need help on caliber choice

Just a couple of thoughts here.
One, the 22 Hornet is a good chambering for us old guys. By that I mean it was the first cartridge I started loading for. It is more difficult to find a good load that shoots however. It's tempremental, to say the least, and really doesn't offer much more than a 22 Mag. I'd say, for your next rifle, a 223 would be perfect. I find it difficult to try a load that doesn't shoot, they are that good. I don't own a 204, but that has nothing to do with it's excellent accuracy and killing power for 'yotes. I've limited the number of different chamberings I have as I have too many now.
On Rifles. I have no Savage rifles, only Remington 700's and one Model 7, in 223, two Weatherby Vanguards, and one CZ 527 in 223. All shoot extremely well. Benchrest shooters either use Rem 700/40x, or custom actions using the Rem 700 bolt. That should tell you something right there.
I'm a tester at heart. When the Weatherby Vanguard was found to be the most accurate rifle out of the box by one of the shooting magazines a few yesr ago, I had to have one. I bought one in 223, and found that it is an accurate rifle. So, I bought another in 25-06, also very accurate. I won't buy any more as I'm a Remington guy basically. No other rifle has more aftermarket accessories available than the Rem series, especially the 700. I won't be buying another CZ 527 either; same reason as above.
My advice would be, buy a Rem 700 in 223. I must have a dozen loads for my 223's that will deliver 1/2" groups at 100 yards for 3 shots.
 
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I hate to say this, but a H&R single shot shot in 22 Hornet would be perfet. Less money than a Stevens, with plenty of power for Coyotes at 100 yards. Plus how many shells do we really shoot at animals each year. So the little extra cost of ammo is not really a issue. Plus comparing a 22 mag. and a 22 hornet is like comparing a 22 hornet, and a 223. There's about 700 fps diff. between them.
 
Originally Posted By: FurhunterOriginally Posted By: brdeano
Huh....I thought all the savage guys just swapped barrels at the kitchen table and had no need for a gunsmith?

brdeano
Thats what I thought too. Hey your a custom rifle guy, how many rifles do you have built on a savage action?




None...but I'll say this. I have an old Savage 112 BVSS in 22-250. It's one of the Long Actions from back before Savage even made the Short Actions. That particular rifle shoots very well. although I haven't shot it in a long while I just can't bring myself to get rid of it.


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I know everyone likes to hang a pic of 1 3-shot group they shot one time with their savage. Here's 9 5-shot groups on the same target that was fired at 230yds with that factory savage while laying in the dirt with bipod and bag. It agg'd 1.258" for just over .5MOA at that 230yards, even with the 10-15mph winds.

While the rifle has all the handling characteristics of a piece of pipe strapped to a 2x4, I can't really say that it doesn't shoot.

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Originally Posted By: Tim NeitzkeI just read all this ! LMAO

Am I reading this right ? BCB & 2MG agreeing on something !lol.

I will add this for the Rem 700 guys.......

A 25 year old Rem 700 ,that was $350 -400 new ! The barrel is shot out, the stock is beat up, and this very day is still worth $350-400 ish ! That will ,I repeat WILL never happen with a Sav/Stevens ..never
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I'm gonna get my popcorn now !lol
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Ken and I agree on lots of things. I guess we just haven't felt a strong need in the past to tell you or anyone else about those things...

We'll try to do better in the future... Both of us simply aren't the type of person who needs group hugs to feel OK about ourselves...
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-BCB
 
I would suggest the great old .222.Not many still chamber for this round but I know the CZ 527 is.I really wanted one myself but I found the same gun on Gun Broker brand new in .223 for only 520 shipped.As much as I wanted a .222 no way was I going to pass on that.If you bide your time great deals can be found.
Good luck!
 
Originally Posted By: Mark2 Interesting, I just called surgeon rifles, they of course make their own actions, but when asked which one he felt wa
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s more accurate right out of the box rem or savage, he told me savage. And Denny Tubbs likes the savage actions also. There now Im done stirring the pot.


http://www.turkeyshoot.net/Gunworks_Technical.htm


Mark2
Hahahaha We are way past the out of the box accuracy discussion.

So you ask a savage gunsmith (Tubbs) which one he prefers? Thats a riot!

So which action does Surgeon model their custom after.... please do tell.

Why dont you call GAP, Kevin Weaver and Greg Tannel today and talk with them too. I believe I know the answer you'll get there.
 
brdeano
I too used to have a BVSS in 223, your analogy of a pipe screw to a 2x4 s pretty close. The rifle did shoot, much like yours does. I dont miss it though. That long action for such a short round was kind of sloppy I think.
 
Originally Posted By: Mark2 I have to say, if I had a boat load of money, I wouldn't buy a rem or savage off the shelf. I would buy a really tweaked out rifle with all the bells and whistles. Say something like this. http://www.surgeonrifles.com/homepage/

Calm down guys, this is suppose to be fun.
Mark2

Your statement is kinda' like saying snow is white...

In fact, a lot of folks who don't even have "a boat load of money" will buy a Remington off the shelf for the action alone to use for a custom rifle. Others will buy Remington clones like the Surgeon.

Both work; one involves spending some money to have the Rem action blue printed if necessary, or spending about the same for a custom action.

As an aside: the last three Rem actions I've had barreled by someone needed none or only minor additional work. And even with a couple of custom actions used over the years, I've had smiths feel a need to do a little bit of work to "improve" them in a couple of cases.

Nothing is perfect in spite of what they might advertise.... I hope you folks get this all sorted out today.... I'm going shooting...

-BCB
 
If you read my post, I said surgeon uses their own actions, I even called them to confirm this. For the sake of not beating a dead horse, I will now say the rem 700 action is the best money can buy.

Mark2
 
Lets not forget the original question that was asked


"im looking into getting a gun that will take one down but i mostly see foxes so a gun that also will be fur friendly on them.
any suggestions? thanks for the help

oh yea i dont have the equipment to reload incase anyone wants to know"


Mark2
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Originally Posted By: Mark2If you read my post, I said surgeon uses their own actions, I even called them to confirm this.....

Mark2

Now that's a real revelation....

If you'll read what I and furhunter said...you'll see that we both said that the surgeon action is actually designed much like a Rem 700 action.

No one said anything else... Sheesh.... Bye....

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BCB.

I hope my post did come across as sarcastic or pissy. Thats not how I intended for it to come across. Surgeon rifles told me they made their own actions, I did not realize that it was a clone of the rem 700.
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Mark2
 
Originally Posted By: Mark2BCB.

I hope my post did come across as sarcastic or pissy. Thats not how I intended for it to come across. Surgeon rifles told me they made their own actions, I did not realize that it was a clone of the rem 700.
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Mark2

If you want to play semantics with words, clone is probably a little bit strong since barrel shank lengths and an integral barrel lug and a few other things differ between the two actions depending on which Surgeon action you are talking about - the 591 or the RSR.

But there is little doubt as to what commercial action it is designed most like. The Surgeon "foot print" allows it to fit into a Remington in-letted stock with only minor changes for lug thicknesses.

You seem to be link oriented. Google and read more on your own...

-BCB
 
Originally Posted By: Bayou City BoyOriginally Posted By: Tim NeitzkeI just read all this ! LMAO

Am I reading this right ? BCB & 2MG agreeing on something !lol.

I will add this for the Rem 700 guys.......

A 25 year old Rem 700 ,that was $350 -400 new ! The barrel is shot out, the stock is beat up, and this very day is still worth $350-400 ish ! That will ,I repeat WILL never happen with a Sav/Stevens ..never
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I'm gonna get my popcorn now !lol
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Ken and I agree on lots of things. I guess we just haven't felt a strong need in the past to tell you or anyone else about those things...

We'll try to do better in the future... Both of us simply aren't the type of person who needs group hugs to feel OK about ourselves...
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-BCB

Dang BCB,
I'm just pokin a little . Didn't even get my popcorn popped ! LOL

Funny ,lots of Remmy haters ,but the big name "clone " makers are ok .
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Hoping My "SUCKS " action get's back from the smith soon ,my McM just showed !

No group hugs for me either ,unless it's all ladies !
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No remy hating here. I own a rem 700 vtr in 308, I own a savage 110 fp tactical in 7 rem mag, and a Howa axiom in 22-250. Al
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l shoot great, but if push comes to shove, Im grabbing my Howa. Thats just my 2 cents based on my own experiences.


Mark2
 
Originally Posted By: Tim NeitzkeMark2,
You have any little cals ?


The smallest caliber I have is a 22 lr 10/22. I used to have a 17 hmr, and a 204.

Why?



Mark2
 
Yeah the 204 was sweet. I had a Howa Axiom, R-15, savage 25 LV-T, and a H&R single shot. They all shot great. The H&R had firing pin issues so I got rid of it. I found it to be a fun round to shoot.

Mark2
 
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