What part of Nebraska are you in? There will be a 2 day class being put on by Jim See (a very well known PRS shooter) around the Orient, South Dakota area the weekend of May 21st and 22nd. It's a $300 two day course. If you are interested PM me and I'll forward you the details.
Long range shooting
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Originally Posted By: WinDrummersscoyote: nice shooting! That's a pretty interesting-looking setup, what's the thinking behind no stock? I'm not familiar with that gun layout.
Sorry I forgot to specify: my .22-250 is a 26" fluted heavy barrel Savage with 1:8" twist, so I was thinking of trying out some of the 75-90gn bullets like the A-MAX, VLD match, or MatchKing. Are these worthwhile trying out, or is the wind-drift just too much with this smaller caliber, despite the higher BC offerings? As you all know, talk is cheap so I'm really interested to hear from the experience crowd before I exhaust 3-6 different bullets to find out that my caliber just isn't up to it. Any experiences, stories, comments are greatly appreciated
WD, that's a Savage Super-Striker with a 15.5" McGowen 8T barrel. Problem is with that thumbhole stock system and heavy barrel it's really just too heavy to shoot off a tall Harris bipod effectively--but great from prone. I don't consider this setup more than a 600-yd. system though. I did have a 6.5-284 Win. XP-100 that I absolutely loved for coyote hunting to longer ranges even and now a 6.5 WSM. Most rifle shooters though are shooting these longer 22 bullets to ranges much farther than 600 as can be seen above.
Sorry I forgot to specify: my .22-250 is a 26" fluted heavy barrel Savage with 1:8" twist, so I was thinking of trying out some of the 75-90gn bullets like the A-MAX, VLD match, or MatchKing. Are these worthwhile trying out, or is the wind-drift just too much with this smaller caliber, despite the higher BC offerings? As you all know, talk is cheap so I'm really interested to hear from the experience crowd before I exhaust 3-6 different bullets to find out that my caliber just isn't up to it. Any experiences, stories, comments are greatly appreciated
WD, that's a Savage Super-Striker with a 15.5" McGowen 8T barrel. Problem is with that thumbhole stock system and heavy barrel it's really just too heavy to shoot off a tall Harris bipod effectively--but great from prone. I don't consider this setup more than a 600-yd. system though. I did have a 6.5-284 Win. XP-100 that I absolutely loved for coyote hunting to longer ranges even and now a 6.5 WSM. Most rifle shooters though are shooting these longer 22 bullets to ranges much farther than 600 as can be seen above.
tugboater
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I got to do some or practicing today! My 1050 yard shooting was a junk show, the wind just ruled me I held my own out to 880 though. I didn't have a barricade to use, so I brought a ladder to practice with, that sucked...!
I was able to make more hits than misses though,from 300 to 600 yrds.
I held my own out to 880 though. I didn't have a barricade to use, so I brought a ladder to practice with, that sucked...!I was able to make more hits than misses though,from 300 to 600 yrds.
tugboater
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I got to do some or practicing today! My 1050 yard shooting was a junk show, the wind just ruled me I held my own out to 880 though. I didn't have a barricade to use, so I brought a ladder to practice with, that sucked...!
I was able to make more hits than misses though,from 300 to 600 yrds.
I held my own out to 880 though. I didn't have a barricade to use, so I brought a ladder to practice with, that sucked...!I was able to make more hits than misses though,from 300 to 600 yrds.
WinDrummer
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Buster Hindend Great to hear and thanks for the recommendation. What did you have to do for glass to reach out to 1,000? Did you have to put on custom bases to be able to dope enough bullet drop? Ideally (and I know this might be asking a lot) I was hoping to be able to reach with my current setup, just noting the number of clicks (and full turns of course, haha) between "hunting" range and "target" range. A couple shots to recheck 0 between outings is fine (would probably need to re-foul the barrel after cleaning anyway), but I really don't want my long-range stuff to prevent me from being able to take the 20-200yd varmint shots.
Thanks again!
Thanks again!
Buster Hindend
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Originally Posted By: WinDrummerBuster Hindend Great to hear and thanks for the recommendation. What did you have to do for glass to reach out to 1,000? Did you have to put on custom bases to be able to dope enough bullet drop? Ideally (and I know this might be asking a lot) I was hoping to be able to reach with my current setup, just noting the number of clicks (and full turns of course, haha) between "hunting" range and "target" range. A couple shots to recheck 0 between outings is fine (would probably need to re-foul the barrel after cleaning anyway), but I really don't want my long-range stuff to prevent me from being able to take the 20-200yd varmint shots.
Thanks again!
All of what your wanting to accomplish is going to depend on your scope. I may have missed it, but I've not seen which scope you will be using. The amount of travel left in your scope will let you know how far you can shoot.
I was using 20 MOA rail and 34mm tubes when shooting that far. Again, it's gonna depend on the amount of travel in your scope. And/or you could dial and hold too. Lots of variables.
Thanks again!
All of what your wanting to accomplish is going to depend on your scope. I may have missed it, but I've not seen which scope you will be using. The amount of travel left in your scope will let you know how far you can shoot.
I was using 20 MOA rail and 34mm tubes when shooting that far. Again, it's gonna depend on the amount of travel in your scope. And/or you could dial and hold too. Lots of variables.
tugboater
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Originally Posted By: Buster HindendOriginally Posted By: WinDrummerBuster Hindend Great to hear and thanks for the recommendation. What did you have to do for glass to reach out to 1,000? Did you have to put on custom bases to be able to dope enough bullet drop? Ideally (and I know this might be asking a lot) I was hoping to be able to reach with my current setup, just noting the number of clicks (and full turns of course, haha) between "hunting" range and "target" range. A couple shots to recheck 0 between outings is fine (would probably need to re-foul the barrel after cleaning anyway), but I really don't want my long-range stuff to prevent me from being able to take the 20-200yd varmint shots.
Thanks again!
All of what your wanting to accomplish is going to depend on your scope. I may have missed it, but I've not seen which scope you will be using. The amount of travel left in your scope will let you know how far you can shoot.
I was using 20 MOA rail and 34mm tubes when shooting that far. Again, it's gonna depend on the amount of travel in your scope. And/or you could dial and hold too. Lots of variables.
If you don't mind me asking Buster, what is your go to Lr scope?
Thanks again!
All of what your wanting to accomplish is going to depend on your scope. I may have missed it, but I've not seen which scope you will be using. The amount of travel left in your scope will let you know how far you can shoot.
I was using 20 MOA rail and 34mm tubes when shooting that far. Again, it's gonna depend on the amount of travel in your scope. And/or you could dial and hold too. Lots of variables.
If you don't mind me asking Buster, what is your go to Lr scope?
Tim Neitzke
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If I was to guess.. it starts with a S & ends with a B .maybe
Buster Hindend
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Originally Posted By: tugboater If you don't mind me asking Buster, what is your go to Lr scope?
I have some Kahles K624I that I really like, but when next to the S&B, everyone talks about how much better the image is vs the Kahles, and they are no slouch.
Originally Posted By: Tim NeitzkeIf I was to guess.. it starts with a S & ends with a B .maybe
Close Tim, it does start with S but end is r..............haha
Originally Posted By: tugboaterOoh.... Nice!
That's going to be the next reason my wife will want to divorce me!!! I got to play with one and it was a little weird, the elevation turret dials backwards. But... I still want one.
The turrets come in either clockwise or counterclockwise, you pick when you buy
I have some Kahles K624I that I really like, but when next to the S&B, everyone talks about how much better the image is vs the Kahles, and they are no slouch.
Originally Posted By: Tim NeitzkeIf I was to guess.. it starts with a S & ends with a B .maybe
Close Tim, it does start with S but end is r..............haha
Originally Posted By: tugboaterOoh.... Nice!
That's going to be the next reason my wife will want to divorce me!!! I got to play with one and it was a little weird, the elevation turret dials backwards. But... I still want one.
The turrets come in either clockwise or counterclockwise, you pick when you buy
Buster Hindend
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I took a guy shooting last week that had never shot past 350 yards
He got hits on the 1,100 and 1,300 plates
As we were loading up, I noticed he had a distant look. I asked what was he thinking. He said he was pondering what he had to do to get a long range rifle. He text me this week asking about scopes.
Another one bites the dust....................
He got hits on the 1,100 and 1,300 plates
As we were loading up, I noticed he had a distant look. I asked what was he thinking. He said he was pondering what he had to do to get a long range rifle. He text me this week asking about scopes.
Another one bites the dust....................
tugboater
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Thanks Buster
Those are sexy no doubt! I have a Kahles K624 also, with skmr 2 retical that I love. But.. That scope next to the S@B I got to play with was no comparison for clarity, it's was S@B all the way.
Thanks for the reply! I'm going to get one some day, and another rifle to put it on
Those are sexy no doubt! I have a Kahles K624 also, with skmr 2 retical that I love. But.. That scope next to the S@B I got to play with was no comparison for clarity, it's was S@B all the way.
Thanks for the reply! I'm going to get one some day, and another rifle to put it on
Buster Hindend
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Originally Posted By: tugboater Thanks Buster
Those are sexy no doubt! I have a Kahles K624 also, with skmr 2 retical that I love. But.. That scope next to the S@B I got to play with was no comparison for clarity, it's was S@B all the way.
Thanks for the reply! I'm going to get one some day, and another rifle to put it on
I had a K624I on one of the 6x47 and I went to shoot with Jeff on a Saturday. He said, "here shoot my rifle" well it had a S&B. We were shooting targets about 940 yards if memory serves, and wow the target was more crisp to my eyes.
Needless to say, on Monday I ordered a PM II
Those are sexy no doubt! I have a Kahles K624 also, with skmr 2 retical that I love. But.. That scope next to the S@B I got to play with was no comparison for clarity, it's was S@B all the way.
Thanks for the reply! I'm going to get one some day, and another rifle to put it on
I had a K624I on one of the 6x47 and I went to shoot with Jeff on a Saturday. He said, "here shoot my rifle" well it had a S&B. We were shooting targets about 940 yards if memory serves, and wow the target was more crisp to my eyes.
Needless to say, on Monday I ordered a PM II
tugboater
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Originally Posted By: Buster HindendOriginally Posted By: tugboater Thanks Buster
Those are sexy no doubt! I have a Kahles K624 also, with skmr 2 retical that I love. But.. That scope next to the S@B I got to play with was no comparison for clarity, it's was S@B all the way.
Thanks for the reply! I'm going to get one some day, and another rifle to put it on
I had a K624I on one of the 6x47 and I went to shoot with Jeff on a Saturday. He said, "here shoot my rifle" well it had a S&B. We were shooting targets about 940 yards if memory serves, and wow the target was more crisp to my eyes.
Needless to say, on Monday I ordered a PM II
Some people get to have all the good toys....! That's awesome!!!!!
My divorce may come sooner than I think.... Or it will be like a bad hair cut and only last a few days!
Those are sexy no doubt! I have a Kahles K624 also, with skmr 2 retical that I love. But.. That scope next to the S@B I got to play with was no comparison for clarity, it's was S@B all the way.
Thanks for the reply! I'm going to get one some day, and another rifle to put it on
I had a K624I on one of the 6x47 and I went to shoot with Jeff on a Saturday. He said, "here shoot my rifle" well it had a S&B. We were shooting targets about 940 yards if memory serves, and wow the target was more crisp to my eyes.
Needless to say, on Monday I ordered a PM II
Some people get to have all the good toys....! That's awesome!!!!!
My divorce may come sooner than I think.... Or it will be like a bad hair cut and only last a few days!
Smokin250
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My wife gave up a lonnnng time ago. She doesn't even ask any more.
"Whats in the box Brian?"
....I Smile
"Never mind..."
One thing to remember about these scopes, They are expensive for a reason. Glassc tracking, reticle....ect cost money. When you have 2k-5k laying there on a bipod and your missing steel at 1000 because you wouldn't cough up a couple extra bucks on a scope that tracks. You will be severally pizzed. I am not saying you have to go the Bender route, but quality route. You can spend a $1k and have a scope that will do it all. But do not be surprised when you lay that scope side by side with a S&B that that Bender makes your pants fit funny. The more you get behind quality scopes the more you start seeing why people are forking over the extra money for a higher end scope.
There are LOTS and LOTS of nice scopes out there, and Lots of expensive scopes. But when it comes down to it, it is about darn hard to fine something that would beat a Bender.
"Whats in the box Brian?"
....I Smile
"Never mind..."
One thing to remember about these scopes, They are expensive for a reason. Glassc tracking, reticle....ect cost money. When you have 2k-5k laying there on a bipod and your missing steel at 1000 because you wouldn't cough up a couple extra bucks on a scope that tracks. You will be severally pizzed. I am not saying you have to go the Bender route, but quality route. You can spend a $1k and have a scope that will do it all. But do not be surprised when you lay that scope side by side with a S&B that that Bender makes your pants fit funny. The more you get behind quality scopes the more you start seeing why people are forking over the extra money for a higher end scope.
There are LOTS and LOTS of nice scopes out there, and Lots of expensive scopes. But when it comes down to it, it is about darn hard to fine something that would beat a Bender.
Buster Hindend
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I'd like to try a Tangent Theta but I'm not crazy about their reticles
Smokin250
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Doug said they were top notch!
Ill tell you another that I was very pleased with was the Vortex GenII Razor. Dang good glass, good magnification range, FFP, great turrets, and not hateful price point if you can find one. Couple of guys at Rayners have them and have let me take a peak through them. Very Very pleased.
Ill tell you another that I was very pleased with was the Vortex GenII Razor. Dang good glass, good magnification range, FFP, great turrets, and not hateful price point if you can find one. Couple of guys at Rayners have them and have let me take a peak through them. Very Very pleased.
Originally Posted By: Smokin250My wife gave up a lonnnng time ago. She doesn't even ask any more.
"Whats in the box Brian?"
....I Smile
"Never mind..."
One thing to remember about these scopes, They are expensive for a reason. Glassc tracking, reticle....ect cost money. When you have 2k-5k laying there on a bipod and your missing steel at 1000 because you wouldn't cough up a couple extra bucks on a scope that tracks. You will be severally pizzed. I am not saying you have to go the Bender route, but quality route. You can spend a $1k and have a scope that will do it all. But do not be surprised when you lay that scope side by side with a S&B that that Bender makes your pants fit funny. The more you get behind quality scopes the more you start seeing why people are forking over the extra money for a higher end scope.
There are LOTS and LOTS of nice scopes out there, and Lots of expensive scopes. But when it comes down to it, it is about darn hard to fine something that would beat a Bender.
I pretty much agree on all points. Well, except for the fact you spell your name wrong. There should be a "Y" where the "i" is, otherwise, you've got it pretty well nailed....
I have a friend that does long range shooting classes and he's told me he cringes when he people show up with off the shelf factory rifles and just, so so, optics. Especially, if they plan on only using hold over instead of dialing in. Said he watches guys get really frustrated when everyone around them is making hits and they're struggling to get close. Not to say factory guns don't or can't shoot well but you substantially increase your odds when you have a rifle capable of, honestly, holding .5 MOA out to the distances you want to shoot. Certainly doesn't mean you need a full blown custom to achieve that kind of accuracy but at the least, a re-barreled semi custom with a decent stock that's worth bedding, built by a reputable gunsmith is typically the least you'll want to start with.
Also, something to keep in mind if long range shooting is something you're considering and you, maybe, don't currently have equipment that'll get you consistent hits out to those distances, don't be afraid to purchase used equipment. Obviously you ALWAYS want to do your research before you make any kind of large-ish investment from a private party but there is A LOT of excellent top notch used rifles and scopes out there to buy that'll save you a good amount of money. The nice thing about high end shooting equipment is it's typically made to last and perform at its best for a very longgggggg time. You can, often, find very nice nearly new semi custom rifles that were built by good gunsmiths for considerably less than what they cost to build. Lots of high end scopes out there for hundreds less than they cost new and usually when folks spend 2K plus on a scope, they take care of it so it's not very often you see a used beat up NF or S&B scope for sale. I've bought three of my six NF scopes, used, but were LNIB, two of them came with NF rings even and I can't tell the difference between the three I bought new and the three I bought used.
"Whats in the box Brian?"
....I Smile
"Never mind..."
One thing to remember about these scopes, They are expensive for a reason. Glassc tracking, reticle....ect cost money. When you have 2k-5k laying there on a bipod and your missing steel at 1000 because you wouldn't cough up a couple extra bucks on a scope that tracks. You will be severally pizzed. I am not saying you have to go the Bender route, but quality route. You can spend a $1k and have a scope that will do it all. But do not be surprised when you lay that scope side by side with a S&B that that Bender makes your pants fit funny. The more you get behind quality scopes the more you start seeing why people are forking over the extra money for a higher end scope.
There are LOTS and LOTS of nice scopes out there, and Lots of expensive scopes. But when it comes down to it, it is about darn hard to fine something that would beat a Bender.
I pretty much agree on all points. Well, except for the fact you spell your name wrong. There should be a "Y" where the "i" is, otherwise, you've got it pretty well nailed....
I have a friend that does long range shooting classes and he's told me he cringes when he people show up with off the shelf factory rifles and just, so so, optics. Especially, if they plan on only using hold over instead of dialing in. Said he watches guys get really frustrated when everyone around them is making hits and they're struggling to get close. Not to say factory guns don't or can't shoot well but you substantially increase your odds when you have a rifle capable of, honestly, holding .5 MOA out to the distances you want to shoot. Certainly doesn't mean you need a full blown custom to achieve that kind of accuracy but at the least, a re-barreled semi custom with a decent stock that's worth bedding, built by a reputable gunsmith is typically the least you'll want to start with.
Also, something to keep in mind if long range shooting is something you're considering and you, maybe, don't currently have equipment that'll get you consistent hits out to those distances, don't be afraid to purchase used equipment. Obviously you ALWAYS want to do your research before you make any kind of large-ish investment from a private party but there is A LOT of excellent top notch used rifles and scopes out there to buy that'll save you a good amount of money. The nice thing about high end shooting equipment is it's typically made to last and perform at its best for a very longgggggg time. You can, often, find very nice nearly new semi custom rifles that were built by good gunsmiths for considerably less than what they cost to build. Lots of high end scopes out there for hundreds less than they cost new and usually when folks spend 2K plus on a scope, they take care of it so it's not very often you see a used beat up NF or S&B scope for sale. I've bought three of my six NF scopes, used, but were LNIB, two of them came with NF rings even and I can't tell the difference between the three I bought new and the three I bought used.
WinDrummer
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Buster Hindend sorry, forgot to mention that. I have a Vortex Crossfire II 6-24x50AO 30mm.
Thanks for the comments, they got me looking more into it and my current specs. Vortex rates my scope as having 40MOA of adjustment (+/- 20 from approximately parallel with the barrel, I believe), plus the 11MOA max holdover in the BDC reticle. With 75gn AMax's (took your advice and ordered some today, haha) and a 100yd zero, LRBC says I'm looking at approx 28MOA down @ 1,000yd. So I guess she might reach out that far without making large-scale changes. My gongs should come in mid-April so I can start reaching out further. Sent a couple boxes of ammo at some milk jugs and stuff in my field today. New longest shot ever; punched 4 holes in a 2kg peanut butter jar at 600yd. I think we can chalk up another victim to the long-range shooting bug... haha. Now all I need is a Vortex Viper PST to get that extra clarity and adjustment...
Thanks again for the advice and sharing your experience!
Thanks for the comments, they got me looking more into it and my current specs. Vortex rates my scope as having 40MOA of adjustment (+/- 20 from approximately parallel with the barrel, I believe), plus the 11MOA max holdover in the BDC reticle. With 75gn AMax's (took your advice and ordered some today, haha) and a 100yd zero, LRBC says I'm looking at approx 28MOA down @ 1,000yd. So I guess she might reach out that far without making large-scale changes. My gongs should come in mid-April so I can start reaching out further. Sent a couple boxes of ammo at some milk jugs and stuff in my field today. New longest shot ever; punched 4 holes in a 2kg peanut butter jar at 600yd. I think we can chalk up another victim to the long-range shooting bug... haha. Now all I need is a Vortex Viper PST to get that extra clarity and adjustment...
Thanks again for the advice and sharing your experience!