berettaman
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Utahdogger, I honestly don't see how the FX5 could be improved, it just has so many features and has lots of volume imo.
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FOXPRO
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The “mini” Compares very favorably to the classic calls like the 416. The 416 is louder in some instances and in others the mini” is louder especially in the low and high frequencies. The “mini” is about ½ the size of the 416.
GJJ,
The release date has not been nailed down yet as we have the parts on the way. We want to do more extensive field studies. A rough guess will be mid October… it could be earlier or it could be later.
At moderate volume levels the sound will be similar when the sound is played through the cone speakers. The FX5 will be better able to produce the really low frequencies because it has a 92mm speaker and the “mini” uses a 77mm speaker.
The FX5 will have the edge on volume when you use its internal horn speaker at the mid-range frequencies.
Some may prefer the FX5 because they can operate it without using the transmitter, and it has 2 speakers.
GeorgiaJoe,
I don't think we will offer an on/off upgrade... This would be a very complex modification and would be cost prohibitive. We may add that feature at a later date on new FX5s when we roll out the next revision board. The transmitter code would have to change as well.
ADCoyote,
I can't tell you what should be important to you. If you think the loudest volume that can be obtained is important for your hunting environment then that’s fine. Our Custom Shop can easily build you a call for this task!
I don't believe in most calling situations extreme volume is the most critical aspect of the set. We have on film a coyote coming in up-wind hard from over a mile away in 25-30mph winds. The caller was the FX5 using the horn speaker at 1/2 volume, the sound was Lightning Jack. This hunt will be on our video when we release it.
I know that there are many people that prefer as much volume as you will give them. That is what works for them, and what they feel comfortable with. I simply won't argue that at all. I know what I like, and you know what you like. We will provide a unit for everyone's wants and needs.
As far as the “mini” looking like the M1, you’re right; the transmitter housings are identical as they chose the same case and antenna that we used.
We chose an off-the-shelf housing four our “mini” that is different from the M1.
The idea for the “mini” stems from the release of the FX3. After the release, many people loved their new FX3 and would not give it up, but they did however miss being able to put it in their pockets as they could the 416. We are simply answering the call to make a small pocket caller.
Pocket callers are nothing new. One of the original FOXPRO shirt-pocket prototypes was actually built in the same housing that the TX-5LR and TX-200 use. This was caller was built in 1996. Here is a photo of it:
I can tell you the “mini” is far more advanced then ANY caller in its size and price point. Here is a list of features that it has OVER the competition:
Transmitter:
1: Graphic LCD Display "no paper sound list"
2: 4 Presets "with sound numbers AND volume"
3: Elapsed Timer (with Reset)
4: Volume Number Indicator
5: TX Battery level Indicator
6: Channel Indicator
7: Current Sound Playing Indicator
8: Auto Power Off
9: Inverted Graphics for "night use"
10: Channel selection (without taking the TX apart)
11: Turn main unit on/off
Main Unit
1: Battery Management (monitors battery temperature)
2: Plays WAV'S, MP3’s and FXP's
3: USB port
4: When dead battery detected it disconnects the battery to protect from deep discharge.
5: 15% Larger Speaker 66mm vs. 77mm
6: Mylar Cone Speaker
7: Physically smaller
8: PCB protection
And remember, it's the feature sets and internal components of units that make the difference.
doggin coyotes,
If you look at the picture with the transmitter on top you can see the antenna just above the hinge. The antenna tucks nicely along the hinge for protection.
The “mini” Compares very favorably to the classic calls like the 416. The 416 is louder in some instances and in others the mini” is louder especially in the low and high frequencies. The “mini” is about ½ the size of the 416.
GJJ,
The release date has not been nailed down yet as we have the parts on the way. We want to do more extensive field studies. A rough guess will be mid October… it could be earlier or it could be later.
At moderate volume levels the sound will be similar when the sound is played through the cone speakers. The FX5 will be better able to produce the really low frequencies because it has a 92mm speaker and the “mini” uses a 77mm speaker.
The FX5 will have the edge on volume when you use its internal horn speaker at the mid-range frequencies.
Some may prefer the FX5 because they can operate it without using the transmitter, and it has 2 speakers.
GeorgiaJoe,
I don't think we will offer an on/off upgrade... This would be a very complex modification and would be cost prohibitive. We may add that feature at a later date on new FX5s when we roll out the next revision board. The transmitter code would have to change as well.
ADCoyote,
I can't tell you what should be important to you. If you think the loudest volume that can be obtained is important for your hunting environment then that’s fine. Our Custom Shop can easily build you a call for this task!
I don't believe in most calling situations extreme volume is the most critical aspect of the set. We have on film a coyote coming in up-wind hard from over a mile away in 25-30mph winds. The caller was the FX5 using the horn speaker at 1/2 volume, the sound was Lightning Jack. This hunt will be on our video when we release it.
I know that there are many people that prefer as much volume as you will give them. That is what works for them, and what they feel comfortable with. I simply won't argue that at all. I know what I like, and you know what you like. We will provide a unit for everyone's wants and needs.
As far as the “mini” looking like the M1, you’re right; the transmitter housings are identical as they chose the same case and antenna that we used.
We chose an off-the-shelf housing four our “mini” that is different from the M1.
The idea for the “mini” stems from the release of the FX3. After the release, many people loved their new FX3 and would not give it up, but they did however miss being able to put it in their pockets as they could the 416. We are simply answering the call to make a small pocket caller.
Pocket callers are nothing new. One of the original FOXPRO shirt-pocket prototypes was actually built in the same housing that the TX-5LR and TX-200 use. This was caller was built in 1996. Here is a photo of it:
I can tell you the “mini” is far more advanced then ANY caller in its size and price point. Here is a list of features that it has OVER the competition:
Transmitter:
1: Graphic LCD Display "no paper sound list"
2: 4 Presets "with sound numbers AND volume"
3: Elapsed Timer (with Reset)
4: Volume Number Indicator
5: TX Battery level Indicator
6: Channel Indicator
7: Current Sound Playing Indicator
8: Auto Power Off
9: Inverted Graphics for "night use"
10: Channel selection (without taking the TX apart)
11: Turn main unit on/off
Main Unit
1: Battery Management (monitors battery temperature)
2: Plays WAV'S, MP3’s and FXP's
3: USB port
4: When dead battery detected it disconnects the battery to protect from deep discharge.
5: 15% Larger Speaker 66mm vs. 77mm
6: Mylar Cone Speaker
7: Physically smaller
8: PCB protection
And remember, it's the feature sets and internal components of units that make the difference.
doggin coyotes,
If you look at the picture with the transmitter on top you can see the antenna just above the hinge. The antenna tucks nicely along the hinge for protection.
ADCcoyote
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foxpro steve. I applaud you and others for pushing the calling envelope, competition is what keeps it going. Makes it better for the end users for sure!
You can call coyotes in with low,med and high volume that is a fact. Certain times of the year: denning coyotes and working kill complaints, calling can be the quickest and most effective method for ending livestock loss. I don't use a lot of distress sounds May-August. I find the best responses are from coyote sounds. I want those aggressive pairs on a den or worrying about pup rearing, that is where IMHO that max volume really shines and unlike many others I can't wait for the wind to die in many cases and in very open terrain, I need and want and have found the best success with max volume and a decoy dog.
Bill Martz is credited with 1 thing in my mind, offering a loud calling machine. The reason he found this, is because max volume is beneficial in many circumstances. I think he found that out from men that pursue coyotes year round. I don't offer my self as the best caller or even the elite status, but I pay attention to coyotes and how they respond and act and I can say the same for max volume, I have called them in from 2 miles away with max volume and distress sounds in the fall, a lot of these are eager to please yoy coyotes. In denning situations they have territory boundary's and in areas of lesser density's they don't see a need to defend what they don't claim as theirs. Added volume can add to that trigger and can also shoot out the sound in open areas where if you tried to get in closer they would peg you and the warning bark and end of story. They love to post on the side of a high butte close to the den.
I like the BCB from Minaska as it covers it all, max volume and versatile 2 speakers or one. I like 12 volt cell battery over nimhi as these loose a charge way to fast again IMHO. I'm not going to tell you how to make calls or run a business, but if your fx 5 had more volume built on board and you had on board 12v sustainable power, without having to add on, IE: another speaker and another battery pack I think you would find a certain % of callers that would sit up and take notice. Doesn't mean you don't sell the crap out of them just the way they are.
I have worked with many callers from the old JS tape to WT and even experimented with an FX3, and then came upon the Minaska Big Country, started out as a custom made, I'm thinking because someone before me had the exact same lines of thought of what a caller in "THEIR" mind should be. Maybe to small a % of the market for some to worry about?
I'm not trying to downplay what you do or make by any means, but there is a certain % of callers that agree with the line of thought as I do. The calling industry has come along ways, because of people like Minaska,Foxpro and JS and WT and copying is a form of flattery for sure.Unless protected by a patent or copy right.
I wish you all the best and my main point is to get people to think about calling and coyotes and they can decide for what they are doing and the area in which they call, what is the best option for them.
Good day!
You can call coyotes in with low,med and high volume that is a fact. Certain times of the year: denning coyotes and working kill complaints, calling can be the quickest and most effective method for ending livestock loss. I don't use a lot of distress sounds May-August. I find the best responses are from coyote sounds. I want those aggressive pairs on a den or worrying about pup rearing, that is where IMHO that max volume really shines and unlike many others I can't wait for the wind to die in many cases and in very open terrain, I need and want and have found the best success with max volume and a decoy dog.
Bill Martz is credited with 1 thing in my mind, offering a loud calling machine. The reason he found this, is because max volume is beneficial in many circumstances. I think he found that out from men that pursue coyotes year round. I don't offer my self as the best caller or even the elite status, but I pay attention to coyotes and how they respond and act and I can say the same for max volume, I have called them in from 2 miles away with max volume and distress sounds in the fall, a lot of these are eager to please yoy coyotes. In denning situations they have territory boundary's and in areas of lesser density's they don't see a need to defend what they don't claim as theirs. Added volume can add to that trigger and can also shoot out the sound in open areas where if you tried to get in closer they would peg you and the warning bark and end of story. They love to post on the side of a high butte close to the den.
I like the BCB from Minaska as it covers it all, max volume and versatile 2 speakers or one. I like 12 volt cell battery over nimhi as these loose a charge way to fast again IMHO. I'm not going to tell you how to make calls or run a business, but if your fx 5 had more volume built on board and you had on board 12v sustainable power, without having to add on, IE: another speaker and another battery pack I think you would find a certain % of callers that would sit up and take notice. Doesn't mean you don't sell the crap out of them just the way they are.
I have worked with many callers from the old JS tape to WT and even experimented with an FX3, and then came upon the Minaska Big Country, started out as a custom made, I'm thinking because someone before me had the exact same lines of thought of what a caller in "THEIR" mind should be. Maybe to small a % of the market for some to worry about?
I'm not trying to downplay what you do or make by any means, but there is a certain % of callers that agree with the line of thought as I do. The calling industry has come along ways, because of people like Minaska,Foxpro and JS and WT and copying is a form of flattery for sure.Unless protected by a patent or copy right.
I wish you all the best and my main point is to get people to think about calling and coyotes and they can decide for what they are doing and the area in which they call, what is the best option for them.
Good day!
FOXPRO
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ADCcoyote,
Over the years, we have talked with many people about just this thing. The very high majority choose a compact unit over the bigger units. We have developed our product line with this in mind. Most of the people have stated that while sometimes louder volumes are in order, they prefer less volume for most of their calling situations. That is why we kept our units compact, but gave them the ability for more volume when needed with the addition of a larger speaker. Why carry a larger unit, when in most instances, it is not needed. In the instances where they need it, they prefer to take the large speaker with them if they need it, but don't force them to take it if they don't. Remember that all of the older WT's also required you to carry the external speaker separate from the main unit. Will we continue to develop products to suit everyone---you bet. The Custom Shop will address those that want something a little different that may not yet be offered in our product line. And we have plenty of new products coming up that will appease everyone's needs.
As far as patents go, believe me, the only ones that benefit are the patent attorneys. It is very inexpensive to get a patent, but very expensive to defend a patent. And there are many ways to get past the patent. And remember, a manufacture simply can not claim a patent pending unless they actually have one pending. I have seen those games plenty of times before.
Good Hunting ADCcoyote!
Over the years, we have talked with many people about just this thing. The very high majority choose a compact unit over the bigger units. We have developed our product line with this in mind. Most of the people have stated that while sometimes louder volumes are in order, they prefer less volume for most of their calling situations. That is why we kept our units compact, but gave them the ability for more volume when needed with the addition of a larger speaker. Why carry a larger unit, when in most instances, it is not needed. In the instances where they need it, they prefer to take the large speaker with them if they need it, but don't force them to take it if they don't. Remember that all of the older WT's also required you to carry the external speaker separate from the main unit. Will we continue to develop products to suit everyone---you bet. The Custom Shop will address those that want something a little different that may not yet be offered in our product line. And we have plenty of new products coming up that will appease everyone's needs.
As far as patents go, believe me, the only ones that benefit are the patent attorneys. It is very inexpensive to get a patent, but very expensive to defend a patent. And there are many ways to get past the patent. And remember, a manufacture simply can not claim a patent pending unless they actually have one pending. I have seen those games plenty of times before.
Good Hunting ADCcoyote!
As I read and try to learn more about electronic callers before I buy one, I have also been talking with people who say that they are "in the know" when it comes to Electronic caller.
I am told that especially in the East, more volume would be a good asset to have.
I have been told about the Minaska BCB and people have mentioned the Wildlife Technologies caller to me.
I just don not see how a small unit or pocket sized unit can perform and give me a loud and clear sound while in dense vegetation and hilly terrian.
Sure they may be fine in wide open calling spaces, but not where I am hunting. The vegetation is dense and the coyotes are far and few between, I think one would need the extra volume to really get those coyotes attention.
I am told that especially in the East, more volume would be a good asset to have.
I have been told about the Minaska BCB and people have mentioned the Wildlife Technologies caller to me.
I just don not see how a small unit or pocket sized unit can perform and give me a loud and clear sound while in dense vegetation and hilly terrian.
Sure they may be fine in wide open calling spaces, but not where I am hunting. The vegetation is dense and the coyotes are far and few between, I think one would need the extra volume to really get those coyotes attention.
I'll bet far more coyotes are scared away by high volume than called in as their hearing is far better than yours. I've seen coyotes respond to a hand call from well over a mile, and I'll bet even the mini is a lot louder than a person could ever blow a hand call, especially for an extended period of time or without sticking a reed....
I've owned a 532, FX3, and now an FX5 and have never felt a need to use anything more than about half volume, and I doubt there's anywhere windier(SP?) or more wide open than Utah's west desert and high mountain valleys...except for Wyoming of course... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I've owned a 532, FX3, and now an FX5 and have never felt a need to use anything more than about half volume, and I doubt there's anywhere windier(SP?) or more wide open than Utah's west desert and high mountain valleys...except for Wyoming of course... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
ADCcoyote
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xd shooter, in dense cover you can get closer to the coyotes in a lot of cases versus out west where the coyote has the eye site to peg you from quite a distance, I would say the opposite is true if you do your homework and locate a high majority of the coyotes your calling too.
Steve that is why I let the WT sit! To many wires and battery's and always having to pack that speaker along, to me not user friendly at all!
I would say I personally use high volume more than 50% of the time and this stuff of scaring away coyotes with high volume, yes it can and does happen if you bump them with max volume and coyotes that are dimid. Aggresive coyotes and calling at some distance, I have had them within 3 ft of max volume on various sound, so that doesn't hold true as much as some try to make it so.
When a coyote howls, he/she doesn't have a volume control per say, you don't hear low volume howls or barks, they do what they can with there vocal cords. Other sounds not as loud, but a agitated coyote wants his/her presence known and let's it all hang out. If the opposing coyote is timid then many just saunter off or looks from a safe vantage point, those that want to bring it on do it back with the same gusto, that is a natural occuring thing to the life of a coyote. If I where calling timid coyotes, I wouldn't use the same agressive sounds, but I sure may use max volume with something that would be the drifter's interest.
I call with my dog all the time, the sounds doesn't scare her away, in fact many she has been trained through repitition to look for the coyotes on hearing a particular sound, others she could care less but none have sent her in the other direction.
You have timid coyotes and agressive and those in between, sure loud volume up close may spook off coyotes, because it entered with out them knowing or a past bad experiance with it.
I can say I have max volume when I call denning pairs and have used it within a few 100 yards of coyotes and if they are their to defend there territory, the max volume is nothing but a help, as there hackles are up and they come on the charge many barking and woofing on the way to kick butt. The trigger is to vacate any intruder of that space and max volume has no ill effect if that is what they need to do.
Steve not going to get into a pissing match, no sense it in, the thing with calling is like anything else we all have likes and dislikes when it comes to being effective and having results. I wish you the best.
Steve that is why I let the WT sit! To many wires and battery's and always having to pack that speaker along, to me not user friendly at all!
I would say I personally use high volume more than 50% of the time and this stuff of scaring away coyotes with high volume, yes it can and does happen if you bump them with max volume and coyotes that are dimid. Aggresive coyotes and calling at some distance, I have had them within 3 ft of max volume on various sound, so that doesn't hold true as much as some try to make it so.
When a coyote howls, he/she doesn't have a volume control per say, you don't hear low volume howls or barks, they do what they can with there vocal cords. Other sounds not as loud, but a agitated coyote wants his/her presence known and let's it all hang out. If the opposing coyote is timid then many just saunter off or looks from a safe vantage point, those that want to bring it on do it back with the same gusto, that is a natural occuring thing to the life of a coyote. If I where calling timid coyotes, I wouldn't use the same agressive sounds, but I sure may use max volume with something that would be the drifter's interest.
I call with my dog all the time, the sounds doesn't scare her away, in fact many she has been trained through repitition to look for the coyotes on hearing a particular sound, others she could care less but none have sent her in the other direction.
You have timid coyotes and agressive and those in between, sure loud volume up close may spook off coyotes, because it entered with out them knowing or a past bad experiance with it.
I can say I have max volume when I call denning pairs and have used it within a few 100 yards of coyotes and if they are their to defend there territory, the max volume is nothing but a help, as there hackles are up and they come on the charge many barking and woofing on the way to kick butt. The trigger is to vacate any intruder of that space and max volume has no ill effect if that is what they need to do.
Steve not going to get into a pissing match, no sense it in, the thing with calling is like anything else we all have likes and dislikes when it comes to being effective and having results. I wish you the best.
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xd shooter, in dense cover you can get closer to the coyotes in a lot of cases versus out west where the coyote has the eye site to peg you from quite a distance, I would say the opposite is true if you do your homework and locate a high majority of the coyotes your calling too.
Good stuff to think about, thanks.
Have you hunted both East and West?
Just wondering if you have been able to see the differences first hand?
As I said, good stuff.
xd shooter, in dense cover you can get closer to the coyotes in a lot of cases versus out west where the coyote has the eye site to peg you from quite a distance, I would say the opposite is true if you do your homework and locate a high majority of the coyotes your calling too.
Good stuff to think about, thanks.
Have you hunted both East and West?
Just wondering if you have been able to see the differences first hand?
As I said, good stuff.
FOXPRO
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xdshooter,
I guess it depends on who you talked with. Most people prefer more volume when hunting in the wide open, or windy conditions. Most people that I have talked with, and myself, prefer less volume in the thick woods. When sound hits vegetation, foliage, and trees, it actually will sound louder when compared to the wide open where you don't get the reflection of sound.
ADCcoyote,
I am not tyring to start anything myself. I posted this thread to inform those of a new product, and I am just replying to the comments. As I stated before, I can certainly appreciate different needs for different people, and we intend to spread our product line for everyone's wants and needs.
I guess it depends on who you talked with. Most people prefer more volume when hunting in the wide open, or windy conditions. Most people that I have talked with, and myself, prefer less volume in the thick woods. When sound hits vegetation, foliage, and trees, it actually will sound louder when compared to the wide open where you don't get the reflection of sound.
ADCcoyote,
I am not tyring to start anything myself. I posted this thread to inform those of a new product, and I am just replying to the comments. As I stated before, I can certainly appreciate different needs for different people, and we intend to spread our product line for everyone's wants and needs.
guess
New member
In the end there are no set rules in the world of hunting,everything in the environment affects the way animals respond from one day to the next.
Everything else is personal preference for different circumstances.
23 years ago when I first started calling predators, it was widely known that if you started out calling loud it scared the predators away. After years of accepting that known fact I decided to try calling loud from the start just to see what would happen. Guess what? My number of productive stands doubled and my stand time was cut in half! I've had coyotes come in less than 30 seconds to a call at full volume,so fast in fact that I had to shoot them on the run before they hit the still blaring call. Only once have I witnessed coyotes run from a call {hand call},they had been harassed for days by people "trying to help"!
I have called coyotes in 40 mph winds from as far a mile away ,up wind of the FX5, I can't see where any more volume would help me.
There are still situations where I start out softly.
I have been addicted to FOXPRO products since the first time I heard one,{it was the 416} that was way before I knew who Foxpro was or before I had met Mike and Steve.
I have seen many posts through the years from Foxpro asking the people what they want in a call and trying to meet those needs. Very few companies do this.
Very few companies get on the forums and chat with the public.
I'm sure heated debates are the reason why few do so.
In the end it's a Chevy verses Ford situation,heck everybody knows Chevy is better! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Fortunately there are enough Electronic call companies to fill every nitch and enough hunters to support these companies and keep them in business to help meet our needs.
I thank them all,competition breeds perfection and ensures excellent products and great customer service! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
Everything else is personal preference for different circumstances.
23 years ago when I first started calling predators, it was widely known that if you started out calling loud it scared the predators away. After years of accepting that known fact I decided to try calling loud from the start just to see what would happen. Guess what? My number of productive stands doubled and my stand time was cut in half! I've had coyotes come in less than 30 seconds to a call at full volume,so fast in fact that I had to shoot them on the run before they hit the still blaring call. Only once have I witnessed coyotes run from a call {hand call},they had been harassed for days by people "trying to help"!
I have called coyotes in 40 mph winds from as far a mile away ,up wind of the FX5, I can't see where any more volume would help me.
There are still situations where I start out softly.
I have been addicted to FOXPRO products since the first time I heard one,{it was the 416} that was way before I knew who Foxpro was or before I had met Mike and Steve.
I have seen many posts through the years from Foxpro asking the people what they want in a call and trying to meet those needs. Very few companies do this.
Very few companies get on the forums and chat with the public.
I'm sure heated debates are the reason why few do so.
In the end it's a Chevy verses Ford situation,heck everybody knows Chevy is better! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Fortunately there are enough Electronic call companies to fill every nitch and enough hunters to support these companies and keep them in business to help meet our needs.
I thank them all,competition breeds perfection and ensures excellent products and great customer service! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
ADCcoyote
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guess:I have called coyotes in 40 mph winds from as far a mile away ,up wind of the FX5, I can't see where any more volume would help me.
Have you ever tried in winds around 30mph and over setting your call on full blast and backing away in different terrain and seeing what you can hear?
Have you ever tried in winds around 30mph and over setting your call on full blast and backing away in different terrain and seeing what you can hear?
guess
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as most know my wife hunts with me quite often,however her true love is hog hunting so a lot of the time she is hunting hogs while we call predators near by and Michelle always reports back on what she could hear.
This scenario has played out under many different types of terrain rolling hills,vast prairies,canyons,heavy timber,swamps,desert you name it {except mountains} and weather conditions ,but as far as sitting down and waiting for a 30 mph wind and testing the ability of sound travel in every single type of terrain it hasn't happened and is not likely to.I'd rather being testing the call in a hunting situation than seeing how far "I" can hear it. It makes absolutely no difference how far I can hear it, what matters is how far a predator can hear it! I assure you they can hear it a lot farther away than we can.
In the end the FX3 or FX5 may not meet your needs as far as volume goes,but the Snow Crow Pro most assuredly can get the volume you need if that's what your after,it is the loudest call I've ever heard and that was with only 1 speaker as many as 4 can be used.
Now back to the "mini"{which is what this thread is about} I will be field testing this unit soon,it will be under every hunting condition I have available at the time and I assure you I will have no problem telling Foxpro what I think of it good or bad.The good thing is that they will listen!
GJJ, I have used both distress sounds and coyote vocalizations at top volume.
when I use distress sounds I call continuously till the end .I will often turn the call off and wait a few more minutes before breaking stand timid, slow moving coyotes will often wait till the sound is gone slink in like a cat and have a look see!
This scenario has played out under many different types of terrain rolling hills,vast prairies,canyons,heavy timber,swamps,desert you name it {except mountains} and weather conditions ,but as far as sitting down and waiting for a 30 mph wind and testing the ability of sound travel in every single type of terrain it hasn't happened and is not likely to.I'd rather being testing the call in a hunting situation than seeing how far "I" can hear it. It makes absolutely no difference how far I can hear it, what matters is how far a predator can hear it! I assure you they can hear it a lot farther away than we can.
In the end the FX3 or FX5 may not meet your needs as far as volume goes,but the Snow Crow Pro most assuredly can get the volume you need if that's what your after,it is the loudest call I've ever heard and that was with only 1 speaker as many as 4 can be used.
Now back to the "mini"{which is what this thread is about} I will be field testing this unit soon,it will be under every hunting condition I have available at the time and I assure you I will have no problem telling Foxpro what I think of it good or bad.The good thing is that they will listen!
GJJ, I have used both distress sounds and coyote vocalizations at top volume.
when I use distress sounds I call continuously till the end .I will often turn the call off and wait a few more minutes before breaking stand timid, slow moving coyotes will often wait till the sound is gone slink in like a cat and have a look see!
doggin coyotes
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Glenn, I was reading along through your post and found myself nodding my head in agreement with everything you were saying. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowingsmilie.gif
Then I get to the Ford vs Chevy part. I'm pretty sure you were a little worn out from typing the first part of the post and got things a little mixed up and backwards. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif Or maybe it's time for your meds? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif Feel free to edit the post and correct the one small mistake when you get a chance. Don't feel to bad about this Gleen, we all hit the wrong keys sometimes. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
ADC, My hearing is terrible and I have a hard time hearing a caller 75 yards away on a calm day. I KNOW for a fact in a 30mph wind, if *I* was *upwind* of the caller 300 yards I would not be able to hear it. I'm sure a coyote could hear it just fine. Increase that distance to 600 yards and I'm not sure a coyote could even hear it with a *30mph* wind. As we all know (or should know), calling into the wind is a big killer of sound travel distance. Now go the other way (downwind) and even I can hear the sound at some amazing distance. I have terrible luck calling when the wind is blowing. I reckon I've never figured out the secret to it. I just know I don't call many coyotes when the wind is blowing. Then again if the wind is blowing 30mph, I simply don't go calling. Hmmm, maybe that's my problem /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
Good hunting to ya all.
Then I get to the Ford vs Chevy part. I'm pretty sure you were a little worn out from typing the first part of the post and got things a little mixed up and backwards. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif Or maybe it's time for your meds? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif Feel free to edit the post and correct the one small mistake when you get a chance. Don't feel to bad about this Gleen, we all hit the wrong keys sometimes. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
ADC, My hearing is terrible and I have a hard time hearing a caller 75 yards away on a calm day. I KNOW for a fact in a 30mph wind, if *I* was *upwind* of the caller 300 yards I would not be able to hear it. I'm sure a coyote could hear it just fine. Increase that distance to 600 yards and I'm not sure a coyote could even hear it with a *30mph* wind. As we all know (or should know), calling into the wind is a big killer of sound travel distance. Now go the other way (downwind) and even I can hear the sound at some amazing distance. I have terrible luck calling when the wind is blowing. I reckon I've never figured out the secret to it. I just know I don't call many coyotes when the wind is blowing. Then again if the wind is blowing 30mph, I simply don't go calling. Hmmm, maybe that's my problem /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
Good hunting to ya all.
guess
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doggin coyotes,
you had me worried for a moment,but I checked and your wrong, I had it right the first time! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I'm sure you can remember the big bobcat I posted that a young boy killed while hunting with me.Now I'm not a competition hunter to begin with,but Ethan wanted to do one so I agreed to do it.As the weekend approached the weather men were calling for high winds in the 40's.Ethan asked me what we were going to do and we decided to hunt ,but not enter the contest{big mistake} /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif we would have won the contest ,big cat and big coyote had we entered! we called in three cats and numerous coyotes during the day in 40 mph winds using the FX5,about 2 hours before dark the wind laid and I knew it would get even better! We never called another animal all night!
My point is the only weather that keeps me at home is severe thunder storms.
I have video footage of a coyote coming to the call in howling winds from over a mile upwind of the call,she came over the hill from the next valley over and had the after burners on the whole way.I killed her less than 20 yards from the call.
To me it's kind of like fishing ,I have never caught lots of fish when the water was calm and I always seem to do better calling critters when there is some wind preferably 5-15 mph
even a bad day hunting is better than sitting on the couch!
well I'm off to a funeral I'll check back in on the fun later.
you had me worried for a moment,but I checked and your wrong, I had it right the first time! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I'm sure you can remember the big bobcat I posted that a young boy killed while hunting with me.Now I'm not a competition hunter to begin with,but Ethan wanted to do one so I agreed to do it.As the weekend approached the weather men were calling for high winds in the 40's.Ethan asked me what we were going to do and we decided to hunt ,but not enter the contest{big mistake} /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif we would have won the contest ,big cat and big coyote had we entered! we called in three cats and numerous coyotes during the day in 40 mph winds using the FX5,about 2 hours before dark the wind laid and I knew it would get even better! We never called another animal all night!
My point is the only weather that keeps me at home is severe thunder storms.
I have video footage of a coyote coming to the call in howling winds from over a mile upwind of the call,she came over the hill from the next valley over and had the after burners on the whole way.I killed her less than 20 yards from the call.
To me it's kind of like fishing ,I have never caught lots of fish when the water was calm and I always seem to do better calling critters when there is some wind preferably 5-15 mph
even a bad day hunting is better than sitting on the couch!
well I'm off to a funeral I'll check back in on the fun later.
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doggin coyotes
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You sure you had it right the 1st time Glenn? Have Ethan look at it. His young eyes may pick up the mistake. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Everybody knows those Texas critters don't have the sense to lay up outta the wind!
But seriously if you can call em in the wind I applaude ya. I can't! I very seldom even try anymore. I suppose I shouldn't say I absolutley can't, because there has been a few times I have. But my success rate is WAY down there in the wind. If you have any *secrets* you wanna share, I'd sure listen. When I get to old to learn, I'll be to old to hunt.
Everybody knows those Texas critters don't have the sense to lay up outta the wind!
But seriously if you can call em in the wind I applaude ya. I can't! I very seldom even try anymore. I suppose I shouldn't say I absolutley can't, because there has been a few times I have. But my success rate is WAY down there in the wind. If you have any *secrets* you wanna share, I'd sure listen. When I get to old to learn, I'll be to old to hunt.
ADCcoyote
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I have tested sounds with varying terrain and wind, more for my own well being than anything else. Yes coyotes have amazing hearing,yes I want max volume for any wind in open country that approaches 10-15mph, unless I can sneak in close. The area of max volume is all my coyote vocals go max no matter distance, distress sounds some are softer in close, but if I know those coyotes are a ways away I don't mess around and use max volume with winds in that10- 15 mph range in open country with little ill effects.
We have few days with little to no wind, a true luxury for sure, so alot of my days calling are in winds from 5-15 mph and many in that 15+ range. So you can see as your needs change so changes the calling unit one feels most comfortable with. Weight,volume and flexability of a calling unit is what many look for, to get the most calling power for your buck.
In many cases I can't sit home and wait for a better calling day or it means more livestock loss.Just different strokes for different folks.Have a good one, I'm done on this thread.
We have few days with little to no wind, a true luxury for sure, so alot of my days calling are in winds from 5-15 mph and many in that 15+ range. So you can see as your needs change so changes the calling unit one feels most comfortable with. Weight,volume and flexability of a calling unit is what many look for, to get the most calling power for your buck.
In many cases I can't sit home and wait for a better calling day or it means more livestock loss.Just different strokes for different folks.Have a good one, I'm done on this thread.
doggin coyotes
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LOL, if the wind blew here 95% of the time I would move! I HATE wind! Not even considering the calling aspect, I hate wind! It just totally puts me in a bad mood. The wife won't even talk to me when the wind is howling. The dog even hides. That's how bad I get.