hide or see where it was dragged off. There was nothing left but the hair that was there Monday and the stink ( it's been warm here). Called my buddy & he didn't dispose of it .So we may never know.

RichCronk - You really think it was a cougar? I've never seen one but if there's one around I'd like to know. I've got cattle & horses to worry about.
 
Did you look for buzzards? It's probably in a tree somewhere nearby. Either that or it was aliens that visited to take a whitetail deer for analysis and genetic manipulation.
 
Buddy of mine shot a doe once with a muzzleloader and we gutted her in an opening and stashed her in the bushes so nobody would take her and went back in the woods. That evening I saw a decent bear about 1/2 mile away from the truck and passed it since season wasn't in. I got bored and scouted my way around and went back to the gutpile over a mile from the bear sighting. It was gone, so I worked my way back to the vehicle and my buddy called on the radio asking where his deer was. I thought he was joking with me. I met up with him and the deer was gone, no drags or any sign anywhere. We just knew his deer was stolen by a hunter. The next day we found his deer about 150yds away from where we hid it. The bear had picked it up and carried it away and chewed the inside of the hams and the ribcage and the area where he shot it in the neck. It was covered in pine needles and leaves and tucked back under the brush. I've since seen several whole deer carcasses hidden like this under stumps and in the brush. Sounds like a bear may have moved it. I also wouldn't dismiss a cat yet either. I've personally seen animals that don't exist in Virginia according to the maps and the game commission and one was a quite large feline with a tail about 3' long and protruding shoulder blades when it walked and was solid black. I believe the Guberment guys call them Melanistic magnum bobcats around here
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. I guess that is why the park rangers around here are running around with suppressed firearms on the hunting restricted Blue Ridge Parkway around the major hiking trails
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BBK -- I looked for buzzards but didn't see any.Thats kind of weird because they usually camp out for 2 weeks on the coyotes I kill. They don't ever leave with a whole coyote either. This whole carcass , whatever was left of it , was gone. Spine ,skull , ribs , leg bones, everything gone. I've found dead deer before & the critters scatter the remains out over an acre or more but there's sign. That's what's weird here. There was 20 yards of sign that a blind man could follow and not a clue prior to or after this sign. The beginning of the sign was just the start of a drag path maybe 16" wide. It was in knee high grass & didn't start with a bed or a large wallowed down spot, it just started. It ended at the dead deer. Today it looked the same except the deer was gone . There was an impression where the deer had been laying but no deer & no other sign. I've been outdoors all my 40something years & this isn't like anything I've ever seen.
 


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