OK Lets say your guns are banned!

Here are some interesting thoughts to ponder ...

First, would rather have the emotions put in writing on this thread about what someone would do, not do, what is right or wrong ... as compared ot having something happen in real life. It is fairly easy to say I'll do that, I won't do that, I couldn't do that. Funny thing, when things happen and it becomes live (not memorex) thoughts change quickly. Hopefully we will not have to face this in our lives.

Second, the talk about alcohol and driving and deaths. I believe that. In fact if you took alcohol and drugs - an all of the deaths due to these factors and removed those deaths from the CDS statistics, those stats would paint a very different stroy in my opinion. I believe gun related deaths would be a rather small number.

A for Obama - I think he is histroy, I hope many of those in Congress are getting a clear picture that people are no longer buying into Obama's vision and will change from here until the next election. At that point the balance will change a bit and more conservatives will get elected to balance out this one sided landscape. At this point only two years will reamin, the worst thing that will have happen is a huge deficit and debt, and Obama will have two years remaining as a lame duck and get voted out of office and Huckabee, Keys or someone else with some common sense will get elected and change our course. The debt will be bad enough but solid growth, addition of manufacturing into our nation, and so forth will eliminate that debt quickly.

As for getting rid of congress people ... I sure hope the great state of KS - specifically those in the KC metro area around Johnson County and KC KS will get rid of the one Democrat that represents them now - Moore. That would be a great first step.

KC
 
Let me ask this this is pretty much the same type of chit that went on with the clinton bunch am i wright or wrong. Honsley i cant rember all that well I was not much into this stuff back then. Was a lot younger then. Hellll im still a young pup only 30 but had a real hard 30 to get here now im really trying to listen and learn about as much as i can about pol.
 
I didn't start this for you guys to fight(were all in this together)Im pretty sure were all on the same side.

That being said,I did start it to make us think,heck i started it and when i read "Your Guns Are Banned"It hit a little more home to me that it could happen!

We need to do all we can now so it doesn't come to this.
 
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Guys we are a Nation of the rule of law, not the rule of men. Let us defend the rule of law first, and our selves next. Our founders got it right the first time. Let us concentrate on the constitution. They must change that before we get "western" about anything. Write your congressmen and let them know how you feel. We are not alone out here. Most of all VOTE!, and get anyone you know to do the same. Obama is not a dictator yet. The congress is changeable. Elections do have consequences, but they are not permanent.
 
Some of you guys can think whatever you want about me. I don't care.
What I do care about is that we have some domestic traitors in this country trying to destroy it.

As I said before: it's not about guns, it's about EVERYTHING. The destruction of the constitution itself is their goal. Gun confiscation would just be one step on this path.

Dave Allen, I'm not trying to pick a fight with YOU, I'm trying to get YOU to pick a fight with our enemies, at whatever level you can stomach. Doesn't have to include killing anyone. If you can't stomach doing anything, well, this country needs every swinging you-know-what to defend it. If you won't help, well...shame on you.

Hogghead, you have it backwards. Just because a party won the election doesn't mean the law and constitution is 'on their side'! WHOEVER WINS STILL HAS TO STAY ON THE SIDE OF THE LAW AND CONSTITUTION!!!! This is a country of laws, not of men! The meaning of that statement seems to have been forgotten, along with a bunch of other important things. Some of us here seem to need a refresher on the events of April 19th 1775.

And what of people who have sworn "to preserve, protect, and defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and bear true faith and allegiance to same", who allow themselves to be the agents of its destruction? What should we consider them and their actions to be? How about TREASON for starters? Should we just look the other way? SUCH PEOPLE NEED TO BE REMOVED. Even if it's your 'neighbor the cop'. If they are actively committing acts of treason against my country, they are NOT 'my fellow Americans'.

RePete....(shrug) whatever. I never swore an oath to defend the constitition against all enemies foreign and domestic. But, I will fight, kill, and die to defend it if necessary, just like a soldier would. Some of you guys who like to call others 'keyboard commandos' need to remember we have a whole bunch of fine folks in uniform who have sworn, and are doing, just that. Are you saying that anyone else besides them is incapable of that? If a Marine with combat experience posted 'macho' comments on this site, would we take him seriously? Probably. But not a civilian citizen? Horse manure!

And if the time comes when I should do my duty, but I don't, then I deserve to die a miserable coward's death. I won't be able to live with myself, that's for sure. So call me all the names you want, that's nothing compared to the choice I will have to face if worse comes to worst. I certainly hope it doesn't come down to bloodshed, because I don't expect to survive it. But I will not go gently down the socialist slave path, nor will I by my inaction allow my nation's constitution to be turned into manure while my actions might help prevent it.

I guess we all have to look deep into our soul on this one.
 
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Dave Allen, I'm not trying to pick a fight with YOU, I'm trying to get YOU to pick a fight with our enemies, at whatever level you can stomach. Doesn't have to include killing anyone. If you can't stomach doing anything, well, this country needs every swinging you-know-what to defend it. If you won't help, well...shame on you.

Colorado Pete..I'd suggest that you stop making suggestion's to me,When you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
I will do anything possible to defend the Constitution, my family, and my possesions in that order. I have several generations of heroes to live up to. I will fight, kill, and die if neccesary to keep my country free.
I would rather my family were dead than living in a country like Pol Pot's Cambodia, Stalin's Russia, or Mao's China.
Can you picture your kids in re-education camps?
I have defended myself from armed criminal assault before, I have no doubt or reservation I can do so again.
My family would have it no other way.
 
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I will do anything possible to defend the Constitution, my family, and my possesions in that order. I have several generations of heroes to live up to. I will fight, kill, and die if neccesary to keep my country free.



Great......... the local recruiting office is only a phone call away... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif
 
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RePete....(shrug) whatever.






"Whatever"??? That's the well thought out responce I'd expect from a 12 year old mall girl,,, instead of a rough and tough comando who's capable of taking out a SWAT team with his trusty 700... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
All i can say after reading this is wow!...there is alot of different thinking on this matter,,alot of it is misguided i think. Someone pointed it out ,and maybe some people need to research the reasoning behind "the right to KEEP and bear arms"..it wasnt to shoot burgalars or foriegn invaders....it WAS however set it place to uphold the constitution of the united states...I think that if the goverment wants you to give up your arms then...they better get ousted...........without that right,nothing will keep things in check.
 
I like muffins way of thinking....and about the armed officer or national gaurd that comes after what is mine,including my guns,my rights ,my freedom,my family....well all i can say is the punishment for treason is death(always has been)..............x
 
"the right to KEEP and bear arms"..it wasnt to shoot burgalars or foriegn invaders....it WAS however set it place to uphold the constitution of the united states...

Your right! But then again if you've read anything else I have posted on this you would know how I feel about my RIGHTS. I have the right to have them. To protect my family or to feed them. I have the right to free speech, I have the right to say IN GOD WE TRUST, I have the right to many things but to be told I can't have those rights plum pi$$es me off and if instead of goin off 90 to nothing over the matter I place stupid jokes but then again don't think I won't hide in those bushes with a silanced weapon.
I have done stated the truth until the time comes to when I have to really make the choice my mind tells me this is the way I see it. If I am to bow before anyone and give up my rights I will do that by pure choice only when the time comes I have to. I don't know if I will or not my soul says No. I see the point on giving up I do. But I see the faith the sets in the future by doing so I don't know that I can live with myself to give up. Let that future raise the younger one to come. Intelligence has been lost or misplaced, something but I refuse to just say ok teach the children to live that way.
 
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A few of you guys are attacking my comments. However I asked a direct question in my comments that no one has answered. And that is:

Are you willing to shoot a police officer who comes to your front door to confiscate your 30-06?? Because when you say "from my cold dead hands" that is what you are saying. Personally I am not willing to shoot an officer.

That is the main point of my argument. I am not rolling over and walking away. And I am actually willing to fight. However I am an old man and have nothing to loose.

I am only trying to make a point about the constitution. I definitely was not attacking it, or trying to circumvent it. The way it is being done by many today. Tom.



To answer your question no I am not willing to shoot a police officer over a 30-06. I don't own one. But you can bet your [beeep] if someone thinks they are going to take my 22-250,220 swift,25-06,7-30 waters,( dont want to list them all the goverment may be reading this) or any other of the rest of my guns there will be a fight. I am by no means the tougest guy around but everything becomes mean when backed into a corner. I know that officer may be under oath to uphold the law, but I am also under contract to protect myself and my family and keep our great nation free.(whats left of it)
 
I may not have any to give up /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif Gosh ok I somehow missed 2 whole pages of this forum. So when I replied it was way back.
Now I'm caught up I would like to say...oh crap you guys said it already! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
twice /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif
 
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If they start taking them away, and I highly doubt they will, I will fight. I hope others are fighting the same fight at the same time. Send the message that Americans will not tolerate treason and corruption. If no one else is fighting the good fight before myself, I hope I inspire them(YOU) to do so also.

All this nonsense would end in a huge hurry. Say 1 day of attempted illegal seizures. Hundreds if not thousands of innocent americans(those doing the taking, and those keeping) slaughtered over some ignorent politicians decision to take freedom from the people he represents. Illegal seizures would STOP IMMEDIATELY!

If my name is one that goes down in the history books, I hope it goes down as follows. "XXX was one of many proud Americans that fought to uphold the Constitution against domestic enemies." instead of being on one of the liberal news channels headlining, "Another gun nut taken down in raid, Obama's change is here, Rejoice!"

My $.02,
Adam
 
Gee, get busy for a weekend and see what ya miss!!!

Here is my take on the 2nd amendment so you all know where I'm coming from... The 2nd amendment was not created so I can protect myself from local criminals. It wasn't created to guarantee hunting privileges. It was created as a government check. What would you all think if the executive branch and the legislative branches got together and disbanded the Supreme Court? Or Supreme court and the pres disbanded congress? Or they all got together and removed a free (albeit lame) press. It's all the same. How many would fight for that.

That being said, I don't see a wholesale gun grab in my lifetime (next 40 years). I do believe it will happen and more than likely it will go peaceably. We are saddling our kids and grand kids with this problem and many others. Not real fair or smart is it? So if a fight to come is it better now or left to our kids? I keep having a nagging feeling that I use my kids as an excuse to not do anything "rash" but they may indeed be the reason I should.

One house vs. government resistance is a waste of time and life. It has to start on state level or in a mass movement with a core group with numbers in the thousands or millions. If we were all smart, all of us on the right would concentrate into 1-5 states. Any takers? This theory of mine doesn't just apply to guns but to all issues we one the right are faced with today. The federal government is a big rolling ball (started right after the War for Independence) that none of us has any power to stop. I don't think any peaceful methods will ever return this country to where it needs to be but know with all my heart that we must try. Think your vote will ever count again? Ya right, not in your dreams. You may have the right to vote but few have the power to pick the candidates.

I'm not a brave man. I wish I had the balls to pack up and move to Texas, or California, or etc, etc, etc. in an attempt to sway the states politics into something that would stand against the federal government. I'd like to think that if a mass uprising started I'd be there to lead a charge. It's easy for me to say that they can have my guns when they pry them from my cold dead fingers. But that's just words and I don't know if I could do any of those things. I hope I never have to find out.

Did I mention that they will go after ammo way before a gun grab? That's already starting.

The issue to fight is something that each individual has to make on their own. People who do it too soon are termed "wackos" and those that do it to late shall be sheep. I have no idea where my line in the sand is. Some days it's closer than others but it's still a long ways off. For better or worse....
 
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