Newbie question about Browning BLR .243

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Just two cents worth,

I have 2 A-bolts (youv'e seen the picks) and with out a doubt the factory triggers on both are about the worst I have ever pulled. My 325 was worked on and is decent now and the 243.wssm is hopeless and thats a fact. They have both taken game and that is undisputable! But after passing my learning curve they seam less and less impressive. If the BLR has the same trigger group then I would consider something else. After shooting some Rems with Jewel and Timney triggers and especially after shooting Savage with the Accu-trigger I'll be hard pressed to consider another Browning.

Im not bashing them but Im now looking at another Savage to replace my sons A-bolt. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif

Dave



HAHAHHAHAHAHAH................go spend $275 on something that feels like a creeping trigger if you want to Ill hold on to something that is proven. I agree Browning triggers arent always "crisp" but mine will stay in the my Browning safe
 
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I, for one, would absolutely LOVE to hear why ANY Browning centerfire rifle is worth beans compared to other makes/models at the same or even lower prices......."It's not the accuracy of the BLR that will hold you back compared to a bolt, but the trigger......." That's funny. But the one about the BLR bein' a bolt gun with a lever is even funnier......I'm all ears....2MG



Later in another thread you mention a "remmy" if you are refering to the bolt actions......In my opinion if a company puts out "junk" like the 7400 and now the 750 woodsmaster..... why should there Walmart sold model 700's be any better........pay the money and get something thats gonna last. The gun I take to the woods every dear season is a 1970 BAR 30 06 that my dad handed down to me and I have never had a single jam or misfire with it. It has been threw off the top of trucks, run over, and sank in mud and probably something else I dont know about. and THATS WHY YOU SPEND EXTRA MONEY AND IS ALSO HOW IT "OUTRANKS" REMINGTON AND JUNKY [beeep] RUGERS.
 
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Just two cents worth,

I have 2 A-bolts (youv'e seen the picks) and with out a doubt the factory triggers on both are about the worst I have ever pulled. My 325 was worked on and is decent now and the 243.wssm is hopeless and thats a fact. They have both taken game and that is undisputable! But after passing my learning curve they seam less and less impressive. If the BLR has the same trigger group then I would consider something else. After shooting some Rems with Jewel and Timney triggers and especially after shooting Savage with the Accu-trigger I'll be hard pressed to consider another Browning.

Im not bashing them but Im now looking at another Savage to replace my sons A-bolt. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif

Dave



HAHAHHAHAHAHAH................go spend $275 on something that feels like a creeping trigger if you want to Ill hold on to something that is proven. I agree Browning triggers arent always "crisp" but mine will stay in the my Browning safe



Im not trying to be ugly.....but if are serious please send me a pic of your sons gun and I'm sure I can find you some one thatll take it off your hands and be more than glad to give you a old cheap bulky handled Savage. (COME ON MAN YOU CANT BE SERIOUS /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif)
 
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Funadore if you get real serious about it Private Message me and Ill give you all my pro and cons with the BLR, BAR, and A-bolts in my experience



Now that we have your opinions out of the way, please enlighten us about the pros and cons of the Browning rifles as you said you would.........
 
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Funadore if you get real serious about it Private Message me and Ill give you all my pro and cons with the BLR, BAR, and A-bolts in my experience



Now that we have your opinions out of the way, please enlighten us about the pros and cons of the Browning rifles as you said you would.........



ALOT more pros than cons.....I shoot them because the accuracy is rivaled by few if any in the price range and they are long lasting. My grandfather sold a BAR (1970 model with the lines and antelope on it) indential to the one my father gave me last year for $800. That more than he gave for it new. Now please tell me any other competitor that will bring that kind of money 35 + plus years old??? ............Only real cons I can think of are they are so pretty new its hard to get them out of the safe due to fear of dinging them up. Let it be said that you can chamber a cartiage a lot quicker with a lever action than a bolt action.....or at least thats true for me /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
That's it? Where's the "A LOT" more pros at? You shoot it cuz your grandpappy shot one? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
 
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It has been threw off the top of trucks, run over, and sank in mud and probably something else I dont know about. Quote:
Only real cons I can think of are they are so pretty new its hard to get them out of the safe due to fear of dinging them up.



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This is why I sometimes jump on people's azzes. But if you guys want to base your decisions on such "knowledge", so be it......
 
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This is why I sometimes jump on people's azzes. But if you guys want to base your decisions on such "knowledge", so be it......



I would love to hear what gun is it that you are so high on? Only think I've heard is a company that knows it has a real problem with their semi-auto's yet keeps on pushing them off the assembly line. What else other than out of the box accuracy and long time durablity can you ask for out of Browning?? Yes my grandfather and father both shot Brownings. But I'm old enough to make my own decision and buy my own guns now and I still chose them. Who did you get your buying junky guns habit from???? Your Wife a tight wad and forces you to shoot junk???? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
 
If I showed you my collection of junkie guns in person, I'd be laffin' at your expression. I admitted earlier that the BAR is superior to any semi-auto Remmy or Ruger rifle. The BAR was never my point of interest. What is it you feel makes the A-bolt and BLR good rifles? That is what this whole topic of conversation was about, right from the beginning...Still waiting for the pros and cons you said you would offer up....
 
Pretty is an opinion, okay, for my taste, (I know I'll be sorry I wrote this )
The only factory built gun any uglier than a Weatherby MkV, with the gloss, inlays, multi color finish, huge cheek piece, that I have ever seen is the Browning Gold Medallion.
Thing looks like a Disco-ball.

Other than that, I am staying out of this.
LOL
Carl
 
BHLBAMA,

If you scroll down on this page you can see a sampling of 2Much's "Junk" Guns;


http://www.predatormastersforums.com/ubb...age=40#52442329 /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif


Having an intelligent debate on preference towards a certain firearm is fine but, when you start talking trash about a guys spouce youve entered a new arena. There are lots of sites out there that dont seem to mind that Juvinille behavior but, I can assure you its not appreciated here.

As far as Browning is concerened maybe I should have made my self a little clearer. I do Not own a BLR or BAR and have not handled one. They may infact be the cats meow, I don't know. My two A-bolts are quite accurate but the triggers are awefull. Thats a fact! There are Many fine weapons out there made by other company's besides Browning and That's a fact. After shooting my new Savage I'll be buying more and you can take that to the bank!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Have a honest debate and leave the Trashtalk for the other sites cause we dont need it. And that's a Fact!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif

Dave
 
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I agree Carl, but the BLR's look even worse IMHO...........



Just a little ribbing..... after seeing all your rifles with the paint jobs (as nice as they are) you don't get to judge pretty. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Seriously, do the rotating multiple lugged bolts in the BLR and BAR equate to a bolt action or not? The BLR is operated by a lever and the BAR by recoil. This Newbie is way out on a limb so if I'm devastatingly off be nice.

If the BLR and BAR bolts are not like a "true" bolt, let me know exactly how, please.
 
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BHLBAMA,

If you scroll down on this page you can see a sampling of 2Much's "Junk" Guns;


http://www.predatormastersforums.com/ubb...age=40#52442329 /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif


Having an intelligent debate on preference towards a certain firearm is fine but, when you start talking trash about a guys spouce youve entered a new arena. There are lots of sites out there that dont seem to mind that Juvinille behavior but, I can assure you its not appreciated here.

As far as Browning is concerened maybe I should have made my self a little clearer. I do Not own a BLR or BAR and have not handled one. They may infact be the cats meow, I don't know. My two A-bolts are quite accurate but the triggers are awefull. Thats a fact! There are Many fine weapons out there made by other company's besides Browning and That's a fact. After shooting my new Savage I'll be buying more and you can take that to the bank!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Have a honest debate and leave the Trashtalk for the other sites cause we dont need it. And that's a Fact!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif

Dave



Everything I said was in good fun......No hard feelings here 2MUCHGUN......Grunter..... if you want to buy Savage rifles thats fine by me also maybe everyone will start shooting them and Browning will go down on the price (wait thatll never happen too many people with gun sense in the Southern states for that) /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
2MUCHGun........that Ruger No.1 is a bad boy.......what caliber is it in??? Thats always been one of nmy Favs
 
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The top one is a stock 243 with Moyers trigger.......

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This one here is a 22-250 with special order wood(hardest chunk of walnut I've seen), Kepplinger trigger, Douglas barrel. It will shoot 1/2" groups at 200yds when I'm up to it...........

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I cut the stock down a good inch and refit the factory red recoil pad. Did not want to go with extension rings, and wanted my oldest daughter to be able to shoot it. It don't bother me none, and most don't even notice until I tell them. It was a little scary runnin' that nice piece of walnut under the saw though......
 
I imagine the sawing was a little scary...........IT A REAL BEAUTY.......Its gonna be the next $1000 gun I invest in hopefully in the next 5 years. IS that factory wood??? Is the weight overpowering???
 
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I agree Carl, but the BLR's look even worse IMHO...........



Just a little ribbing..... after seeing all your rifles with the paint jobs (as nice as they are) you don't get to judge pretty. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Seriously, do the rotating multiple lugged bolts in the BLR and BAR equate to a bolt action or not? The BLR is operated by a lever and the BAR by recoil. This Newbie is way out on a limb so if I'm devastatingly off be nice.

If the BLR and BAR bolts are not like a "true" bolt, let me know exactly how, please.



I've found "multiple lugged" anything to be less accurate than 2-3 lugged anythings in general. The Weatherby MV vs. the Weatherby(Howa) Vanguard, for example. The BAR is a good design for what it is IMHO. I do not fancy semi-auto rifle for hunting one bit. Nor do I fancy any rifle that must be cleaned from the muzzle end (but happily make an exception for my pre-64 Winny lever guns). Also keep in mind the bedding. Nothing with a 2-piece stock can be bedded like a one piece stock. There are 5 main reasons I do not like the BLR:

1) I hate the look of it. The receiver is way to big and awkward lookin'. It has a glossy(shiney) stock, it has a gold trigger, which I deem about as attractive as a gold front tooth....I like the looks and lines of traditional leverguns, and own quite a few of them. The BLR will never make the cut

2) Horrible trigger

3) Their is a plastic, yes plastic, bushing inside of that the gears ride on when the action is cycled. I know of several people who have had problems with it. One guy, who loved the rifle, simply got rid of it because he got tired of replacing it. I also hear they are hard to get(?). There are Winchester, Marlins, and Savages out there that haven't had a part replaced in 75-100yrs and you don't ever hear of them failing for the most part, it is rare.

4)They mangle brass readily. The top cartridge is usually the victim

5) Made in Japan

How's this ugly paint job look?

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