Jimmy Houston I used to have a little respect for the man.

I watched my last big game hunting video three years ago. Why? I was in East Texas helping out with the Columbia Space Shuttle recovery. There were many high fenced game farms. One in particular required we be let on the ranch by the manager. As my crews were searching the ranch for pieces of the shuttle, I talked with the manager. He was a wildlife biologist and our discussion naturally led in that direction. I had noticed feeders all over the ranch, with shooting blinds close by. He whipped out a photo album with pictures of all the "big whitetail bucks" on the place. Beside each picture was the feeder number, time the deer comes each day to feed and distance the stand was from the feeder. It appeared they had cameras set up at each feeder to record this information. He also said, "this nice buck here is a $10,000 buck" and on and on. Made me sick when he informed me that many of the Wal Mart hunting video's are filmed on the ranch. We had to be off the ranch on Friday afternoon as hunters were coming in that evening to turkey hunt the followting day. It just so happened, I ate lunch close to the "turkey" enclosure. I would gobble at the turkeys and the toms would walk right upto my truck to grab the pieces of bread I was throwing out. You guessed it. These were the very same turkeys that were being hunted the next day.

A fool is only a fool when he knows the truth and chooses not to change his actions. I haven't watched a big game hunting video since!
 
This video makes my blood boil! I hope thats the last I see of Jimmy Houston. I think peta is going to have a hay day with this one. How can someone brag about taking an animal this way? One Shot Paul.
 
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I guess it boils down to the old saying -money is the root of all evil- Mike



Mike I agree with you 100%.

Just wanted to point out that the "old saying" is really a verse from the bible that is more times than not mis-quoted. It goes...."For the love of money is the root of all evil"

For those of you who say you don't ever watch big game videos for this reason. Believe me there are still good producers of real hunting videos out there. Don't blame the whole industry for the actions of a few idiots!!

Chuck
 
Ok I had to download that new flash player as well....Pretty disgusting,I have seen Kieth Warren hunting in enclosures this small before as well,both a couple of pigs and they do nothing for our sport.
 
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I watched it yesterday. He's sitting in a treestand with a bow as deer run back and forth below him in an enclosure.
He wants to shoot a buck with a huge, reindeer-like rack, but it keeps running by and encountering a fence. According to the page there is bait in the leaves also. Don't know why he needs bait when he's in an enclosure that looks to be about 1 acre.



So what did he do wrong? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

As far as the other violations by others,should we ban hunting just because a few break the law? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

One guy might not like high fence hunting and use this as an excuse to ban it,another might not like using dogs for hunting,so uses an incident by a unresponsible dog hunter to get it banned,another might not like night hunting coyotes,so uses a hunting accident to get his point across to ban it,another might not like trapping and finds out a trapper unwittingly trapped a pet,so uses the sensationalism and negativity to get trapping banned.

There are many things that happen and done by uncaring,unscrupulous people,should we go and punish everyone else who are doing it within the law.We'd all be sitting at home doing nothing because someone ruined it for the rest of us.For hunters and sportsmen to be trying to get things banned because they dont agree with a practice as infighting amonst us all,and very detrimental to us all.I believe punish the people who operated outside the law,but dont go and try to eliminate some that is legal,even though it isnt your cup of tea,or meets your self imposed set of high standards.
 
Blak, I don't think the original intent of this post was to "ban" anything. I think it was aimed more at boycotting a particular TV personality because of his double-standard hunting ethics. What he portrays on his TV show is edited in such a way as to disguise the "real" truth of his so-called "hunt".
 
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What he portrays on his TV show is edited in such a way as to disguise the "real" truth of his so-called "hunt".



And others dont?He just got caught.If he and others showed what there hunt really consited of most "REAL" hunters wouldnt watch it.
 
Absolutely agree. A purgative and a good high colonic would really do a lot to clean up the TV hunting show industry. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif I look forward to seeing future undercover disclosures. These guys need to know how we feel about their phony "hunts".
 
I think he also fishes out of a bath tub.

The hunting videos are no differant than the hunting shows where they are hunting for a "management buck". Then they tell them which blind over looking which feeder to sit at and describe the very buck they want them to shoot. Thats easy when they are in a small pen.
 
Jimmy Houston is not the only one. My good friend and fishing partner writes a fishing column for a major newspaper here. He has fished with Babe Winkleman twice. Once in the Lower Niagara River fishing for fall king salmon in Devil's Hole. For YEARS everyone who makes that drift either uses large Kwikfish lures or salmon eggs depending on what the fish like that day. Well the day Winkleman fished and film this outing the fishing was slow however they did catch one large king salmon on a Kwikfish lure. But when his show aired this episode he said on the show his lure the "Shadling" that his company makes out fished everything that day 4 to 1.

His "Shadling" was also out fished with local favorites on Lake Erie for walleyes but his show told a differnt story then also. It's all about the money.

BTW when we use to make a annual trip to the Cleveland Sportsman show in March we met up with Babe Winkleman at the hotel night club where he had TWO ladies of the night all over him. That was when he was married to his first wife Charlie (boy was she HOT). So when I see him on his hunting shows now I take everything he says and does with a grain of salt.
 
NASA,

I come from a dog hunting family myself.
The coyote chases here are for getting young dogs up to speed -not- killing as you said.
The comment was made to me and as i said i stood there puzzled.
Blakcoyote ,
I'm going to disagree w/you somewhat about -it looks like we are fighting amongst ourselves and that being detrimental to us all-.
If a hunter or hunters do something that goes against the vast majority of hunters ethics ,I don't think the majority of hunters should stick up for the jimmy houstons just because we're all hunters.Just my opinion. Mike
 
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I would never participate in such a thing, but, if it's legal.....

I definitely have a problem with this type of thing being presented as hunting. This is just the (rather inefficient) slaughter of livestock, IMHO.

Not being much of a TV watcher, I have not seen many hunting shows, but the few I have seen are nothing like this. I recently watched one portraying an elk hunt in WY where the "chase" was 3 days long, covering many miles.
 
What I am talking about is using dogs to chase and kill coyotes. If you wanna let the dogs run the coyotes, go head. Just don't use the dogs to kill, or don't have a hunter kill the coyote.
 
I'm having a hard time making the distinction.

Decoy dogs run after coyotes, then get the coyotes to chase them. The coyotes follow the dogs to the hunter, who shoots it. This is OK.

Chase hounds scent out a coyote and begin chasing it. The hunter tries to pick a point of interception. The dogs chase the coyote towards the hunter, who shoots it. This is not OK.

The only variance is which animal approaches the hunter first; the dog or the coyote. Other than that, /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif I cannot fathom the difference. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
 
I guess the main difference is this, with a decoy, the coyote has the option of following the dog in, or not. With chase hounds, well, it is run or die. Not a very good option there.

Also, I have seen pictures of the way Mike Granger hunts (BTW, there are others, not just him, he is the only one that comes to mind.) and I feel that he would be out there hunting with or without Bubba. There are also posts in other forums here with chase dogs, where the dogs got the coyote cornered and then killed it. Where is the "sportsman" in this, letting the dogs do all the work? I personally would not derive any enjoyment out of watching 5 dogs maul and kill a coyote. Why not go down to the local meth cookers and bet on the dog fights? To me, it is the very same thing.

These are just my opinions, and again, I didn't mean to drag Mike into this. I hope that no ill feelings nor any bad posts about his method or style of hunting are brought about from my mentioning of him or Bubba.

I hope that I have been able to justify my opinion to you NASA, as it is kind of a complex deal. Another kicker is it is okay to hunt coons and squirrels with dogs, but not coyotes. Again, it is kind of the same thing, but in my mind, there is enough of a difference to justify it. I might just be holding ole wiley in to high of regards.

I welcome all opinions, but I would prefer no personal attacks. (NASA, I don't feel that it is an attack, so please continue if I haven't properly explained myself. I just added the previous statement to keep it civil with some others that might want to start.)
 
Different strokes for different folks. I see Jeff's opinion. But to me a coon running up a tree to get away from the dogs only to be shot out of the tree anyway is no different than a coyote running into a culvert or hole in the rock. It is still a sport. Different from what you or i areuse to, but should be respected as a legal method of hunting even if you dont like it. not your cup O tea then don't do it. I for one dont much care for chasing yotes with hounds. It's not the chase I dont care for it's the method of the kill (dog on dog's). But I have an open enough mind to want to attend Vargys BBQ and see what it's all about for my self and not be judgemental about it. some only hunt for the fur while others like me use a 338 and blow the crapola out of them. Different strokes for different folks.
 
Well I can add that I use dogs to bay coon and I have for 16 years. There is more to it then just letting a dog tree a coon to be shot. There is training the dog to do this task, which isn't done over night in 99% of all cases. It is the bonding of me and the dog, and Yes the chase.

There are a lot of guys around here that use dogs to chase yotes as well. From what I have been told they track and chase the yote, the hunters get into position ahead of the yote and shoot him as he comes across the field, this isn't my cup of tea, but coon hunting with dogs is and is a part of my family's lifestyle, we all go, my wife, and all of my children, except the 3 month old, she is a little young. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Later,
3rd Alarm
 
Crapshoot is dead on the money. We have all been brought up differently, and everyone has a different but equally respected idea of hunting. I am not saying we need to outlaw the use of dogs, I am just saying I am 100% against the use of chase dogs.
 
This on about as low...one of the most well known and respected(now) hunting operations in FL was once fined $50,000 and I think shut down for a while. What happened was...they had this regular client who said he'd pay almost any price to kill a Lion but didn't want to go through all the trouble of flying to Africa (this was 25yrs ago) So..the owner of the outfit, yep, you guessed it...bought an old aged male Lion from some zoo in the southeast US. shipped it to the operation and turned it loose in a one acre pen. This in itself aint bad cause the whole operation is on an island I think 400 acres. Well they couldn't get the Lion to act "lion-ly"...basically he didn't want to stand up! So they put him in a cage hidden in the bushes and when the "hunter" was ready with his big ol 416 double rifle, one of the "guides actually hit the poor thing with a cattle prod from behind..supposedly on the anus. Well of course the thing roared and charged out the door right toward the shooter who then proceeded to miss with both shots almost killing the dumb*** with the cattle prod! It ran to the edge of the river and just stood there just wondering if it could swim to shore I guess as they blasted it four times before killing it. Sad..just goes to show how low some will go for a "trophy" and how low some will go for money.
 
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