Jimmy Houston I used to have a little respect for the man.
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well i think jimmy houston will go the way noel feather went
noel got popped a few years ago for shooting a pen raised deer in missouri,,,BUT he bought the deer in illinois took it across to missouri,,,shot it,,,loaded the dead deer up and came back to illinois and tried to tag it as a bow killed deer in illinois!!!
after all this came out to the public noel feather was ruined,,,all his endorsements,,video's,,,and anything he was ever part of went out the window
so as far as im concerned i hope jimmy houstons life goes out the window too
Ohiobob
noel got popped a few years ago for shooting a pen raised deer in missouri,,,BUT he bought the deer in illinois took it across to missouri,,,shot it,,,loaded the dead deer up and came back to illinois and tried to tag it as a bow killed deer in illinois!!!
after all this came out to the public noel feather was ruined,,,all his endorsements,,video's,,,and anything he was ever part of went out the window
so as far as im concerned i hope jimmy houstons life goes out the window too
Ohiobob
This has been getting its fair share on the bowsite also..heres what the man had to say.... An Open Letter from Jimmy Houston
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During the first week of February, we received a message from Kyle Crawford about a vicious attack against Mothwing and me by the National Wildlife Federation, PETA and "concerned" hunters.
I asked Kyle to get me the numbers of those who sent e-mails and I would call them. I called every number he gave me on Friday, February 3. Naturally several of the numbers were probably PETA affiliated, some were not available or didn't answer, but I did get to talk to eight or ten actual hunters. I didn't ask these guys to alter their opinion or their passion. I simply wanted them to know the facts from me.
First, I want to apologize to any hunter or non-hunter who has been personally hurt or damaged by my deer hunt at Bellars. The primary inference on the video produced by the National Wildlife Federation is that I shot or was hunting drugged deer and that I
was doing it in a 3-6 acre pen.
1. The Federal Drug Administration asked me for three packages of the meat to test for drugs. I had no idea what drugs they were testing for - I actually thought they might be looking for a steroid maybe used in raising big deer. They tested the meat and found no drugs. Then they asked me if I would give them the rest of the meat. I voluntarily did this and this meat was also tested. I specifically asked the FDA agent at the trial if any drugs were found in my meat and he told me NO-there was none. By the
way, we had already eaten some of the meat and it was perfectly ok.
2. I was not hunting in a 3-6 acre pen. We were hunting in a high-fenced area and the stand that they had me in was within 10 yards of a fence. This fence went over the hill and we could not see how far it went. As I testified in the trial, we went over the hill and never did reach the other end of the high fence. There is no way I could estimate the size of the area. It could be 50 acres, it could be 500 acres. The entire high fence area, as I was told was 1200 acres, but, yes, there were section fences. The fence that is seen on the video is the same fence we were beside. There is video shot in one direction and video shot in the other
direction of the same fence. Bear in mind that the camera was in a different stand than the one I was in. I got in this tree stand at 7AM on this morning and shot the deer at 11:10. That is over 4 hours. It was 20 degrees.
3. Russ Bellar did come out and check on us around 9:00AM. We saw several deer; we even saw a deer go under the fence. The buck I shot was a 6 ½ or 7 ½ year old buck and was chasing a doe. There were literally hundreds of deer on Bellars place. At the time, nothing seemed unusual other than it was really cold. I completely agree with all hunters about shooting drugged deer in pens. This is wrong. I share your same passion and have spent my entire life hunting and have worked diligently to promote,
protect and preserve this great heritage.
Have I ever broken a law or been put in an awkward position? Of course. Should I be singled out and crucified for hunting at Bellars where hundreds of others have hunted? I don't believe so.
From the very first day I was contacted by the Federal Wildlife Department, I have cooperated fully and truthfully. I was always called "a witness and or a victim" by the prosecution and I did testify for the state. This is indeed very hurtful when you have given your entire life to the promotion and betterment of hunting and fishing.
We see on television every day where individuals attack, blow up, kill and maim people all over the world. We call these folks terrorists and wonder how anyone could develop that much hate. Yet with a few seconds of produced video, hate has welled up so much in some as to want to destroy me, our television show, and any company we are involved with.
Again, if I have hurt anyone, I apologize and ask your forgiveness.
By the way, we did not air that hunt on television and never portrayed any pictures to anyone as fair chase, high fence or otherwise. I just learned this week that the picture was on some websites and asked that it be removed. We decided not air the hunt when we learned there was some controversy surrounding Bellars Place.
Yes, had we known then what we know not, we would not have hunted there but that's why hindsight is 20-20. Was it wrong for me to hunt there? Absolutely!
Obviously this letter won't satisfy everyone, particularly those anti-hunters whose desire is to keep this on the front burners and watch Jimmy burn. They love nothing more than making hunters attack hunters. But, to the real hunters who read this, I apologize for any hurt or disappointment I have caused you.
Good hunting, good fishing and May God Bless!
Best Personal Regards,
"A hundred years from now it will not matter what kind of car I drove, how big my bank account was..but that I was important in the life of a child"
has to say.....
« on: Today at 02:15:01 PM »
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During the first week of February, we received a message from Kyle Crawford about a vicious attack against Mothwing and me by the National Wildlife Federation, PETA and "concerned" hunters.
I asked Kyle to get me the numbers of those who sent e-mails and I would call them. I called every number he gave me on Friday, February 3. Naturally several of the numbers were probably PETA affiliated, some were not available or didn't answer, but I did get to talk to eight or ten actual hunters. I didn't ask these guys to alter their opinion or their passion. I simply wanted them to know the facts from me.
First, I want to apologize to any hunter or non-hunter who has been personally hurt or damaged by my deer hunt at Bellars. The primary inference on the video produced by the National Wildlife Federation is that I shot or was hunting drugged deer and that I
was doing it in a 3-6 acre pen.
1. The Federal Drug Administration asked me for three packages of the meat to test for drugs. I had no idea what drugs they were testing for - I actually thought they might be looking for a steroid maybe used in raising big deer. They tested the meat and found no drugs. Then they asked me if I would give them the rest of the meat. I voluntarily did this and this meat was also tested. I specifically asked the FDA agent at the trial if any drugs were found in my meat and he told me NO-there was none. By the
way, we had already eaten some of the meat and it was perfectly ok.
2. I was not hunting in a 3-6 acre pen. We were hunting in a high-fenced area and the stand that they had me in was within 10 yards of a fence. This fence went over the hill and we could not see how far it went. As I testified in the trial, we went over the hill and never did reach the other end of the high fence. There is no way I could estimate the size of the area. It could be 50 acres, it could be 500 acres. The entire high fence area, as I was told was 1200 acres, but, yes, there were section fences. The fence that is seen on the video is the same fence we were beside. There is video shot in one direction and video shot in the other
direction of the same fence. Bear in mind that the camera was in a different stand than the one I was in. I got in this tree stand at 7AM on this morning and shot the deer at 11:10. That is over 4 hours. It was 20 degrees.
3. Russ Bellar did come out and check on us around 9:00AM. We saw several deer; we even saw a deer go under the fence. The buck I shot was a 6 ½ or 7 ½ year old buck and was chasing a doe. There were literally hundreds of deer on Bellars place. At the time, nothing seemed unusual other than it was really cold. I completely agree with all hunters about shooting drugged deer in pens. This is wrong. I share your same passion and have spent my entire life hunting and have worked diligently to promote,
protect and preserve this great heritage.
Have I ever broken a law or been put in an awkward position? Of course. Should I be singled out and crucified for hunting at Bellars where hundreds of others have hunted? I don't believe so.
From the very first day I was contacted by the Federal Wildlife Department, I have cooperated fully and truthfully. I was always called "a witness and or a victim" by the prosecution and I did testify for the state. This is indeed very hurtful when you have given your entire life to the promotion and betterment of hunting and fishing.
We see on television every day where individuals attack, blow up, kill and maim people all over the world. We call these folks terrorists and wonder how anyone could develop that much hate. Yet with a few seconds of produced video, hate has welled up so much in some as to want to destroy me, our television show, and any company we are involved with.
Again, if I have hurt anyone, I apologize and ask your forgiveness.
By the way, we did not air that hunt on television and never portrayed any pictures to anyone as fair chase, high fence or otherwise. I just learned this week that the picture was on some websites and asked that it be removed. We decided not air the hunt when we learned there was some controversy surrounding Bellars Place.
Yes, had we known then what we know not, we would not have hunted there but that's why hindsight is 20-20. Was it wrong for me to hunt there? Absolutely!
Obviously this letter won't satisfy everyone, particularly those anti-hunters whose desire is to keep this on the front burners and watch Jimmy burn. They love nothing more than making hunters attack hunters. But, to the real hunters who read this, I apologize for any hurt or disappointment I have caused you.
Good hunting, good fishing and May God Bless!
Best Personal Regards,
"A hundred years from now it will not matter what kind of car I drove, how big my bank account was..but that I was important in the life of a child"
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i would accept his apology,,but if he TRULY didn't have a fence going the other way and did nothing wrong,,so he shouldn't have to apologize.
BUT the other idiots I.E.,,the dip head that shot the buck with a blunt arrow,,,the moron that shot the propped up deer even when they re-propped the deer because it was dying,,, and ALL the morons involved in the operation need to be castrated with NO ANESTHETIA (or however you spell it)
and as for the horrible conditions the deer were living in
i know in OHIO people raising deer around here are under strict laws,,, and numerous inspections enforce these laws
BUT i know a guy in illinois that raises deer and they have damn ne'er no inspections and in Ohio you have to have a seperate permit for each deer,,,but from what i hear about illinois they only have to have ONE permit for as many deer as they want to raise.
so untill proven different i would have to believe Jimmy Houston if this letter is truly from him,,is innocent till proven guilty,,,but that is rare with our great judicial system these days
i would accept his apology,,but if he TRULY didn't have a fence going the other way and did nothing wrong,,so he shouldn't have to apologize.
BUT the other idiots I.E.,,the dip head that shot the buck with a blunt arrow,,,the moron that shot the propped up deer even when they re-propped the deer because it was dying,,, and ALL the morons involved in the operation need to be castrated with NO ANESTHETIA (or however you spell it)
and as for the horrible conditions the deer were living in
i know in OHIO people raising deer around here are under strict laws,,, and numerous inspections enforce these laws
BUT i know a guy in illinois that raises deer and they have damn ne'er no inspections and in Ohio you have to have a seperate permit for each deer,,,but from what i hear about illinois they only have to have ONE permit for as many deer as they want to raise.
so untill proven different i would have to believe Jimmy Houston if this letter is truly from him,,is innocent till proven guilty,,,but that is rare with our great judicial system these days
Dogboy
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Jimmy has been hunting and fishing for years. You mean he and his staff didn't think anything was funny before the hunt when he saw the high fences... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
Did Jimmy or his staff do any background or anything else on this place, otherwise he would of seen enough to know something wasn't right.
Fair chase and open country is the only way to go.
Was this fence the standard 3 line barbed wire for cattle etc, or was it taller than the average man????
The longer you have been in the sport the more you should know in my book. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
Did Jimmy or his staff do any background or anything else on this place, otherwise he would of seen enough to know something wasn't right.
Fair chase and open country is the only way to go.
Was this fence the standard 3 line barbed wire for cattle etc, or was it taller than the average man????
The longer you have been in the sport the more you should know in my book. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
Radd4
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I was sickened when I saw that video, /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif These guys cannot under any circumstances call themselves hunters, /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif That video is pretty self explanatory and he needs to come out with something a little bit more convincing than that letter to change my mind. What sucks is he owns the marina here in my home town. I will not ban all outdoor shows; I still believe that guys like Jordan, Waddle, Blanton, Raglin and Jones are real sportsman doing 100% fair chase hunts. I too am against paid guaranteed kills, to me that is not hunting. It is what it is, shooting a caged animal. There is no sport in that, and not the way god intended it to be for real hunters. I do not ever want these fakes and lazy bums to give PETA anymore ammunition to attack real hunters.
Shame on you Jimmy Houston /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Shame on you Jimmy Houston /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
blak coyote
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Two things that are really sad are ...
A) Those hunters who believe that, regardless or size, placing a fence around a piece of property automatically eliminates fair chase and is therefore justification to support efforts to ban such practices.
and
B)Those very same hunters who believe that enclosing a facility eliminates fair chase likely have no problem when it comes to using equipment and other techniques that have the potential to increase their own chances for success.
A) Those hunters who believe that, regardless or size, placing a fence around a piece of property automatically eliminates fair chase and is therefore justification to support efforts to ban such practices.
and
B)Those very same hunters who believe that enclosing a facility eliminates fair chase likely have no problem when it comes to using equipment and other techniques that have the potential to increase their own chances for success.
blak coyote
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Heres another one.For those opposed to high fence,how many have no problem hunting pheasants on private pheasant ranches where birds are raised to be hunted.There is no difference.There just not the Golden calf that deer are.But rest assured gamebird hunting ranches will be another target.
JimT
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Dogboy,
The fence looked like 8' chain link.
I have trouble believing Houston's letter. From the video, the deer ran into a fence going two different directions, so at the least, he was in a corner. It looked to me like an acre enclosure. If it was a larger enclosure, I wonder if Bellars' guys were herding deer to him.
blak coyote,
While put-n-take bird hunts are similar to this, there is not the CWD problem with birds. I can agree with you that if it's legal, they can do it, but the thing is, these guys are breaking the rules and putting the deer population at risk for more disease. They are the ones transporting CWD infected animals from state to state, overcrowding them and not testing them for disease.
The posers on there shooting already wounded or drugged deer, or shooting with blunts should be laughed out of town for not knowing what hunting is about. "I just shot the biggest deer of my life" he said, after hitting a buck square in the belly with a blunt. They disgust me.
The fence looked like 8' chain link.
I have trouble believing Houston's letter. From the video, the deer ran into a fence going two different directions, so at the least, he was in a corner. It looked to me like an acre enclosure. If it was a larger enclosure, I wonder if Bellars' guys were herding deer to him.
blak coyote,
While put-n-take bird hunts are similar to this, there is not the CWD problem with birds. I can agree with you that if it's legal, they can do it, but the thing is, these guys are breaking the rules and putting the deer population at risk for more disease. They are the ones transporting CWD infected animals from state to state, overcrowding them and not testing them for disease.
The posers on there shooting already wounded or drugged deer, or shooting with blunts should be laughed out of town for not knowing what hunting is about. "I just shot the biggest deer of my life" he said, after hitting a buck square in the belly with a blunt. They disgust me.
blak coyote
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JimT I here you on the blunt tip and other things,but just because of a few bad apples,and to ban something because of a minority group is just wrong.As for the CWD,from what I understand it's been out west in the elk herds for years,and they have been dealing with it ok.Here in the east they want to ban baiting now in the name of CWD when they have no direct scientific evidence it caused or spreads CWD.As for the pheasant ranches,some tie the legs of the birds together so they cant run,only fly.As for the disease aspect,there are diseases in birds that can be spread to other birds,I've raised birds years ago and know this.We have this Asian bird flu thing,it's not here yet,but I'm sure it will be.How many exotic hunting ranches exist in Texas,the last I heard over 500,are they spreading diseases.I havent heard nothing that they are.WI is on a CWD panic,over a few deer,and it has been used as a weapon to ban just about all baiting methods and now the DNR want to ban food plots,what next,telling farmers what they can plant.It's just plain stupid the way the DNR and some hunters are reacting to CWD.Not only that it gets into private property rights.We are getting hit by all sides,it's the divide and conquer routine.
JimT
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I hear ya blak coyote.
I guess my problem with this is, they don't follow the rules. Game farms would be fine (for posers) if they'd follow the rules regarding deer density and disease testing.
So, either we need increased enforcement from DNR (which from what I know, they're stretched thin in Indiana at least) or to convince the farms to follow the rules. Good luck with either of those, so what's the solution?
Based on what I've read, I don't think CWD will ever go away, we won't eradicate it anytime soon, if ever. Based on that, eventually it will make it's way east. It's bound to. I'd like to postpone that as long as possible. Game farms are being sloppy, and that's going to speed it up.
I guess my problem with this is, they don't follow the rules. Game farms would be fine (for posers) if they'd follow the rules regarding deer density and disease testing.
So, either we need increased enforcement from DNR (which from what I know, they're stretched thin in Indiana at least) or to convince the farms to follow the rules. Good luck with either of those, so what's the solution?
Based on what I've read, I don't think CWD will ever go away, we won't eradicate it anytime soon, if ever. Based on that, eventually it will make it's way east. It's bound to. I'd like to postpone that as long as possible. Game farms are being sloppy, and that's going to speed it up.
blak coyote
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I think a simple solution is like you said,get rid of the sloopiness.Here in WI,we just had someone cut a fence to a deer farm(not a high fence hunting fac.)and let a bunch of deer out.How do you stop that I dont know.But with the rest,I would think a simple solution to help prevent CWD from spreading to the wild deer would be to create a buffer zone,by putting another fence around the fenced in area,a free zone where no deer can go.If the main fence is breached by a pen deer,you have a second fence that still contains them and you can recover that animal without fear of it getting in the wild and transmitting any thing if they have it and vice versa.
blak coyote
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Yeah or shut them down for non compliance.The DNR fines industries for violations of pollution and such and these game farms are an industry.I dont believe in regulating them to the point it's rediculous but I'm sure it could be done and both sides of the fence (no pun) could be happy.
J. Holly
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Doghelmet and I were talking about this last night and he hadn't seen it, so I dug it up and just made it easy for him to find.
Seems like all of my life I have been making things easy for him. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif
Seems like all of my life I have been making things easy for him. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif
VirginiaCoyote
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"I still believe that guys like Jordan, Waddle, Blanton, Raglin and Jones are real sportsman doing 100% fair chase hunts."
Not on your life, as much as they travel, there is no way in heck they know the land, or have scouted ebough to know it. No one's that good or that lucky; it takes time to pursue a good buck. Nope, if you take any one of those guys mentioned and put them in your neck of the woods without camera's, scattered corn, or food plots and they wouldn't shoot anything. They pay to go were they "need" to get the right footage to sale their stuff. Let's say it is fair chase, give them the benefit of the doubt, they're still paying someone to guide, or paying to hunt land that hasn't been disturbed. As mentioned already before in this thread it's all about money.
"I still believe that guys like Jordan, Waddle, Blanton, Raglin and Jones are real sportsman doing 100% fair chase hunts."
Not on your life, as much as they travel, there is no way in heck they know the land, or have scouted ebough to know it. No one's that good or that lucky; it takes time to pursue a good buck. Nope, if you take any one of those guys mentioned and put them in your neck of the woods without camera's, scattered corn, or food plots and they wouldn't shoot anything. They pay to go were they "need" to get the right footage to sale their stuff. Let's say it is fair chase, give them the benefit of the doubt, they're still paying someone to guide, or paying to hunt land that hasn't been disturbed. As mentioned already before in this thread it's all about money.